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Rusty Shallows Black Jackals 418	Posted - 2013.10.05 01:45:00 - [31] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Normalize hi and low slots between logi and salt. You're crazy. There is no room for rational ideas in these forums. Meeko Fent wrote: The logi lose a small bit of hp, and sidearm for support capabilities. Salts have less support capabilities, but a sidearm, and a small bump in HP over logis Oh crap you really are crazy! Taking away the option for Assault Rifles is the worst nerf possible. No one deserves that kind of neutering.
Everything Dies Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 133	Posted - 2013.10.05 02:23:00 - [32] - Quote I don't know if they need to be nerfed...but CCP needs to fix the nanohive/uplink spamming. It's ridiculous that items that are supposedly limited as to how many you can have out at one time can easily be worked around by putting down different types. If you can only put down one nanohive (for example) then that's it--not one of each tier!
Meeko Fent DUST University Ivy League 1064	Posted - 2013.10.05 02:27:00 - [33] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: Normalize hi and low slots between logi and salt. You're crazy. There is no room for rational ideas in these forums. Meeko Fent wrote: The logi lose a small bit of hp, and sidearm for support capabilities. Salts have less support capabilities, but a sidearm, and a small bump in HP over logis Oh crap you really are crazy! Taking away the option for Assault Rifles is the worst nerf possible. No one deserves that kind of neutering. No, I mean they lose a sidearm. They keep the Light slot, and they lose a sidearm to make up for the bonus equipment.
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1726	Posted - 2013.10.05 03:36:00 - [34] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: We have less speed, health, stamina, no sidearm besides the class I use (huehuehue), and tons of other stuff I forgot to list. What the hell do you want from us! Actually you have more health due to having more power slots, and you have more versatility due to having more equipment slots. Speed is debatable. A minmatar logi has more speed than an amarr assault.
XxWarlordxX97 Ancient Exiles 4669	Posted - 2013.10.05 03:38:00 - [35] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: We have less speed, health, stamina, no sidearm besides the class I use (huehuehue), and tons of other stuff I forgot to list. What the hell do you want from us! Because I just got in to it
Fist Groinpunch Goonfeet Top Men. 117	Posted - 2013.10.05 03:43:00 - [36] - Quote Looking forward to Logis getting their repper bonus changed to a Logi specific one. That will make them use up a low slot on an armor repper, making them just a bit more unsuited for the Logi Assault thing.
Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 298	Posted - 2013.10.05 03:43:00 - [37] - Quote Due the the fact most of you are idiots making stupid suggestions of nerfs, making the logistics class a bad class, I request for this thead to be locked.It needs the damage it has now, LOL at nerfing it. Just take away the bonuses they have now, and add equipment bonuses. Caldari gets a buff to injectors, Amarr... Stays the same... And mini stays the same. Gallente should get a buff to nanohives.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 154	Posted - 2013.10.05 04:03:00 - [38] - Quote I sometimes wonder if people think there is a finite amount of WP/SP to be given in each match and somehow if we go negative but still get 1500 WP we are stealing points from them. That's the most amusing QQ, WTF U DYED MOAR Y U GET POINTZ?
Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 300	Posted - 2013.10.05 04:12:00 - [39] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: I sometimes wonder if people think there is a finite amount of WP/SP to be given in each match and somehow if we go negative but still get 1500 WP we are stealing points from them. That's the most amusing QQ, WTF U DYED MOAR Y U GET POINTZ? Personally I only kill when necessary, or when I'm feeling like a beast. But usually I'm repping and reviving. I mostly go at least 500-1500 depending on how much the game has progresses (I have been getting in 5 minute matches a lot lately...).
Bethhy Ancient Exiles 165	Posted - 2013.10.05 04:13:00 - [40] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: We have less speed, health, stamina, no sidearm besides the class I use (huehuehue), and tons of other stuff I forgot to list. What the hell do you want from us! Because your clothes are out of style!!! it's time for a new FOTM

Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1070	Posted - 2013.10.05 04:15:00 - [41] - Quote low genius wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: I think people just don't like being killed by them. I can somewhat understand, but they are gonna be able to kill you as long as they hold a weapon. Maybe make it so dmg mods draw more CPU/PG From Logi suits since they weren't designed to be killing machines(just figuring out a in-game reason) Or make the stacking penalty higher. There's a much easier way to do this. Give it a damage nerf for everything, and then boost equipment power. Say that your diverting power from weapon power into the equipment, making them more efficient. i'd agree with that in spirit. a 10 or 20 percent decrease in light weapon damage with a 50 or 80% increase in equipment efficacy. I was thinking 25% nerf, 50% buff would be balanced. But, nothing EWAR-based would apply to that.Only Scouts would get a bonus to EWAR stuff.
Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 300	Posted - 2013.10.05 04:17:00 - [42] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: We have less speed, health, stamina, no sidearm besides the class I use (huehuehue), and tons of other stuff I forgot to list. What the hell do you want from us! Because your clothes are out of style!!! it's time for a new FOTM The only FOTM I'm seeing now is (SPOILER ALERT!) tank spamming and using the assault rifle which is currently overpowered.
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1070	Posted - 2013.10.05 04:18:00 - [43] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I think all other classes needs to be buffed so that logi can't overlap their roles anymore. All other classes (assault just a tiny one) need some form of a buff. Scouts and Commando's especially. But I do still think even with that, Logi's would still need the damage reduction and buff to non- EWAR equipment.
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1070	Posted - 2013.10.05 04:19:00 - [44] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Due the the fact most of you are idiots making stupid suggestions of nerfs, making the logistics class a bad class, I request for this thead to be locked.It needs the damage it has now, LOL at nerfing it. Just take away the bonuses they have now, and add equipment bonuses. Caldari gets a buff to injectors, Amarr... Stays the same... And mini stays the same. Gallente should get a buff to nanohives. Logi's support, and has a weapon for emergencies, so no.
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1070	Posted - 2013.10.05 04:20:00 - [45] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Bethhy wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: We have less speed, health, stamina, no sidearm besides the class I use (huehuehue), and tons of other stuff I forgot to list. What the hell do you want from us! Because your clothes are out of style!!! it's time for a new FOTM The only FOTM I'm seeing now is (SPOILER ALERT!) tank spamming and using the assault rifle which is currently overpowered. HAV's suck, and I don't see that happening ever, so wtf are you talking about?
Cosgar ParagonX 5644	Posted - 2013.10.05 06:31:00 - [46] - Quote And again, all I see is stupid ass nerf suggestions with 0 prof that logistics suits need a nerf. I guess I'll spec into assault since th tstue only way to play the ****ing game.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 402	Posted - 2013.10.05 07:34:00 - [47] - Quote Logis are fine as is, its eaisier to kill them than it is to kill a assult, weve had enough nerfs.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 402	Posted - 2013.10.05 07:35:00 - [48] - Quote Logis are fine as is, its eaisier to kill them than it is to kill a assult, weve had enough nerfs.
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core Gallente Federation 294	Posted - 2013.10.05 07:58:00 - [49] - Quote i hope CCP doesnt nefing logis to the point where you need proto to do anything supportive.
Broonfondle Majikthies Bannana Boat Corp 288	Posted - 2013.10.05 08:25:00 - [50] - Quote We run around as big yellow squishy targets. Our actions make us noticed by the enemy. Our actions often help everyone on the field regardless of squad / just by keeping clone counts up.. and you want to weaken us? Everything we do can be done by the other classes as well, that's the point of a game like this - Play to your style. My alt Majik is an assault but because my corp is so used to my main he also provide support (admittedly a little less flexibly, in the absence of a local supply depot) but he does, and reaps the rewards. Its not that hard and doesn't necessarily need extra SP to do. A militia uplink in a good spot is just as good in the right situation.

meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 529	Posted - 2013.10.05 08:41:00 - [51] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: It's all because of the completely OP callogi, I am an amarr logi, I armour tank. I was in a match in proto gear, had 670 armour and 230 shield. Got killed by a cal logi with 600 armour and 500 shields.....WTH is goin on????? Yeah man, I'm gallente logi from the bottom of my heard. I have 170 Shield and 533 Armor on my expensive suit and I got killed by a Militia grenade. - I use advance gear, suit , slots and weapons. And a militia grenade is one hitting me. - I am slow as hell. - SMGs killing me fast and furious, as armor tank I'm to slow to avoid the fast tracking and armor takes more DMG from SMGs. - I have to skill a crapton of stuff, other then my assault colleges who can specialize on dmg or tank, I need to skill the needle, armor repair, nanohieve, drop uplink, a little scan. - Yeah and try to fit this **, I need to skill all PG/CPU skill i can, even the weapon skills so I can have a better armor plate. - I have no sidearm, while reloading, other cheep-kill me, using noobtube or the SMG. Poring 10mil SP in to a logistics gets you as god as no where, remember that you need to use a weapon, shield and/or armor and so on... YEAAAAAH, I totally see why we need to be nerved. Coleman Gray wrote:** Because it upsets people that helping people is more valued than killing people Yes man, for-fck-sake! If you nerf us, stop **** crying if there is no more help on the battlefield! I swear to god, the one who is crying about logis must be some frustrated kid or some thing.
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 336	Posted - 2013.10.05 08:50:00 - [52] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: Spademan wrote: What Biscuit said, Logi's seem to be in a fairly good place right now, us Scouts need some hugs though. Heavies could do with some handshakes too. U brung a tear to my eye thank you for acknowledging us heavies now get over here you got a big bear hug coming your way. Just be gentle, us scouts are wafer thin.
Rusty Shallows Black Jackals 419	Posted - 2013.10.05 09:31:00 - [53] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: I sometimes wonder if people think there is a finite amount of WP/SP to be given in each match and somehow if we go negative but still get 1500 WP we are stealing points from them. That's the most amusing QQ, WTF U DYED MOAR Y U GET POINTZ? It's probably placement on the Scoreboard. Some have claimed each person's WPs goes into determining percentages of the ISK payout. My brake-even for deaths in a match is very dependent on placement since the cheapest heavy fit is 60k isk. Meanwhile the Minja and Medic seem to have no problem making good ISK regardless of placement, although they are cheaply fitted. Some AR Slayers are running pricey fits. Bleeding isk (possibly KDR) while seeing someone above making what is thought to be pure profit can cause resentment if they feel the logi didn't pull their weight.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 623	Posted - 2013.10.05 10:09:00 - [54] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: We have less speed, health, stamina, no sidearm besides the class I use (huehuehue), and tons of other stuff I forgot to list. What the hell do you want from us! Actually you have more health due to having more power slots, and you have more versatility due to having more equipment slots. Speed is debatable. A minmatar logi has more speed than an amarr assault. this was already busted plenty of times. full fitted suits with max sp are about equal in tank, the difference is negligible ~1 extra bullet to kill, only the minmatar is slightly behind due to PG/CPU limits but has higher speed. also comparing amarr to minmatar speed is quite dumb and missing the point. speed is the minmatar domain, durability amarr. have you seen the amarr stamina? put on a stam mod and you can sprint 40+ seconds and bunny hop for ages.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 157	Posted - 2013.10.05 12:05:00 - [55] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: I sometimes wonder if people think there is a finite amount of WP/SP to be given in each match and somehow if we go negative but still get 1500 WP we are stealing points from them. That's the most amusing QQ, WTF U DYED MOAR Y U GET POINTZ? It's probably placement on the Scoreboard. Some have claimed each person's WPs goes into determining percentages of the ISK payout. My brake-even for deaths in a match is very dependent on placement since the cheapest heavy fit is 60k isk. Meanwhile the Minja and Medic seem to have no problem making good ISK regardless of placement, although they are cheaply fitted. Some AR Slayers are running pricey fits. Bleeding isk (possibly KDR) while seeing someone above making what is thought to be pure profit can cause resentment if they feel the logi didn't pull their weight. I guess but the obvious counter argument is that if I went negative, are you sure it's profit? Logi crap ain't cheap, especially since there's no really good reason to run anything higher than a GEK at the moment, I doubt most well thought out slayer fits are that expensive, it's always been the cost of the duvolles driving assault fit cost previously.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 1554	Posted - 2013.10.05 12:12:00 - [56] - Quote I don't care how much WP someone gets for being a logi. I do care that they have enough slots to be as effective as most other specialties as people wearing suits designed for those other purposes. Perhaps a CPU/PG reduction along with a reduction in CPU/PG use for modules on logi suits?
Dust Junky 4Life Intara Direct Action Caldari State 24	Posted - 2013.10.05 13:00:00 - [57] - Quote YOU IDIOTS!! Logi's NEED the xtra slots, for protection. Keep whinning about it, u wont have medics anymore. Im the BESTEST medic in dust. I will run through fire and raining bullets to save you. Only 10k kiills but got 3mill WP.
Smooth Assassin Stardust incorporation 211	Posted - 2013.10.05 13:38:00 - [58] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: We have less speed, health, stamina, no sidearm besides the class I use (huehuehue), and tons of other stuff I forgot to list. What the hell do you want from us! The logistic class is different from the assault, it has more equipments which is useful in every way, more slots for modules which makes them impossible to kill and all that slots to stack damage modules. As soon as i see one i cower back behide a wall and notice my armor is down to 0.
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 3690	Posted - 2013.10.05 14:25:00 - [59] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: Because it upsets people that helping people is more valued than killing people >Implying anyone actually uses those suits to help people I mean, when I take mine out rezzing and repairing people, most of them seem shocked.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 1558	Posted - 2013.10.05 14:27:00 - [60] - Quote Dust Junky 4Life wrote: YOU IDIOTS!! Logi's NEED the xtra slots, for protection. Keep whinning about it, u wont have medics anymore. Im the BESTEST medic in dust. I will run through fire and raining bullets to save you. Only 10k kiills but got 3mill WP. If logi's are supposed to be medics something is broken.



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