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SgtDoughnut Red Star Jr. EoN. 181	Posted - 2013.09.27 19:40:00 - [61] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: zeluiz wrote: I rarely post on forums but now I think it's a good cause. Pardon my english, I'm brazilian. "You have been scanned" "You have been scanned" All the time. I tried the advance for myself and it's a joke. It's OP and kills any tactics. Flanking is dead, now everyone knows where everyone else is at now. Why don't we just remove all covers from the map and shoot at each other in the open and whoever has the most HP/DPS wins. The only way to counter that scanner I think it's to play a scout with dampener. Everyone else is doomed to stay forever on the enemy scan. Either nerf the scanner to 2 seconds max (just to get a glimpse of the enemy is enough not this BS scanner) or remove it entirely and put back team shared vision. Shrugs Suggest some type of droppable equipment that acts as a Jammer. E-WAR
Coleman Gray GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 733	Posted - 2013.09.27 19:42:00 - [62] - Quote If only the was a way to lower your scan signature... Also I belive shield tanking increases your scan signature... and what!? Scouts have a purpose!? heaven forbid D:
zeluiz Red Star. EoN. 10	Posted - 2013.09.27 19:43:00 - [63] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: zeluiz wrote: 16 seconds and then u just renew with another 16 seconds as soon as it's over = EASY MODE If Scanners were EASY MODE, then everyone would use them. If everyone used them, then we'd back to Shared Sight. The only thing that has changed is that there is now benefit to having a Dampened Profile. When everyone starts realizing how broken the scanner is now, we will be back to shared sight. Except that no one will be able to take a dump behind cover because everyone will know about it.
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 1311	Posted - 2013.09.27 19:47:00 - [64] - Quote zeluiz wrote: Shotty GoBang wrote: zeluiz wrote: 16 seconds and then u just renew with another 16 seconds as soon as it's over = EASY MODE If Scanners were EASY MODE, then everyone would use them. If everyone used them, then we'd back to Shared Sight. The only thing that has changed is that there is now benefit to having a Dampened Profile. When everyone starts realizing how broken the scanner is now, we will be back to shared sight. Except that no one will be able to take a dump behind cover because everyone will know about it. Meaning a Dampened Profile will now make a difference. When Shared Sight was in play, it did not.
zeluiz Red Star. EoN. 10	Posted - 2013.09.27 19:52:00 - [65] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: zeluiz wrote: Shotty GoBang wrote: zeluiz wrote: 16 seconds and then u just renew with another 16 seconds as soon as it's over = EASY MODE If Scanners were EASY MODE, then everyone would use them. If everyone used them, then we'd back to Shared Sight. The only thing that has changed is that there is now benefit to having a Dampened Profile. When everyone starts realizing how broken the scanner is now, we will be back to shared sight. Except that no one will be able to take a dump behind cover because everyone will know about it. Meaning a Dampened Profile will now make a difference. When Shared Sight was in play, it did not. Of course it did. I had profile dampener lv 5 and dropsuit command lv 5 (not sure if that was the name, which also reduced your profile) and no modules on proto assault and red dots ignored me often. They could only see my red name when they aimed directly at me.
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 230	Posted - 2013.09.27 20:08:00 - [66] - Quote Line of sight defeats dampeners. Back when shared sight was in play, it only took one person to see you for you to show up on the minimap for the whole enemy squad and/or team. Therefore dampeners weren't useful. Now that there is no shared sight, if you are running dampeners and therefore don't appear on scans, only mercs who have direct line of sight on you will see you on the radar. This is a big deal because usually the entire enemy team is not looking in your direction, and so long as they aren't, you won't appear on their radar at all. Yet people are still unwilling to use profile dampeners for some reason....
MassiveNine Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 227	Posted - 2013.09.27 20:20:00 - [67] - Quote The only problem I have with the scanner is the range and the elapsed time. 16 seconds is a lifetime in the battlefield, I get scanned out in the middle of nowhere with no one in sight and now I have to hide for 16 seconds, and that's only if the invisible person scanning me decides to stop. While it does create a tactical advantage it's almost too good of an advantage. I'm not saying they should be removed but at least re-worked. I also think that if you're scanned that you should be able to see where you've been scanned from, at least in the general direction. Right now there is no counter to scanning besides speccing into dampening and as a heavy it wouldn't really help much anyways. With how advanced they say our suits are shouldn't we be able to at least see the direction we've been scanned from? Right now besides profile dampeners (which are pretty much useless for heavy), there is no counter to the scanner. What I would like to see is a jammer.
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 230	Posted - 2013.09.27 20:26:00 - [68] - Quote As a heavy, your best counter to scanners is to have a squad with you that runs dampeners. That lone red dot suddenly becomes a six man squad when you turn the corner, oh snap!
Niuvo The Phoenix Federation 564	Posted - 2013.09.27 20:27:00 - [69] - Quote I think the words shoudl be shorter like "Scanned" and if you denied that scan maybe you should get no message or it should read "Scan denied"
Niuvo The Phoenix Federation 565	Posted - 2013.09.27 20:29:00 - [70] - Quote zeluiz wrote: I rarely post on forums but now I think it's a good cause. Pardon my english, I'm brazilian. "You have been scanned" "You have been scanned" All the time. I tried the advance for myself and it's a joke. It's OP and kills any tactics. Flanking is dead, now everyone knows where everyone else is at now. Why don't we just remove all covers from the map and shoot at each other in the open and whoever has the most HP/DPS wins. The only way to counter that scanner I think it's to play a scout with dampener. Everyone else is doomed to stay forever on the enemy scan. Either nerf the scanner to 2 seconds max (just to get a glimpse of the enemy is enough not this BS scanner) or remove it entirely and put back team shared vision. Your english doesn't look bad

LoveNewlooy Black Phoenix Mercenaries 82	Posted - 2013.09.27 21:05:00 - [71] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I know some guys that are true killers say they like to see that they've been scanned. They basically just wait for the red dots to come to them and murder them. Well no one ask those redberry not to use profile damper , it's there chose that want more ehp over stealth
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 1311	Posted - 2013.09.27 21:33:00 - [72] - Quote Niuvo wrote: zeluiz wrote: I rarely post on forums but now I think it's a good cause. Pardon my english, I'm brazilian. "You have been scanned" "You have been scanned" All the time. I tried the advance for myself and it's a joke. It's OP and kills any tactics. Flanking is dead, now everyone knows where everyone else is at now. Why don't we just remove all covers from the map and shoot at each other in the open and whoever has the most HP/DPS wins. The only way to counter that scanner I think it's to play a scout with dampener. Everyone else is doomed to stay forever on the enemy scan. Either nerf the scanner to 2 seconds max (just to get a glimpse of the enemy is enough not this BS scanner) or remove it entirely and put back team shared vision. Your english doesn't look bad Agreed. Your English is perfect.
CharCharOdell Shining Flame Amarr Empire 1028	Posted - 2013.09.27 21:45:00 - [73] - Quote QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ
zeluiz Red Star. EoN. 11	Posted - 2013.09.27 21:47:00 - [74] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: Niuvo wrote: zeluiz wrote: I rarely post on forums but now I think it's a good cause. Pardon my english, I'm brazilian. "You have been scanned" "You have been scanned" All the time. I tried the advance for myself and it's a joke. It's OP and kills any tactics. Flanking is dead, now everyone knows where everyone else is at now. Why don't we just remove all covers from the map and shoot at each other in the open and whoever has the most HP/DPS wins. The only way to counter that scanner I think it's to play a scout with dampener. Everyone else is doomed to stay forever on the enemy scan. Either nerf the scanner to 2 seconds max (just to get a glimpse of the enemy is enough not this BS scanner) or remove it entirely and put back team shared vision. Your english doesn't look bad Agreed. Your English is perfect. Thanks! I always liked RPGs and I played games like Ultima or Secret of Mana back in the day without any english knowledge. Had to use a dictionary to advance in the game but it was soooo fun. Me and my friends just wondered what npcs were talking about but we knew the keywords to look for in the dictionary. Later I took an english course for about one year then dropped it because videogames taught me enough.
zeluiz Red Star. EoN. 11	Posted - 2013.09.27 21:57:00 - [75] - Quote CharCharOdell wrote: QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ Not sure what you meant but... I'm the one that is scanning everyone, I'm getting proto scanner next week, I have proto dampeners.
CharCharOdell Shining Flame Amarr Empire 1029	Posted - 2013.09.27 22:35:00 - [76] - Quote Let me get this straight: you think the scanner is game breaking BC it makes u choose between armor plates or profile dampen era. Okay. Got you.
FATPrincess - XOXO Shining Flame Amarr Empire 580	Posted - 2013.09.27 22:37:00 - [77] - Quote LMAO This has to be the mother of all QQs. Before patch everybody appeared on radar and you didn't complain. Now that that silly thing is fixed you're complaining because they used a thing to catch you in radar? GTFO -XOXO
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1340	Posted - 2013.09.27 22:40:00 - [78] - Quote Unless your a heavy, avoiding getting scanned is easy. With just two enhanced dampeners on my calogi suit (along with the passive bonuses), I am invisible to every scanner in the game except the proto one that goes down to 15dB. And luckily most don't bother using that one since the 25 second 28dB proto scanner is far more useful due to holding targets for 25 seconds, vs the 5 seconds with the 15dB one. So there you have it, if you don't like getting scanned, do what I did... spec into dampeners and slap two enhanced onto a medium suit to be 100% invisible to every scanner except one. And I can't remember off the top of my head, but I believe the dampeners use 0 PG, which is nice and actually allows for some interesting fits. And trust me it is VERY worth the two low slots. Seeing the "Scan attempt prevented" is one of the best sights ever. And oh boy does it allow you to roam the map virtually unnoticed, just avoid getting caught in with a blob of blues, as they are likely not using any dampeners and will indirectly give you away when the enemy comes hunting for them.
Long Evity Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 318	Posted - 2013.09.27 22:53:00 - [79] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: Unless your a heavy, avoiding getting scanned is easy. We want to be seen - come at us. Heavies ftw.
crazy space 1 Unkn0wn Killers 1769	Posted - 2013.09.27 23:03:00 - [80] - Quote zeluiz wrote: I rarely post on forums but now I think it's a good cause. Pardon my english, I'm brazilian. "You have been scanned" "You have been scanned" All the time. I tried the advance for myself and it's a joke. It's OP and kills any tactics. Flanking is dead, now everyone knows where everyone else is at now. Why don't we just remove all covers from the map and shoot at each other in the open and whoever has the most HP/DPS wins. The only way to counter that scanner I think it's to play a scout with dampener. Everyone else is doomed to stay forever on the enemy scan. Either nerf the scanner to 2 seconds max (just to get a glimpse of the enemy is enough not this BS scanner) or remove it entirely and put back team shared vision. so fit some damps

zeluiz Red Star. EoN. 13	Posted - 2013.09.27 23:28:00 - [81] - Quote FATPrincess - XOXO wrote: LMAO This has to be the mother of all QQs. Before patch everybody appeared on radar and you didn't complain. Now that that silly thing is fixed you're complaining because they used a thing to catch you in radar? GTFO -XOXO I think u didn't read my other posts... It's ok. But I'm still out of radar and I'm scanning everyone. It's one thing to catch people on radar... But to see them through walls it's easy mode.
howard sanchez Sanchez Cartage llc 774	Posted - 2013.09.27 23:40:00 - [82] - Quote zeluiz wrote: I have eletronics 5, dampening 5, range 5, and precision 3. But I dont use modules because my role is to assault. Oh, you are Assault? Then shut up and assault. Trigger puller, you don't have enough brains to scan or not be scanned. You are being paid to sponge and apply bullets to other sponges. Gah, people need to stop, think and try altering thier approach to the fight instead of instantly and constantly declaring everything they don't like as OP. Adapt and overcome. Or just whine until Darwin shuts you up
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 783	Posted - 2013.09.27 23:49:00 - [83] - Quote Medium dropsuits, with a scan profile of 55db At core upgrade, profile dampening, lvl 5 = 41.25 (beats standard scanners) + 1 mlt/basic, dampener = 35 ( beats advanced scanners) If you don't want to be seen, put some skill into dampening!
zeluiz Red Star. EoN. 13	Posted - 2013.09.28 00:01:00 - [84] - Quote howard sanchez wrote: zeluiz wrote: I have eletronics 5, dampening 5, range 5, and precision 3. But I dont use modules because my role is to assault. Oh, you are Assault? Then shut up and assault. Trigger puller, you don't have enough brains to scan or not be scanned. You are being paid to sponge and apply bullets to other sponges. Gah, people need to stop, think and try altering thier approach to the fight instead of instantly and constantly declaring everything they don't like as OP. Adapt and overcome. Or just whine until Darwin shuts you up I have no idea what ur talking about. Huh? I'm using scanner/proto dampeners. Can u read? That sentence is so out of context dude. I can switch to proto damps if I want.
zeluiz Red Star. EoN. 13	Posted - 2013.09.28 00:11:00 - [85] - Quote The entire point of this thread is not to scan or to be scanned. It's one thing to get caught in the minimap and another to track them in your actual vision. X-Ray vision for 16, 25 seconds is too much.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 4315	Posted - 2013.09.28 00:26:00 - [86] - Quote It seems like you're the only one here with a complaint. Maybe a couple of others, but that's it. Everyone else doesn't have a problem with the active scanners.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 4315	Posted - 2013.09.28 00:29:00 - [87] - Quote zeluiz wrote: Shotty GoBang wrote: zeluiz wrote: Shotty GoBang wrote: zeluiz wrote: 16 seconds and then u just renew with another 16 seconds as soon as it's over = EASY MODE If Scanners were EASY MODE, then everyone would use them. If everyone used them, then we'd back to Shared Sight. The only thing that has changed is that there is now benefit to having a Dampened Profile. When everyone starts realizing how broken the scanner is now, we will be back to shared sight. Except that no one will be able to take a dump behind cover because everyone will know about it. Meaning a Dampened Profile will now make a difference. When Shared Sight was in play, it did not. Of course it did. I had profile dampener lv 5 and dropsuit command lv 5 (not sure if that was the name, which also reduced your profile) and no modules on proto assault and red dots ignored me often. They could only see my red name when they aimed directly at me. As a dedicated scout myself since closed beta, I call bullshit.
zeluiz Red Star. EoN. 13	Posted - 2013.09.28 00:30:00 - [88] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: It seems like you're the only one here with a complaint. Maybe a couple of others, but that's it. Everyone else doesn't have a problem with the active scanners. Well, it's just an opinion. Im not expecting everyone to agree with me,
SILENTSAM 69 SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION 548	Posted - 2013.09.28 00:32:00 - [89] - Quote It is not breaking the game, it is changing the available tactics. We will likely see new devices that will counter this added to the game as we get more E-War equipment, as has been talked about for far too long. We still do not have the cloaking devices we heard about. Those will help balance Active Scanners.
OZAROW WarRavens League of Infamy 737	Posted - 2013.09.28 02:16:00 - [90] - Quote I assume your assault with 50db signature? Level five profile dampening will bring your new profile to a scouts stock signature of 45 db One complex pd will bring you under the advanced 36 db scanner by giving you a 33.75 signature 2 mods will get you under the proto 28 db Only a few suits in the game can beat 15 db Get ur skills up



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