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Dalmont Legrand Nemesis Ad Astra RUST415 47	Posted - 2013.10.05 14:36:00 - [61] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: Because it upsets people that helping people is more valued than killing people Only stupid narrow minded can say that as I get more kills having logi by side than on stand alone. SO WE BOTH GET TONS OF EVERYTHING. JUST SOME IDIOTS CAN'T CO-EXIST WITH LOGI. Sorry for Caps.
Fiddler Galaine Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 24	Posted - 2013.10.05 14:36:00 - [62] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Coleman Gray wrote: Because it upsets people that helping people is more valued than killing people >Implying anyone actually uses those suits to help people I mean, when I take mine out rezzing and repairing people, most of them seem shocked. It'd help if we could actually see allied health bars. Also, people are too afraid of being revived and re-killed instantly without a choice so there's almost never a chance to needle anyone.
MoonEagle A ShootBreakStab 39	Posted - 2013.10.05 14:41:00 - [63] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: I don't care how much WP someone gets for being a logi. I do care that they have enough slots to be as effective as most other specialties as people wearing suits designed for those other purposes. Perhaps a CPU/PG reduction along with a reduction in CPU/PG use for modules on logi suits? I can barely carry a nanohive or a good uplink along with my injector and rep tool and you want to reduce my CPU/PG? Before I put my shield extenders and armor I died a lot! I have a target on my back as it is being defenseless repping someone. So tired of the logi OP debate. I had someone say he didn't need a logi. Several games later he quietly asked for help because I wasn't repping him anymore. He quickly realized his kill count was high when I kept him alive.
Mregomies The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 50	Posted - 2013.10.05 15:45:00 - [64] - Quote I love logigame. Almost zero kills but still i'm #1 in scoreboard with my wp. Why, you may ask. I s u p p o r t my squad/team. My fit cost >160k ISK so i need my h/l slots.
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1067	Posted - 2013.10.05 15:51:00 - [65] - Quote logistics suits are exactly what they should be in my opinions, more versatile suits...assaults are specialized. all I really wish is that their was a 2 equipment suit option with a draw back, like maybe minmatar
Broonfondle Majikthies Bannana Boat Corp 291	Posted - 2013.10.05 16:19:00 - [66] - Quote calisk galern wrote: logistics suits are exactly what they should be in my opinions, more versatile suits...assaults are specialized. all I really wish is that their was a 2 equipment suit option with a draw back, like maybe minmatar If you have the AUR - 'Fossil'
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1067	Posted - 2013.10.05 16:21:00 - [67] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: calisk galern wrote: logistics suits are exactly what they should be in my opinions, more versatile suits...assaults are specialized. all I really wish is that their was a 2 equipment suit option with a draw back, like maybe minmatar If you have the AUR - 'Fossil' hmmm....
hackerzilla Defenders of the Helghast Dream 309	Posted - 2013.10.05 16:27:00 - [68] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: It's all because of the completely OP callogi, I am an amarr logi, I armour tank. I was in a match in proto gear, had 670 armour and 230 shield. Got killed by a cal logi with 600 armour and 500 shields.....WTH is goin on????? yeah they got HP but no sidearm, speed, equipment slots(PG/CPU restraints) good racial bonus etc.
Agent Monroe Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.10.05 16:58:00 - [69] - Quote This discussion again... Logistics classes are fine, stop whining. Just focus on improving the scout class, and releasing new balanced weapons.
Doc Noah Algintal Core Gallente Federation 623	Posted - 2013.10.05 19:05:00 - [70] - Quote They should have less base slots and increased base stats. This will lower their versatility while keeping a still relatively high eHP and lowering the cost to fit the suit. CPU and PG need to be decreased accordingly since they dont need that much with the suggested decrease in slots. Equipment needs to cost less CPU/PG and low/high slots need an increase in CPU/PG. Logi's main niche should be that it could fit multiple equipments while everyone else gets 1 or none. This will sway logis to use more advanced equipment while discouraging them to discard equipment in favor of pure complex tanking since that isnt sustainable and carrying a proto weapon would hurt their equipment or limited slots. Not sure about the built in armor repair, its way too useful for armor tankers and hybrid tankers. Old school medic can heal himself as well as others. CCP tried to reinvent healing and now they're left defenseless and with no ways of healing themselves without picking up a triage nanohive and healing in one place. I would suggest something like a "carry only" equipment where you hold it and it'll heal you if you press the trigger button. Deactivate it and it'll slowly replenish itself. Plenty of options CCP could have went with, instead, carrying a weapon on an assault is no different than carrying a weapon on a logi. Logi can tank better than assault and the speed advantage is barely noticeable. Logi can fit better weapons and more equipment. Not just 1 equipment advantage but 2-3.

Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1148	Posted - 2013.10.05 19:41:00 - [71] - Quote It isn't just the speed, it's the stamina. Assaults cover a lot more ground when running than a logi can. Try it sometime. Get into a logi suit, get an assault buddy next to you, and have a race to the other side of the map. You'll be huffing and puffing like a fat man in a marathon within about 20 seconds and your friend will be miles ahead of you. This actually does matter strategically and tactically. It lets you get to objectives faster, but it also lets you gtfo when you realize you're getting flanked and need cover. I can't tell you how many times my logi suit has died and would have lived if I'd had any stamina left. Yeah you can compensate for it with biotics but then...dun dun duh....you're gimping your tank and are no longer beefier than the assault. People act as if the logi suit can do everything at once. It can't. It can be designed to do many things, but they always come with tradeoffs.
Doc Noah Algintal Core Gallente Federation 623	Posted - 2013.10.05 20:07:00 - [72] - Quote Kristoff Atruin wrote: It isn't just the speed, it's the stamina. Assaults cover a lot more ground when running than a logi can. Try it sometime. Get into a logi suit, get an assault buddy next to you, and have a race to the other side of the map. You'll be huffing and puffing like a fat man in a marathon within about 20 seconds and your friend will be miles ahead of you. This actually does matter strategically and tactically. It lets you get to objectives faster, but it also lets you gtfo when you realize you're getting flanked and need cover. I can't tell you how many times my logi suit has died and would have lived if I'd had any stamina left. Yeah you can compensate for it with biotics but then...dun dun duh....you're gimping your tank and are no longer beefier than the assault. People act as if the logi suit can do everything at once. It can't. It can be designed to do many things, but they always come with tradeoffs. Feel free to ask a fellow assault logi, not a single one would say they needed a stamina mod. Not having a lot of stamina isnt such a problem since you're not running from objective to objective like you're a dun dun duh, scout. Speed tanking is only good if you fit several kin kats and the base speed difference is barely negligible unless you have them running side by side.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster 1104	Posted - 2013.10.05 20:20:00 - [73] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: low genius wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: I think people just don't like being killed by them. I can somewhat understand, but they are gonna be able to kill you as long as they hold a weapon. Maybe make it so dmg mods draw more CPU/PG From Logi suits since they weren't designed to be killing machines(just figuring out a in-game reason) Or make the stacking penalty higher. There's a much easier way to do this. Give it a damage nerf for everything, and then boost equipment power. Say that your diverting power from weapon power into the equipment, making them more efficient. i'd agree with that in spirit. a 10 or 20 percent decrease in light weapon damage with a 50 or 80% increase in equipment efficacy. I was thinking 25% nerf, 50% buff would be balanced. But, nothing EWAR-based would apply to that.Only Scouts would get a bonus to EWAR stuff. I can't see nerfing there base dmg, then you are forcing them to use dmg mods. I think a simple bonus to equipment usage and penalty to using dmg mods would discourage assault logis(maybe don't give the Amarr Logi a penalty since it's meant to be the middle ground)
Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1148	Posted - 2013.10.05 20:33:00 - [74] - Quote I see that you didn't understand my post. Or you don't know what speed tanking is. Speed tanking is running circles around an enemy so that they have a hard time hitting you. The stamina mod lets you keep up with the assault suits in your squad (you're using teamwork, right?) and lets you retreat just as fast when your position has been flanked. Being able to run for more than 30 feet kind of helps with that. If you don't think it seriously helps a logi you've clearly never tried it, or were doing it wrong when you did.
Hunter Junko Zanzibar Concept 180	Posted - 2013.10.05 22:00:00 - [75] - Quote I carry nanohives to keep your ammo supplies nice and fresh, ripe for the killing. I carry pick up sticks to prevent your loss of clones and ISK (mostly clones) The rep tool is my bread and butter, and a heavy's greatest miracle . I roll with shield recharge units, and armor repair units to keep me as battle-ready as i can be. taking large amounts of punishment for me to be able to do my job. many would laugh at me for the low health quality of my suit, but my ability as a logistics operator is invaluable for my squad. those who say otherwise should think twice about nerfing me, who else will willingly pick you up in the middle of a firefight and make sure your the first to get to safety? and still you want to nerf us?
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 1560	Posted - 2013.10.05 22:42:00 - [76] - Quote MoonEagle A wrote: I can barely carry a nanohive or a good uplink along with my injector and rep tool and you want to reduce my CPU/PG? Before I put my shield extenders and armor I died a lot! I have a target on my back as it is being defenseless repping someone. So tired of the logi OP debate. I had someone say he didn't need a logi. Several games later he quietly asked for help because I wasn't repping him anymore. He quickly realized his kill count was high when I kept him alive. You did notice I said reduce CPU/PG costs for modules right? This would make it hard to go crazy on weapons but not reduce the ability to carry lots of modules. Won't happen... but it would be a way to focus on modules.
KING CHECKMATE TEAM SATISFACTION 1580	Posted - 2013.10.05 22:47:00 - [77] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: It's all because of the completely OP callogi, I am an amarr logi, I armour tank. I was in a match in proto gear, had 670 armour and 230 shield. Got killed by a cal logi with 600 armour and 500 shields.....WTH is goin on????? I have a Cal Logi alt with Proto Cal Logi: I use : 4Cx Shield Ex 1 Cx Dam Mod 4 Enh armor plates. You figure WTH is going on...Cal logi is still KING of battle logis, being the master of Dual Tanking. (im NOT saying they are op, just the TRUE tankers of the Med Frames)
Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 310	Posted - 2013.10.05 23:06:00 - [78] - Quote calisk galern wrote: logistics suits are exactly what they should be in my opinions, more versatile suits...assaults are specialized. all I really wish is that their was a 2 equipment suit option with a draw back, like maybe minmatar They use to, then the nerf hammer spoke.
KING CHECKMATE TEAM SATISFACTION 1580	Posted - 2013.10.05 23:12:00 - [79] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Um... I am an Amarr Logi/Caldari Logi... there has been too many times when I could have survived, but oh herp a derp, I ran out of stamina, and the enemy killled me with a militia AR... True, thats why Logis have more slots, so you can fit an ENH cardiac reg. XD
Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 310	Posted - 2013.10.05 23:14:00 - [80] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: Um... I am an Amarr Logi/Caldari Logi... there has been too many times when I could have survived, but oh herp a derp, I ran out of stamina, and the enemy killled me with a militia AR... True, thats why Logis have more slots, so you can fit an ENH cardiac reg. XD Advanced Logi but I have proto caldari assault for when I'm angry.

SOGZ PANDA The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 18	Posted - 2013.10.05 23:21:00 - [81] - Quote Give back the extra equipment slot on assaults and you'll see a helleva lot more assaults around
Cosgar ParagonX 5653	Posted - 2013.10.05 23:26:00 - [82] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: Dust Junky 4Life wrote: YOU IDIOTS!! Logi's NEED the xtra slots, for protection. Keep whinning about it, u wont have medics anymore. Im the BESTEST medic in dust. I will run through fire and raining bullets to save you. Only 10k kiills but got 3mill WP. If logi's are supposed to be medics something is broken. We never were supposed to be medics. Just a medium suit with more fitting options and extra equipment.
Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 310	Posted - 2013.10.05 23:28:00 - [83] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Crash Monster wrote: Dust Junky 4Life wrote: YOU IDIOTS!! Logi's NEED the xtra slots, for protection. Keep whinning about it, u wont have medics anymore. Im the BESTEST medic in dust. I will run through fire and raining bullets to save you. Only 10k kiills but got 3mill WP. If logi's are supposed to be medics something is broken. We never were supposed to be medics. Just a medium suit with more fitting options and extra equipment. Ans nerfed stats, and no sidearm (besides mine im special).
Cosgar ParagonX 5653	Posted - 2013.10.05 23:43:00 - [84] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Cosgar wrote: Crash Monster wrote: Dust Junky 4Life wrote: YOU IDIOTS!! Logi's NEED the xtra slots, for protection. Keep whinning about it, u wont have medics anymore. Im the BESTEST medic in dust. I will run through fire and raining bullets to save you. Only 10k kiills but got 3mill WP. If logi's are supposed to be medics something is broken. We never were supposed to be medics. Just a medium suit with more fitting options and extra equipment. Ans nerfed stats, and no sidearm (besides mine im special). CCP seemed to overestimate the advantage of a logi with access to sidearms the first time around. Glad the Amarr finally got a buff. That's strange coming from me since I'm a Minamtar RPer.
Fist Groinpunch Goonfeet Top Men. 118	Posted - 2013.10.06 04:03:00 - [85] - Quote Dust Junky 4Life wrote: YOU IDIOTS!! Logi's NEED the xtra slots, for protection. Keep whinning about it, u wont have medics anymore. Im the BESTEST medic in dust. I will run through fire and raining bullets to save you. Only 10k kiills but got 3mill WP. I'm sure you will save me, but all the assault logis won't. Those guys run shields, plates, nanohives and Duvolles, nothing else. That's the whole point of this thread. Logis need to be adjusted so that they longer compete with assaults on assaulting.
IR Scifi Knights of Eternal Darkness 62	Posted - 2013.10.06 04:12:00 - [86] - Quote Jakar Umbra wrote: BECAUSE FPS GAME MEANS YOU MUST SHOOT TEH PPLZ NOT SUPPORT!! No seriously, people are just butthurt. Logi doesn't need a nerf, assaults need a slight buff is all. I'm curious though as to how many Logi's use their slots for things other than armor plates and shield extenders. For example most of my fits actually use codebreakers. Using a minmater suit over here, i'd feel naked without a codebreaker installed. Oterwise yes, it's boring plates and extenders, possibly a regulator if I'm running proto.
Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 314	Posted - 2013.10.06 04:23:00 - [87] - Quote Fist Groinpunch wrote: Dust Junky 4Life wrote: YOU IDIOTS!! Logi's NEED the xtra slots, for protection. Keep whinning about it, u wont have medics anymore. Im the BESTEST medic in dust. I will run through fire and raining bullets to save you. Only 10k kiills but got 3mill WP. I'm sure you will save me, but all the assault logis won't. Those guys run shields, plates, nanohives and Duvolles, nothing else. That's the whole point of this thread. Logis need to be adjusted so that they longer compete with assaults on assaulting. All they are are less effective Assaults with revive and nanohives.
KING CHECKMATE TEAM SATISFACTION 1595	Posted - 2013.10.06 04:37:00 - [88] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Fist Groinpunch wrote: Dust Junky 4Life wrote: YOU IDIOTS!! Logi's NEED the xtra slots, for protection. Keep whinning about it, u wont have medics anymore. Im the BESTEST medic in dust. I will run through fire and raining bullets to save you. Only 10k kiills but got 3mill WP. I'm sure you will save me, but all the assault logis won't. Those guys run shields, plates, nanohives and Duvolles, nothing else. That's the whole point of this thread. Logis need to be adjusted so that they longer compete with assaults on assaulting. All they are are less effective Assaults with revive and nanohives. ''less effective'' you forgot the '' sorry.
BLACKSTAR AND TSUBAKI SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 81	Posted - 2013.10.06 05:32:00 - [89] - Quote equipment WP is too dam high this is a fps dammit killing is #1 i love my logis but when i go 14/4 and they do 1/3 and top the board it itches my ass
Fist Groinpunch Goonfeet Top Men. 118	Posted - 2013.10.06 05:38:00 - [90] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Fist Groinpunch wrote: Dust Junky 4Life wrote: YOU IDIOTS!! Logi's NEED the xtra slots, for protection. Keep whinning about it, u wont have medics anymore. Im the BESTEST medic in dust. I will run through fire and raining bullets to save you. Only 10k kiills but got 3mill WP. I'm sure you will save me, but all the assault logis won't. Those guys run shields, plates, nanohives and Duvolles, nothing else. That's the whole point of this thread. Logis need to be adjusted so that they longer compete with assaults on assaulting. All they are are less effective Assaults with revive and nanohives. I wouldn't call a Caldari logi sporting 4x complex shields, a complex damage mod, 4x enhanced plates, a Duvolle AR, and a built in +5 armor HP regen less effective. That is definitely a competitive fit.



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