You know there's more to modules than shield extenders and armor plates, right?

Logi's are such sluts. They like to insert their needle into anyone on their back and spray their warm golden nanites on people's chests. Wait what are you talking about again?

You know there's more to modules than shield extenders and armor plates, right?

witch only means the logi can use a mix of Modules and come out at the same health assaults come out of they only stack extenders.

Your logic is awsome man...

They are super assaulters simply because they can stack complex HP/DPS mods why not reduce the amount if slots to make up for the gain in equipment slots. While the have slots, pg and CPU the will always be an issue with assault logis unless they make them sidearm only or something which is going too far. Armour tanking is even nicer in them because of the 5hps so you can jut stack plates. Reduce logis potential EHP by reducing slot levels.

So by your logic scouts need a nerf because they can stack plates as gallente and have about 500hp.

The 5hp a second helps out of combat not in it.

Or how about heavy snipers? Snipers are supposed to be easy to kill but also kill easy right? Get the picture now? There is no supposed to do anything here, you play how you want

When I fit 2 advanced equipment and a proto repper on an adv. Minny logistics suit, usually one or two of my modules will have to be basic to save CPU/PG, so if I lost a slot it wouldn't be such a big deal. But I can see how it could become a problem when people don't bother fitting equipment.

I reckon instead of requiring a weapon, logistics suits should need all 3 equipment slots filled before the suit is valid.

... Wow, that's genius. But of course, we'll have the usual 'being a heavy sniper' argument. And once again, progress will be denied.

So by your logic scouts need a nerf because they can stack plates as gallente and have about 500hp.

The 5hp a second helps out of combat not in it.

Or how about heavy snipers? Snipers are supposed to be easy to kill but also kill easy right? Get the picture now? There is no supposed to do anything here, you play how you want

Sorry to burst your bubble mate, but the heavy sniper arguement. Helps our side more.
If you choose to be a heavy sniper, fine thats your choice we won't stop, nor should we.

But a heavy sniper has different positives and negatives to that of a scout sniper.
But a heavy suit will be fitted to different roles to a scout sniper.
A heavy sniper is not a hybrid role, its a sniper role in a heavy suit.

An assult logi is a hybrid role, its a logistics role AND assault role
Therefore it should have significant drawbacks over playing full logi, or full assault.

Now the way to do this is to make assault suits VASTLY superior (in terms of combat effectiveness) to a logi suit
while a logi suit becomes VASTLY superior (in terms of logistical play) to an assault suit.

So my proposition
You must have at least 1 equipment on a logi suit
equipment gets pg/cpu cost reductions on a logi suit such that 3x eq = 1+ù eq on assault
pg/cpu gets homoginzed with assault suits
remove passive armour repair as a logi bonus
remove sheild regen penalty from logi suit

Wont harm logi players, will make assault logi hybrid roles lesser than its 2 parts!

Fair enough my friend I won't argue with the numbers, the maths checks out!
If you think logi suits are overpowered do the maths, or get lost!

However I dunno about you, but I still think the pg/cpu and equiment cost changes will make it easier to convey the role a little more! I mean thats not a nerf is it? Not really its just shuffling around the assets to give the same result!

It would also stem a lot of qq!
It's a FPS, we're all technically assaults. Some just have more weapons while others have more module slots and equipment.

What bother's me most about this whole mentally challenged logi debate is the broad brush that's a dead indicator that 9/10, the complaints are coming from someone that has never touched the class, would rather blame the game instead of themselves, or hasn't done their research. Thankfully, there are people that do.

remove passive armour repair as a logi bonus

Someone drag this dead horse away...and then slap some sense into the OP.

I don't have the strength argue against this failed logic anymore. Get past the one-on-one you just lost in your latest Instant Battle, do some real f**king research and then step back as you start poking holes in your own 'theory'.

~Here Ended The Lesson~

I don't get it when someone says a suit is OP because it CAN have (x) hp. Not all the suits are going to have the same maximum hp, even in the same frame size. So far hp has been balanced by speed, the more speed you get, the less HP you get. Logis are slower than assaults, so they get a higher maximum hp. They trade a sidearm and offensive capabilities for equipment,they trade shield regeneration for armor regeneration, and they also trade speed for a bit more health than their assault counterparts. The Amarr Logi is the exception, it trades one of its equipment and a slot back to get a sidearm again.

As stated in its description its supposed to be an assault oriented logi, I said in beta if there's no logi with a sidearm im going assault upon uprising

Someone drag this dead horse away...and then slap some sense into the OP.

I don't have the strength argue against this failed logic anymore. Get past the one-on-one you just lost in your latest Instant Battle, do some real f**king research and then step back as you start poking holes in your own 'theory'.

~Here Ended The Lesson~

There's no bubble to burst, I stated my opinion with some facts, you stated your opinion.

I'm amarr logi, working as intended and I skilled into it the moment I found it had a sidearm at proto when it was gimped

Maybe if Logis have a larger stacking penalty when using dmg mods.

That would do pretty much nothing. Maybe -2% damage for logis that stack them. Few logis stack 2, even fewer stack 3. The penalties are pretty harsh anyway, make them any harsher and gallogis/amlogis wouldn't have anything to do with their high slots but shield extenders, and that is handle befitting of a Gallente it Amarr suit, even if it is a Logi suit.

Fair enough my friend I won't argue with the numbers, the maths checks out!
If you think logi suits are overpowered do the maths, or get lost!

However I dunno about you, but I still think the pg/cpu and equiment cost changes will make it easier to convey the role a little more! I mean thats not a nerf is it? Not really its just shuffling around the assets to give the same result!

It would also stem a lot of qq!

They are super assaulters simply because they can stack complex HP/DPS mods why not reduce the amount if slots to make up for the gain in equipment slots. While the have slots, pg and CPU the will always be an issue with assault logis unless they make them sidearm only or something which is going too far. Armour tanking is even nicer in them because of the 5hps so you can jut stack plates. Reduce logis potential EHP by reducing slot levels.

It's a FPS, we're all technically assaults. Some just have more weapons while others have more module slots and equipment.

What bother's me most about this whole mentally challenged logi debate is the broad brush that's a dead indicator that 9/10, the complaints are coming from someone that has never touched the class, would rather blame the game instead of themselves, or hasn't done their research. Thankfully, there are people that do.

5 HP per second isn't **** if you're being shot at.

Just thank the guy for his Scanner usage and Uplink placement.
(Do you know how expensive it is to haul all of those goodies around on 1 suit?)

More understanding and appreciation, less ******** will serve you well.
(Life lessons are free.)

I didn't understand the point of that thread, all it showed was that a logi can have more ehp than an assault whilst having built in armour reps of 5, the fittings were also stupid and no one would fit like that anyway.

I don't think the Logi suit is OP as it is at all, there are enough benefits for going assault that outweigh the slot count/fitting ability for me to prefer an assault suit, being slower with less stamina is pretty annoying to me and I cant live without my six kin smg/viziam scrambler pistol either.

The only think that irks me is the rep bonus, The main defense I see is that a logi needs lots of health and a rep bonus to keep the team resupplied, repaired, revived etc. I call total BULLSH!T on that, last time I checked I don't need lots of health to hold R2 and drop equipment on the floor, I don't need a lot of health to stand behind the 5 other guys in my squad with a repair tool, I don't need lots of health to pick people up with a needle because im not mentally unstable and don't run out into hails of gunfire to pick people up like I see randoms on the other team do ALL THE TIME.

Again im not crying about the logi suit, or at you the link to that thread was just in your post, its just the reasoning behind needing all that health and rep makes me wanna face desk. The health is fine imo, I just think the rep bonus is not needed and before you ask yes I have played as a logi with other good logis who destroy and don't need more ehp than my assault.

Woah... Get a proto Amarr Logi then put 3 complex reppers and a complex armor plate. Reps armor faster than shields can recharge (unless they stack energizers/rechargers of course).

Cal logi still has too many slots. Others, not really.

Better way than to strip slots would be to swap the extra PG/CPU to bonus for equipment fitting.

This would work. They have so much pg/CPU because of the equipment after all. I think they may get this when they are revisited by CCP

They are super assaulters simply because they can stack complex HP/DPS mods why not reduce the amount if slots to make up for the gain in equipment slots. While the have slots, pg and CPU the will always be an issue with assault logis unless they make them sidearm only or something which is going too far. Armour tanking is even nicer in them because of the 5hps so you can jut stack plates. Reduce logis potential EHP by reducing slot levels.

Lol. You're a funny guy. Assault logis are better at defense for obvious reasons, but it all counts for nothing if they have to move. They're extremely slow and they can't recover shields nearly as fast, so they can't skirmish.

Assaults are better for offense. Logi assaults are better for defense.

Also, nobody smart uses all tank modules. Most people will throw cardiac regulators and damage mods on before getting another 66 or 131 HP.

logis are team support, the idea is that they're supposed to be for helping out the team instead of doing damage so it's good to have alot of defense on them, the problem is that you can put on pretty much any weapon on them so they turn into assault suits. People might argue that there's a difference because assault suits have more than 1 weapon slot, oh so you mean you can be incredibly more effective if you have a mass driver or assault rifle AND and smg? No, I've been running logi since day one of the open beta and the way I see it, if you can't kill someone before you run out of ammo in the clip, you f***ed up, it's not a question of firepower, ANYONE can be killed with a clip of ammo if you're smart about it. If you start questioning oh but what about multiple enemies, assault suits and heavies are meant to handle multiple enemies, you're there to back them up and make sure they stay alive.
Several people have recommended that logis should only be able to use sidearms, I for one would not mind this change. Sidearms are still pretty damn powerful and they don't take up alot of room, gives me more space for defense and equipment. The only problem right now is that there's limited ways to apply them effectively which just means we should get more variety in weapons before this is implemented.
If that doesn't sound acceptable to you then you're the type to use it for logi assault, if you're only concerned about you're kdr then don't run logistics.

Logi's are such sluts. They like to insert their needle into anyone on their back and spray their warm golden nanites on people's chests. Wait what are you talking about again?

Logi's are such sluts. They like to insert their needle into anyone on their back and spray their warm golden nanites on people's chests. Wait what are you talking about again?

logis are team support, the idea is that they're supposed to be for helping out the team instead of doing damage so it's good to have alot of defense on them, the problem is that you can put on pretty much any weapon on them so they turn into assault suits. People might argue that there's a difference because assault suits have more than 1 weapon slot, oh so you mean you can be incredibly more effective if you have a mass driver or assault rifle AND and smg? No, I've been running logi since day one of the open beta and the way I see it, if you can't kill someone before you run out of ammo in the clip, you f***ed up, it's not a question of firepower, ANYONE can be killed with a clip of ammo if you're smart about it. If you start questioning oh but what about multiple enemies, assault suits and heavies are meant to handle multiple enemies, you're there to back them up and make sure they stay alive.
Several people have recommended that logis should only be able to use sidearms, I for one would not mind this change. Sidearms are still pretty damn powerful and they don't take up alot of room, gives me more space for defense and equipment. The only problem right now is that there's limited ways to apply them effectively which just means we should get more variety in weapons before this is implemented.
If that doesn't sound acceptable to you then you're the type to use it for logi assault, if you're only concerned about you're kdr then don't run logistics.

Herp, derp, sidearms1

Cal logi still has too many slots. Others, not really.

Better way than to strip slots would be to swap the extra PG/CPU to bonus for equipment fitting.

If this ever happens, every other class should have to give up their equipment slot. You want logis to be nothing but pack mules, then everyone should give up their equipment!

Just so you know what kind of logi I am, I have all my equipment (except explosives) to proto level and regularly use triage hives for point defense. Bro, do you even logi?

lol fine then, but there's not really a way to make people use logis as intended right now because they just have more overall flexibility and that would be tough to limit. Maybe people will just have to deal with it until we get the ability to build our own suits.

witch only means the logi can use a mix of Modules and come out at the same health assaults come out of they only stack extenders.

Your logic is awsome man...

We already have the ability to build our suits. People just get butthurt when they see something different from theirs. Welcome to the human condition.