give us extra points for killing someone after dying three times in a row?

Thats a great idea!

It's like CoD! Everyone loves CoD.......right?

.............right?

love it, great idea.

a res is 60 points, a headshot makes sure that can't happen. seems like a fair trade.

Marlin Kirby from KILL-EM-QUICK suggested it folks

" You going to give us extra points for killing someone after dying three times in a row?" directed at CCP

I'd rather we get extra points for terminating a clone on a kill streak... if they killed five in a row get extra points for putting them out of action.

a res is 60 points, a headshot makes sure that can't happen. seems like a fair trade.

Marlin Kirby from KILL-EM-QUICK suggested it folks

" You going to give us extra points for killing someone after dying three times in a row?" directed at CCP

I like this idea. Your just mad because maybe you don't know how to aim?

I'd rather we get extra points for terminating a clone on a kill streak... if they killed five in a row get extra points for putting them out of action.

Tbh, the +60 WP might be a small nod to CoD, but it's a harmless one, so far as i can tell.

love it, great idea.

That's exactly what I'm getting at. I don't want this kind of garbage.^

If politics ever taught me anything, it's that small changes leads to big ones.

Uh oh guys, an extra 10 WP's is going to make OB's spammable. Hurry and send death threats to everyone you know!

you never know, it might be
50+ kill 60+ head shot (for 110) but hey i don't think so but it could be.

Thats a great idea!

I dont think u will get 110 for a headshot kill... that would be dumb.

Rewarding someone beyond them getting passed adversity for themself's.... is a spoiled ass backward's way to give points... And very unlike the EVE universe....

Don't reward people who don't deserve it.... reward them for what they do... You can't tailor a game around making a noob "feel" better.

i wouldn't put it past CCP not to try something like it. but i do think it is highly unlikely but it is CCP...
finally getting counter hacking points.

Sorry but even my 10 year old cousin wouldn't make that mistake.

Except that precisely aligns rewards with actions that help the team... some guy is owning your team and you are the one who takes the pressure off your team.

What are the points for otherwise... we could just use integer counters tracking kills.

Throwing in things that you can't control yourself, based on how much of a contribution you make, is a way to encourage people to keep trying when things get tough.

Uh oh guys, an extra 10 WP's is going to make OB's spammable. Hurry and send death threats to everyone you know!

50+ kill 60+ head shot (for 110) but hey i don't think so but it could be.

That sounds very wise. Now all you need to get my attention is a plausible model built up from eveidence and causation. Otherwise i vote for actually running the experiment in the field as opposed to the armchair...

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wow... neither the group or the leader? how about some *** ?
hm... no triple k either.
what about taliban ?
sweet that one works. gay pride parade?

CCP your censor is on the gay pride parade. stop it!

Let's see you find all the censors!

you better, or else i'll go and play bf4 or something

i don't give a fucks about the crack head ***** censors they shouldn't censor names or groups.
Stalin?

The bottom line is that 1337 red-dot I killed is only going to come back anyway.

To be honest, I like to do away with the WP system to where it gives airstrikes, after all, it the only thing it does right now. I prefer it if they made it a cooldown, like they did in MAG or how they demonstrated back in the Dust keynote back at 2012's Fanfest.

Please, the moment we started catering to CoD and bf3 fanatic's is the moment this game started its downward climb to crap.

You are thinking too small. The l337 red dot will often have lost his pub-stomping proto suit and is likely to come back with a cheaper fit after losing an expensive fit. If so, that's definitely worth the points.

Also, the WP's determine your rank at the end of the match which determines your share of the payout pool.

If you are worried about too many orbital bombardments then it's not hard to up the WP required to earn one -- though it might take a while.

That same 1337 isn't going to reduce his/her suit in a PC match.

I can't argue with that.

We need a conceptual break between where the new player experience happens and PC. While the game may be about PC to many most newer players won't have any reason to care about it for a very long time.

While it seems like a bad idea in general, it is also just 10 WP, for something that doesn't happen often. It provides a bit of extra dopamine after a headshot kill. So to sum it up, it's dumb but fun and largely inconsequential. Nothing worth complaining about imo.

I'll entertain you, but I don't know what you want. Is it videogame examples or real world politics? Either way, I present a few examples (for the political ones, I refuse to express my opinion on it and I expect the same from everyone else):

Exhibit A: The Patriot Act. Passed under Bush, expanded under Obama
Exhibit B: European appeasement when Hit-lur (can't spell his name on this site ) came into power. Hit-lur kept expanding until France and Britain said he'd came too far.
Exhibit C: Under Theodore Roosevelt, many Trusts (which he deemed as evil) were broken down. Under Taft, even more trusts were broken down (despite Teddy's dissatisfaction)
Exhibit D: Lincoln elected--> Civil War --> Emancipation Proclamation --> War ends --> 13th Amendment

Exhibit E: Battlefield 1942 has vehicles in multiplayer --> SOCOM 3 has them too now (Seth Luisi admitted to this)
Exhibit F: MW2 introduces those "candy handouts", almost every FPS/TPS has done it since.
Exhibit G: The praise for Bad Company 1/2 lead to the class design choose of BF3 (which in my opinion is just BC3)
Exhibit H: CoD has perks! Now so does Halo Reach!

Top of my head.

Lots of nice examples, and historical too, but i'm gonna go out an a limb and say that you've got a wee bit more work to do before showing the relevance of pre-WW2 appeasement to CCP's game design choices ;)

Let's try controlling some variables: Fix the game desiger. I'll choose CCP. Now let's look at their only other game, EVE.

There are no WP in EVE, but CCP's design philosophy is fairly obvious: there are no perks, and every player error is punished. If it isn't punished, it means you got bulls*** lucky.

Now i do have my concerns about CCP softening up EVE lately, i hope that doesn't happen because i'll quit the game.

But for now, based on past experience with the developer, i'm not going to worry about hand-holding carebear creep in dust - although i do want to see the AA nerfed. I'm guessing it will be, hopefully in 1.6

Here's a question, who cares? it's extra points that weren't there before and probably didn't take alot of work to put in, what are you complaining about?

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This bullcrap happens in CoD and rewarding people for sucking or doing something a little out of the ordinary. We should be getting points for the kill alone and not how we get it.



Lol
You can't be serious. If I wasted loads of ammo on a guy, that's my own fault. Saving ammo by getting a headshot is a reward in its self.

And how could I possibly miss with the massive hit-boxes we have now?



That's exactly what I'm getting at. I don't want this kind of garbage.^



If politics ever taught me anything, it's that small changes leads to big ones.

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You said yourself that CCP has softened EVE lately. Don't you think they'll bring the same to Dust?

And forgive me, what's "AA", is it anti-air?

a res is 60 points, a headshot makes sure that can't happen. seems like a fair trade.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-aircraft_warfare

"Nicknames for anti-aircraft guns include AA, AAA or triple-A, an abbreviation of anti-aircraft artillery, "ack-ack""

I personally like that you get 10 more WP then normal with a headshot kill, kinda rewards skill or whathaveyous...

And increasing WP increases skill gain... Which is shnazzy.

I don't know... seems pointless to whine about giving people WP for doing things they are supposed to do.

We're gonna have to start calling you Tom because that QQ was so damn Petty

While we are on that low genius, if headshots prevent revival, should explosives get "Explosive Kill +60" are should we give explosives a chance to terminate instead?

I as an md user, believe in the second option!

Give me 10+ for bleeding someone out and I'll be fine.

its a good idea

you will know when that proto is down for good
no need to double tap after the kill

You already know from the headshot sound

It's like CoD! Everyone loves CoD.......right?

.............right?

Not really it got boring after MW3 I'm a battlefield and Dust Boy

we head shot whores approve of the 60+ wp. Nice to see CCP pushing for skillful gameplay unlike call of duty noob spray and pray.

Yeah, you're suppose to kill the enemy. You're not required to get a headshot.

Dude, different people have different requirements. As a sniper you often need a head shot if you want to bring someone down relatively quickly.

Doing that can make the difference between helping your team defend/take an objective or not.

You must be trolling because that is a lame ass excuse for whining about the headshot thing.

By that logic, I should get 10+ for bleeding some out, but we don't/won't.

I would like that. I always pump a few rounds into any corpse i find. Dont want some medic reviving people after i go through an area.

If he's dead, then he's dead. It should not matter how he died.

I wouldn't mind either. Make the 10+ for bleedouts and not necessarily headshots. I'm willing to compromise.

By that logic, being put down but still bleeding out shouldnt count as a kill till i have completely bled out and cant be revived, you can still get your points, but it shouldnt count against my K/D ratio.

I agree that it doesn't really make sense, but I think it's a good thing, just to give slayers a chance for a little extra WP. Logis already get far more WPs than frontline roles, with the scanner points they'll be getting even more. If there wasn't a buff to WPs for kills, heavies in particular (who can't even use a scanner) but also assaults would be getting further and further behind. I think it should be 60 WP for a kill, but if we can't have that then 60 for a headshot is better than nothing.

I don't notice problems like this and I use assault. Given, it might be because I normally get between first to fourth place in pub matches.

I'm a HMG heavy, so I have even fewer sources of WPs than an assault - nothing except kills, assists, and hacks. I don't do badly but I'm not first all that often. I played for a couple of hours before downtime today, had plenty of good games but think I only came first once (went 34-2 that game). I think a logi of a similar ability level would be top more often, though I realize that's hard to quantify. Anyway, I'm not saying logis get too much WP, just that I'm glad slayers are getting their own WP boost in 1.5.

I only rarely use the militia heavy with militia forge gun, so I don't have a clear understanding of how little WP the heavies get. I can understand that you feel you're not getting enough WP because of how slow you are in moving around and hacking.

I've edited the OP.

with the scanner points they'll be getting even more.

There will be what now? :) Source?

right

That sounds very wise. Now all you need to get my attention is a plausible model built up from eveidence and causation. Otherwise i vote for actually running the experiment in the field as opposed to the armchair...

Thats a great idea!

Yeah I don't see a slippery slope here either. I'm actually surprised at people complaining about the extra 50 WP this would give most people per match. It rewards the player for being skillful with their weapon. Why is this a bad thing? For all of the "it takes no skill to use an AR" that I hear on the forums I'd think that the people who actually believe that they have skill would be for something that rewards them over dumb blueberry luck. I'm surprised this wasn't the default way the game was designed.

Holy crap, 10 points!


A HUGE Difference!

Its worth being up in arms about, 10 whole faqing points!

Really. 10.

Thats a great idea!

Super Dumb, maybe.

Last of the Super Dumb Decisions CCP makes, nope.

Bad part about this one is it will stay in game forever.
Also as you stated above, this may just be the first in a long line of LOL COD wannabe moves CCP makes in order to reel in the kids and their parents money.

LOL No, BF3 much?

All this for 10 WP........

I feel so little and unarmed in front of the powerful intrinsic QQ that resides in these forums.

DUST forum is the point of confluence of all the QQ in the entire Universe.

Holy crap, 10 points!


A HUGE Difference!

Its worth being up in arms about, 10 whole faqing points!

Really. 10.

We don't need this candy handout bullcrap and it doesn't directly help the team either.

What's next? You going to give us extra points for killing someone after dying three times in a row?
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EDIT:
2013.09.29 16:11
The above is the unaltered OP. I made no changes to it. Upon review of this thread, two fair points were brought up:
- Slayers should get more opportunities for points compared to the mass amount logis get
- Shooting a clone in the head puts it out of action, this should be rewarded

With these points being stated, I slay that the headshot bonus should be removed, however, any kill that results in the termination of the clone (headshots, explosions, getting killed in a vehicle, etc.) or bleeding out a clone that has been defeated should result in 10+ WP. This makes it so the mechanic actually helps the team instead of getting a pat on the back by the game for doing something special.

With the that being said, the new patch will result in squads getting much more skill points than before. I think the WP required for an OB should be increased.

72 points for headshot kills while wearing the donut. Not exactly game breaking, but isn't that a good thing?