It's NOT just a few extra militia AR rounds, FFS, it's a full second of AR dps (425, 12 shots) or more! The difference is not minor, it's more than double. That's not "a little harder to kill", thats "I'm guaranteed to lose a 1v1 unless the enemy has a seizure." I agree it should be harder to kill protosuits than others, but right now a dual-tanked proto suit with an AR is serious win button.

It's NOT just a few extra militia AR rounds, FFS, it's a full second of AR dps (425, 12 shots) or more! The difference is not minor, it's more than double. That's not "a little harder to kill", thats "I'm guaranteed to lose a 1v1 unless the enemy has a seizure." I agree it should be harder to kill protosuits than others, but right now a dual-tanked proto suit with an AR is serious win button.

It sounds like your a scout?

Sorry to tell you, but scouts aren't meamt for taking on squads, if you are taking on just 1 guy, what are using?

Why are you trying to 1v1 someone in a team based game anyway? This is why we have squads and teams so you don't have to duel someone with better tech than you. Change your strategy. The definition of insanity is trying to do the same thing, expecting different results.

It sounds like you did not read the thread. I'm not a scout and I'm not trying to drop a full squad. 6 coordinated players SHOULD win.
For the purposes of analysis, I'm talking about a STD AR medium frame going up against a PRO AR medium frame.



My analysis is just as valid as you scale it up to squad or team level. An equally skilled squad of STD players has no chance of winning over a squad of PRO-geared players, and the same holds for a team. A team with 8 random protos vs a team with no random protos has significantly less total team HP and DPS. Maybe if matchmaking worked it would be OK, but it doesn't so it's not.
I do use different strategies- everything from range advantage with LRs to burst damage advantage with SCRs to cheap cooked grenade kills to MD ninja-ing. I can do fine, and it won't stop me playing the game. I've long since given up on winning the situation I'm talking about, I just think it's indicative of game balance issues that are hurting the NPE. I simply don't think it should be outright impossible to go to head to head with the same weapon.

It is a pretty simple fix but no one wants to hear it. In my experience with shooters, the only way to make the balance of additional damage of proto weapons is to make them harder to shoot by adding more kick to more powerful weapons and to decrease the clip sizes on more powerful weapons.

Restrict public contracts to ADV gear max.

Leave FW and PC for PRO gear.

Well, if you have totally out manuevered him, try leading with a grenade, then opening up on him just as the nade goes off.

Its already highly condensed!
Have you done calcs on the ACTUAL difference?

There is no "good efficient counter" to a 1k HP CalLogi. Is there?

"get better and use proto" takes many months of capped-out SP gain.

A squad of 6 competent players in STD gear is still going to get crushed by a squad of 2 or 3 protobears.

The argument from ISK is meaningless, many players have enough ISK to lose 1000s of proto suits and not care. Especially with PC being a magical ISK-pooping unicorn that no one has to spend money to defend any more.

You mean like it was before? The Duvolle used to kick like a donkey on speed back in chromosome.

I miss that. Each shot would buck up a bit, and you could trace a nice line up the torso and finish with a headshot.

This also reiterates the point I've made a few times in other threads. The problem now isn't that some weapons aren't powerful enough. The most common weapons are far, far too powerful. This used to be a game where your hitpoints and strategy mattered. Now 300 hp gets you an extra .7 seconds of life. That's barely enough time to register where the fire is coming from, let alone get back into cover. So why train shield extension or armor plating? Why blow an extra 30k to 60k isk tanking up a suit? Grab a cheapass suit and throw a GEK on it. You're done. If you don't get unlucky with random aim assisted headshots from militia rifles this gives you everything you need to come out on top.

Ok so in the examples you just gave with actual math, those are relevant if both guys both shooting at each other at the same time like an old western duel. You claim you're getting the drop on people and they're still killing you. Who are you shooting at? Neo? There's only a .2 second difference max between STD and PRO...does the guy do a backflp and aim at you in less than .1 of a second?

Sounds to me like either you're not actually getting the drop on these guys, or you're getting too excited and missing your shots.