How about making the Amarr light AV be lock on arc type weapon. Like swarms it would only be usable against vehicles/structures and would follow to a certain extent. Once you've got lock on, the electricity arc begins and damage builds over time, similarly to the laser rifle. Lock and damage continues for 2 or 3 seconds if you lose aim slightly but if the target goes completely out of view (i.e. behind cover or if you turn around or something).

I'd just hate to see more weapons like forge guns and plasma cannons that are intended primarily as AV but totally OP when used as AI.

So where do you figure the forge fits in. It is still AV and seems to be light AV because it can be held in a merc's hand. A flack cannon seems like a Heavy vehicle or Heavy suit H slot weapon to me, more ideal for anti personal and anti DS and not specific to either.

I would rather have the Minmatar light AV weapon be a cannon held low (like a heavy weapon), that fires explosive rounds at a low ROF.

I dunno, I like KAGEHOSHI's handheld artillery idea, but a crossbow would be hilarious.

plasma cannon is not av...its anti infantry..


if it was av it could kill vehicles with ease which it can not..


it can kill a turret installation in a few shots buts thats all it can do... its designed to ohk ppl with direct hits...

I'd prefer to be using "SUPERIOR AMARR TECHNOLOGY" when I do AV attacks, though I can't claim to have played much with the state of the Commando suit as-is. As a secondary issue, with the no-respecs position... every current player that's cared about AV will have a large amount of SP sunk into Swarms presumably. I may have preferred to go all-Amarr, but it won't be really sensible to ignore the 2 mill+ SP I spent in Swarms.

It may be crappy, but they seem to believe it's AV.

I realy like the ideas in this post. The Anti Material Rifle is a great idea for a Minmatar light AV choice. However the Cannon mentioned in other posts I think is better suited as a heavy weapon.

It should be semi auto I think with a really slow rate of fire or a really powerful single shot cannon requiring the player to load a new shell after every firing.

Been reading up on Eve/Dust fiction lately and came upon this little gem that reminded me about this forum thread.

About halfway through (third paragraph after the * * *) a big ol' Brutor soldier brings out a 'Force Launcher' that takes a big chunk out of a wall. It appears to be wielded by a minmatar heavy but it's shoulder mounted, so may possibly be a heavy or light weapon. The way it works seems to be that it fires a 'force field' that blasts everything in its path, so kinetic energy?

My suggestion is that the force launcher in the game would be a short range high damage weapon. Say 30m optimum 50m effective and 1000hp damage with 110% to armor and 85% to shield. I'd give it a suitable charge up time of maybe 1 second and similar ammo counts as swarm launchers.

The intention would be for it to be used as a vehicle ambush weapon (something entirely non-existent currently). It could also be used as an anti-infantry weapon but would be an utter waste of the small number of rounds it carries. Perhaps anti-infantry abuse could be reduced by giving the weapon the effective fire-pattern of a giant shotgun - i.e. the 'force field' spreads out like invisible pellets, say 10, with each doing 100hp damage. Vehicles are large enough that they would likely take the full blast but infantry would likely only catch a small number. An added effect of this would be that it could also be used as effective crowd control, keeping large groups of enemies pushed back but not necessarily killing any of them.

Variants of the force launcher could include: longer range, tighter spread (tactical); shorter range, wider spread, higher damage (breach); quicker charge time, lower damage (assault). I can't imagine an appropriate burst variant, so will leave that out for now.

I'm all for ANY sorts of new weapons, though it's not immediately clear to me that it would fill the AV damage type gap (projectile).

I'm still unsure if the Force Launcher is a kinetic or energy based weapon but either is a viable AV weapon type - not everything is explosive, projectile or laser; e.g. flux grenades.

I think the light weapons aren't classified as AV but "Launchers" in which case you have SL, PC, MD, and [Amarr pending].

Still, I'm curious to see what Amarr is gonna get.

Tanks are OP? Sure would be nice if we had more AV options...

3 words:

Portable Tachyon Cannon.

Consider this.

Supose we give minmatar the -20%/+20% that swarms have, and make caldari -10%/+10% profile for swarm launchers? Traditionally, Caldari are about kinetic damage, so the swarm launcher could be more about penetrating shields and armor rather than blowing it apart.

Now for Minmatar, have their AV be a bazooka type weapon with the -20%/+20% profile, with one shot, then a reload, but no charge up time like the plasma cannon.

Amarr AV you described perfectly. No change I would make.

Logibro posted that Swarm, Plasma Cannon, and MD are all listed as "Launcher", but that it doesn't preclude an actual Minmatar AV weapon... but doesn't mean they're make one either. The fact the Amarr don't have an AV weapon OR a launcher implies that they will make something like that?

So, a possible late edit to this could suggest... "Where's the Amarr Launcher" though that seems overly simplistic, and clashes with what our original vision of Amarr AV would be.

I suppose some sort of Khanid Heavy Assault Missile or Rocket Launcher is technically within the scope of Amarr?

We already have five AV weapons.
Three are Caldari - Swarmer, AV grenade and FG
One is Gallente - PLC
One is Minmatar - REs

Each has different strengths and weaknesses. AV grenades have low range and fill the grenade slot. FGs require a heavy frame and have a large charge time. PLCs are hard to aim. Swarmers aim themselves and have huge knockback, but not much firepower. REs kill absolutely anything, but their effective use requires either about six seconds of melee range or suicide.
Sure, AV in general is underpowered, but we already have a nice selection. I'd prefer if the fourth launcher was not an AV weapon, considering that two already are.

So, in your world, the Amarr just never bothered making an AV weapon? These were supposed to be entirely separate civilizations at one point. It defies reason that a culture wouldn't bother with ANY AV weapons. The Amarr find an opponent with vehicles? Darn... send the infantry home.

Racial parity is an end unto itself not just for balance reasons, but for logical ones.

I never said that Amarr shouldn't have an AV weapon.
Only that the quantity of AV equipment is already plentiful.

I totally expect an AV weapon for Amarr. Or a weapon that has AV as secondary effect, similar to how the PLC has anti-infantry as its side-role.

Edit:
Vehicles have weak points. (Your modifier changes when you aim at them)
What if Amarr had a weapon that was mainly anti-infantry, but gained a huge modifier for attacking those weak points?
It's totally in line of the "hard to handle but hideously strong" design philosophy of weapons like the Scrambler Rifle.
So what if the Laser Rifle gained that role?

ccp cant even balance out 1 vehicle with 2 available weapons... can you imagine the chaos???