We have less speed, health, stamina, no sidearm besides the class I use (huehuehue), and tons of other stuff I forgot to list. What the hell do you want from us!

go ahead, limit me to sidearms....


my primary is remote explosives anyways

This is coming from someone thats has a good chunk of his sp into logis;

The logis simply have to many slots. The high and low powered slots on suits do not necessarily add to the logistics role of the suits but rather allow them to be jack of all trades suits.

The problem with this is it can be a little too good at way too many roles, while it is supposed to be a logistics suit. I would not bat an eye if CCP decided to bump up the HP a little and remove 2-3 slots from my logi suit (just not equipment slots.)

I think people just don't like being killed by them.

I can somewhat understand, but they are gonna be able to kill you as long as they hold a weapon.

Maybe make it so dmg mods draw more CPU/PG From Logi suits since they weren't designed to be killing machines(just figuring out a in-game reason)

Or make the stacking penalty higher.

There's a much easier way to do this. Give it a damage nerf for everything, and then boost equipment power. Say that your diverting power from weapon power into the equipment, making them more efficient.

i'd agree with that in spirit. a 10 or 20 percent decrease in light weapon damage with a 50 or 80% increase in equipment efficacy.

BECAUSE FPS GAME MEANS YOU MUST SHOOT TEH PPLZ NOT SUPPORT!!

No seriously, people are just butthurt. Logi doesn't need a nerf, assaults need a slight buff is all.

I'm curious though as to how many Logi's use their slots for things other than armor plates and shield extenders. For example most of my fits actually use codebreakers.

What Biscuit said, Logi's seem to be in a fairly good place right now, us Scouts need some hugs though.
Heavies could do with some handshakes too.

Normalize hi and low slots between logi and salt.

The logi lose a small bit of hp, and sidearm for support capabilities.

Salts have less support capabilities, but a sidearm, and a small bump in HP over logis

You're crazy. There is no room for rational ideas in these forums.


Oh crap you really are crazy! Taking away the option for Assault Rifles is the worst nerf possible. No one deserves that kind of neutering.

We have less speed, health, stamina, no sidearm besides the class I use (huehuehue), and tons of other stuff I forgot to list. What the hell do you want from us!

We have less speed, health, stamina, no sidearm besides the class I use (huehuehue), and tons of other stuff I forgot to list. What the hell do you want from us!

I sometimes wonder if people think there is a finite amount of WP/SP to be given in each match and somehow if we go negative but still get 1500 WP we are stealing points from them. That's the most amusing QQ, WTF U DYED MOAR Y U GET POINTZ?

We have less speed, health, stamina, no sidearm besides the class I use (huehuehue), and tons of other stuff I forgot to list. What the hell do you want from us!

i'd agree with that in spirit. a 10 or 20 percent decrease in light weapon damage with a 50 or 80% increase in equipment efficacy.

Because your clothes are out of style!!! it's time for a new FOTM

I think all other classes needs to be buffed so that logi can't overlap their roles anymore.

Due the the fact most of you are idiots making stupid suggestions of nerfs, making the logistics class a bad class, I request for this thead to be locked.It needs the damage it has now, LOL at nerfing it. Just take away the bonuses they have now, and add equipment bonuses. Caldari gets a buff to injectors, Amarr... Stays the same... And mini stays the same. Gallente should get a buff to nanohives.

The only FOTM I'm seeing now is (SPOILER ALERT!) tank spamming and using the assault rifle which is currently overpowered.

It's all because of the completely OP callogi, I am an amarr logi, I armour tank.

I was in a match in proto gear, had 670 armour and 230 shield.

Got killed by a cal logi with 600 armour and 500 shields.....WTH is goin on?????

Because it upsets people that helping people is more valued than killing people

U brung a tear to my eye thank you for acknowledging us heavies now get over here you got a big bear hug coming your way.

I sometimes wonder if people think there is a finite amount of WP/SP to be given in each match and somehow if we go negative but still get 1500 WP we are stealing points from them. That's the most amusing QQ, WTF U DYED MOAR Y U GET POINTZ?

Actually you have more health due to having more power slots, and you have more versatility due to having more equipment slots.

Speed is debatable. A minmatar logi has more speed than an amarr assault.

It's probably placement on the Scoreboard. Some have claimed each person's WPs goes into determining percentages of the ISK payout.

My brake-even for deaths in a match is very dependent on placement since the cheapest heavy fit is 60k isk. Meanwhile the Minja and Medic seem to have no problem making good ISK regardless of placement, although they are cheaply fitted.

Some AR Slayers are running pricey fits. Bleeding isk (possibly KDR) while seeing someone above making what is thought to be pure profit can cause resentment if they feel the logi didn't pull their weight.

We have less speed, health, stamina, no sidearm besides the class I use (huehuehue), and tons of other stuff I forgot to list. What the hell do you want from us!

Because it upsets people that helping people is more valued than killing people

YOU IDIOTS!! Logi's NEED the xtra slots, for protection. Keep whinning about it, u wont have medics anymore. Im the BESTEST medic in dust. I will run through fire and raining bullets to save you. Only 10k kiills but got 3mill WP.

Because it upsets people that helping people is more valued than killing people

>Implying anyone actually uses those suits to help people

I mean, when I take mine out rezzing and repairing people, most of them seem shocked.

I don't care how much WP someone gets for being a logi.

I do care that they have enough slots to be as effective as most other specialties as people wearing suits designed for those other purposes.

Perhaps a CPU/PG reduction along with a reduction in CPU/PG use for modules on logi suits?

logistics suits are exactly what they should be in my opinions, more versatile suits...assaults are specialized.

all I really wish is that their was a 2 equipment suit option with a draw back, like maybe minmatar

If you have the AUR - 'Fossil'

It's all because of the completely OP callogi, I am an amarr logi, I armour tank.

I was in a match in proto gear, had 670 armour and 230 shield.

Got killed by a cal logi with 600 armour and 500 shields.....WTH is goin on?????

It isn't just the speed, it's the stamina. Assaults cover a lot more ground when running than a logi can. Try it sometime. Get into a logi suit, get an assault buddy next to you, and have a race to the other side of the map. You'll be huffing and puffing like a fat man in a marathon within about 20 seconds and your friend will be miles ahead of you. This actually does matter strategically and tactically. It lets you get to objectives faster, but it also lets you gtfo when you realize you're getting flanked and need cover. I can't tell you how many times my logi suit has died and would have lived if I'd had any stamina left.

Yeah you can compensate for it with biotics but then...dun dun duh....you're gimping your tank and are no longer beefier than the assault. People act as if the logi suit can do everything at once. It can't. It can be designed to do many things, but they always come with tradeoffs.

I was thinking 25% nerf, 50% buff would be balanced. But, nothing EWAR-based would apply to that.Only Scouts would get a bonus to EWAR stuff.

I can barely carry a nanohive or a good uplink along with my injector and rep tool and you want to reduce my CPU/PG?

Before I put my shield extenders and armor I died a lot!
I have a target on my back as it is being defenseless repping someone.

So tired of the logi OP debate.

I had someone say he didn't need a logi. Several games later he quietly asked for help because I wasn't repping him anymore. He quickly realized his kill count was high when I kept him alive.

It's all because of the completely OP callogi, I am an amarr logi, I armour tank.

I was in a match in proto gear, had 670 armour and 230 shield.

Got killed by a cal logi with 600 armour and 500 shields.....WTH is goin on?????

logistics suits are exactly what they should be in my opinions, more versatile suits...assaults are specialized.

all I really wish is that their was a 2 equipment suit option with a draw back, like maybe minmatar

Um... I am an Amarr Logi/Caldari Logi... there has been too many times when I could have survived, but oh herp a derp, I ran out of stamina, and the enemy killled me with a militia AR...

If logi's are supposed to be medics something is broken.

We never were supposed to be medics. Just a medium suit with more fitting options and extra equipment.

Ans nerfed stats, and no sidearm (besides mine im special).

YOU IDIOTS!! Logi's NEED the xtra slots, for protection. Keep whinning about it, u wont have medics anymore. Im the BESTEST medic in dust. I will run through fire and raining bullets to save you. Only 10k kiills but got 3mill WP.

BECAUSE FPS GAME MEANS YOU MUST SHOOT TEH PPLZ NOT SUPPORT!!

No seriously, people are just butthurt. Logi doesn't need a nerf, assaults need a slight buff is all.

I'm curious though as to how many Logi's use their slots for things other than armor plates and shield extenders. For example most of my fits actually use codebreakers.

I'm sure you will save me, but all the assault logis won't. Those guys run shields, plates, nanohives and Duvolles, nothing else.

That's the whole point of this thread. Logis need to be adjusted so that they longer compete with assaults on assaulting.

All they are are less effective Assaults with revive and nanohives.

All they are are less effective Assaults with revive and nanohives.

We never were supposed to be medics. Just a medium suit with more fitting options and extra equipment.

Because it upsets people that helping people is more valued than killing people

equipment WP is too dam high this is a fps dammit killing is #1 i love my logis but when i go 14/4 and they do 1/3 and top the board it itches my ass

You did notice I said reduce CPU/PG costs for modules right? This would make it hard to go crazy on weapons but not reduce the ability to carry lots of modules.

Won't happen... but it would be a way to focus on modules.

- Importantly, if we win big or I'm on a weak team that gets protostomped, I get far less WP b/c my services are not as helpful. My equipment either gets destroyed because we get redlined, or unused b/c the other team is redlined and nobody on my team needs to respawn or get repped. There's only so many WP to be had from just ammo. I might get more kills but do worse overall. If you ask me, that's the best definition of value on the battlefield: The more competitive the battle, the better I do. Easy mode would be if I got a lot of WP no matter what the outcome.

Still frustrated at logi gripe posts.

5 pages and not a single math is given. What makes it worse is CCP is listening to these BS complaints.
I don't have the topic readily available right now since I'm on mobile, but someone did the math and even with the most outlandish dual tanked brick builds, the difference in EHP between a logi and their assault counterpart was 60~80 HP.

So if they buffed the assault's base HP by that difference, would you guys finally STFU about logistics suits being better assaults?

OKOK you people are driving me crazy:

GÖª They are called Logis. NOT Medics. This comes from Logistics :'' Logistics is the discipline of planning and carrying out the movement and maintenance of military forces''.
GÖª Logis are Assaults v.2, BUT they are NOT better, just different. The fact they seem stronger is because this build benefits HP tanking NOT speed. In Chromosome, you could tank a Logi and it would be a joke compared to Scouts and assaults.
GÖª Logis have more customization, usually more HP and Armor rep as bonus. Also have 3 equipment slots and more CPU/PG. Assaults have greater Stamina, SPeed , pack a side arm and have less profile and better radar functions.Thir bonus promotes Shield regen rate that works well for all but the Gallante. This is COMPENSATED by the fact hte Gallante logi makes the most of the Logi bonus.
GÖª The overall price of running a full fitted Logi,is a lot more than an assault. More module slots & Equipment = More Customization = More ISK investment.

A Logi has the CHOICE to be full support, full killer, or -+ and -+.
The assault must be asault.

That is the main difference.

HAHA nice try bro. He can't. He can Carry a N.Injector but that does not makes him a medic.

You need Repair + N.Injector to earn the right to be called Medic.
Plus no assault is going to use a N.injector instead of an active sanner/nanohive.... Unless they are mad. XD