As I get better my K/D has gone from 0.32 to 0.86 and yes, there's totally room for improvement!!!

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Remember. K-D ratio does not directly equal Player skill.

a Sniper will always have a higher K-D ratio than a Frontline man.
a Person who has used ALL FOTM will have a higher K-D ratio than people who didnt....
There is also STAT Padding,that we have a LOT....
People ALWAYS playing in squads will naturally have higher K-D ratio than lone wolves, etc.... Its a nice stat,just not definitive.

K-D ratio is just one of the stats to look into while rating a merc.

1 K-D should be the standard, making evey clone you use from you team equal to one you take from the enemy. Just saying....
Uplinks-repairing-reviving-rtanking-sniping-using a dropship etc... are all as important than kills

Just saying :3

For me if someone doesn't have a 1.50 kd by 6000 kills regardless of class they suck the floor too much, someone who dies that often is generally no good or helpful for anyone and them self.

8.9

Well I guess our opinions are relative to how good we both are then, in a game based on teamwork I'd want reliable slayers by my side, not gun ho cannon fodder.

must not actually play in PC then Huh?

My K-D ratio is 2.8

I play solo vs full squads 90% of the time
Im not FOTM
I dont pad stats
I dont pub stomp nor PROTObear

I prefer someone who revives meputs uplinks and gives me ammo than just killers, because Teamwork> Killers.

How many times have i been in a team full of randoms taht all went negative while the other team were all highly positive (25-2 / 30-4, etc...) AND WE STILL WON?
yeah....Keep your killers, i want to win.

That's most likely because the other team just wants to farm kills, gun ho cannon fodder is more isk. Realise

My K-D ratio is 2.8

I play solo vs full squads 90% of the time
Im not FOTM
I dont pad stats
I dont pub stomp nor PROTObear

I prefer someone who revives meputs uplinks and gives me ammo than just killers, because Teamwork> Killers.

How many times have i been in a team full of randoms taht all went negative while the other team were all highly positive (25-2 / 30-4, etc...) AND WE STILL WON?
yeah....Keep your killers, i want to win.

And yes I see you soloing all the time in fw, you should join pie inc if your pro amarr, I'm gallente or duct tape

I still haven't clawed my way out of my noob hole.

Got more kills to make if I can have a K/D I can be proud of.


Munch

I only play Amarr. And yes i have seen your squads aroudn playing for Duct tape rep.....
No. Pie Inc might be Amarr,but they are EVE strong, im not sure about DUST.....

Randoms need me more than any corp....So do my 0.3 K-D ratio Real life friends,who ty to people like you dont have anyone to play with them. I even made them a corp XD

How is it my fault in any way that people may not have people to play with?

I used to have an 8 kd as a heavy in chrom.

Now I'm a 3.82 as a scout.... My kd dropped so hard as a scout lol

I allow logos in my corp to ride the pure support train until they get proto, then I push them to start getting better at killing and then finally try to teach the the art of gauging whether to whip out the rep tool or go for the gun, as a logi there is nothing more annoying than watching another logo trying to rep through impossible DPs. My fking tablet thinks it decides what I want to type, skynet here we come Lol. If it turns out they are not good at killing I expect them to not put themselves at risk because they are no good dead. I do push my guys to get better but not to the point where I'm being a dk.

I expect improvement and anyone should strive for it I believe. If people strive to improve they help not only themselves but more importantly their team mates . A 1 kd to me means they need advice and some guidance.

Ok fair enough. But still usable? YES.

Thats my point. everybody improves.You are looking at a fail lord who used to have a 0.5 K-D ratio WHILE PLAYING WITH A CLAN... I improved,and im still improving, my K-D ratio improves 0.01 every 2 games....EVERYBODY improves....My point is FOR ME, a 1 k-d ratio is more than enough to join arms with me. I can take care of the rest,if they AT LEAST push or help in other ways.

Yes totally, I was thinking in absolute terms a bit too much, was a fun discussion . See you on the fields :)

As I get better my K/D has gone from 0.32 to 0.86 and yes, there's totally room for improvement!!!

a Sniper will always have a higher K-D ratio than a Frontline man.

a Person who has used ALL FOTM will have a higher K-D ratio than people who didnt....

There is also STAT Padding,that we have a LOT....

People ALWAYS playing in squads will naturally have higher K-D ratio than lone wolves, etc.... Its a nice stat,just not definitive.

must not actually play in PC then Huh?

As I get better my K/D has gone from 0.32 to 0.86 and yes, there's totally room for improvement!!!

I only play Amarr. And yes i have seen your squads aroudn playing for Duct tape rep.....
No. Pie Inc might be Amarr,but they are EVE strong, im not sure about DUST.....

Randoms need me more than any corp....So do my 0.3 K-D ratio Real life friends,who ty to people like you dont have anyone to play with them. I even made them a corp XD

My KDR is 4.89

My KDR looks like a digit, followed by a decimal and two more digits. That's normal, right?

kdr means nothing

For me if someone doesn't have a 1.50 kd by 6000 kills regardless of class they suck the floor too much, someone who dies that often is generally no good or helpful for anyone and them self.

Lmao, no Tech tell us how you really feel.....

What's your opinion on some one who has just 2000 kills and almost 7000 deaths? This is someone I know.

depends on what roles they play.

when i was dedicated av i was always in the negative but so was the other guy

now i'm a logi i'm always in the positive

5,89 and growing day day by day

Haven't looked at my K/D in forever. Don't intend on doing so for a long time.

Got invited to a high KDR channel. That was a good laugh.

Lone wolf infiltrator logi is not good for your health.

Kicking ass and getting respect from A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S a PC heavy corp when our squads are full of RPers over super tryhard players.

As I have said with PIE inc before. WE are the best the Amarr have to offer..... admittedly Marauder, Hiemdallr, Aisha, and 21 all visit the Public Channels, but I don't feel i'm telling untruths when I say the PIE squads are some of the best Amarr FW has to offer... admittedly we often cannot run full squads of all corpies.

3.91 :( Though I'm a lone wolf and part time shotgun pilot. J
PS. Just to voice my opinion - people who say their kd/r is bad because of not being a squad player or not using the FoTM are making excuses. Don't want to sound like a douche but it's kind of truth. Don't hate me as my kd/r isn't that good either.

Ok, by this logic im one of the best players ever in Dust. I have a Alt with 45 K-D ratio.
Yeah you heard right , 45.


(Its a cowardly sniper account XD)

Any KDR above a 10 in DUST514 probably translates to a 2.7 or 3.0 on any other game.

2.0 in DUST514 could very well be a 1.25 or 1.5 in any other game

chances are if you're 1:1 in DUST you'll probably be negative in any other game.

Mine looks like a series of numbers with a decimal point somewhere in there.

Whats your K/D look like?

i just went 1/3 in my logi and was top of wp.. loads of people didn't die that match and we won. hard to rate that usefulness so kinda gimps the score. makes k/d look insignificant.

kdr is only good for rating snipers/scouts/tanks. for snipers it shows their effectiveness and skill and for a scout or tank driver with positive kdr is something to watch out for. imo it has no barring on how good an assault/heavy is as they are front line and death is to be expected

Was that channel called "compensating" by any chance?

I played a match against you a little bit ago, and I killed you a couple times with the Advanced version of your suit, unfortunately we lost

GG though and sorry for wasting you 200 AUR.

Last I checked I was neck and neck with Aero, and that's perhaps the only reason I even care about it, was 2.25

sence PC started K/D is a concern of the past, not everyone needs to get an insaine amount of kills to support their team. I had a 13 as a tanker and now that ive been using infaintry and throwing my tanks in harms way for the team in PC it droped to an 8 over sence the start of PC. its really nothing worth braging about tho

I think it's hilarious how many people are saying that KDR means nothing.

All the true slayers in the game have a high KDR. All of them.
But not all people with a high KDR are true slayers. Red line snipers, boosters, people that disconnect before match end, etc, are the ones that have a high KDR but do not have the slayer skills up to back those numbers up.

Again:
All the true slayers in the game have a high KDR. But not all people with a high KDR are true slayers.

So the next person to post 'my KDR sucks but it's a stat that doesn't matter anyway...' You're wrong.

Having said all that, if you're having a good time, regardless of how many clones you lose, that's all that matters!

I think it's hilarious how many people are saying that KDR means nothing.

All the true slayers in the game have a high KDR. All of them.
But not all people with a high KDR are true slayers. Red line snipers, boosters, people that disconnect before match end, etc, are the ones that have a high KDR but do not have the slayer skills up to back those numbers up.

Again:
All the true slayers in the game have a high KDR. But not all people with a high KDR are true slayers.

So the next person to post 'my KDR sucks but it's a stat that doesn't matter anyway...' You're wrong.

Having said all that, if you're having a good time, regardless of how many clones you lose, that's all that matters!

Dont know, dont care.
I prefer W/L over K/D.

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Mine is like 1.10 and quickly climbing. I am a good player but sadly at the beginning of chrome I got pubstomped... hard.

Mine is like 1.10 and quickly climbing. I am a good player but sadly at the beginning of chrome I got pubstomped... hard.

This is very true, I hate when people says it means nothing. If you are playing ambush mostly and you have a bad k/d, then you are basically helping the other team more than your team by feeding them kills and your team deaths.
Medics are sort of a exception, but even they shouldn't be dieing THAT much a match.

So it all comes down to this, as you gain SP, upgrade skills, purchase new and better gear, you have no choice but to get better and get that K/D up! Unless of course you just suck that bad!

Some perspective of varying opinions is sometimes good.

My low kdr over 21,000+ kills for instance reflects months of being a complete and utter FPS noob getting steamrolled by imps etc. while I learned how to play console games in Chromosome, crashing dropships, chasing tanks with swarms, running bpo suits to finance PC, going all 'leroy!!!" playing the objective and suicide hacking, experimenting with scouts, going all 'true logi' mode and holding reps on a heavy for hundreds of matchs that show me something like 1-3 on the top of the kill board, soloing and staying in matches against full top tier squads, going for weeks / months in which it was nothing but 10+ gruesome PC matches a day, etc. All of which lowers kdr as reflected in the game.

Never going to be 'the best' gun in the game, but kdr over the last 1000 kills would better reflect the pubstomping protobear ******* I am today :-)

IF you pub stomp all day, you get a high padded KDR even in militia gear... The average FPS talent in pub's these day's is atrocious... Back in Chromosome we had some of the best FPS players from Mag, Soccom, CoD, Bf3...

Every pub match was what I see in PC matches against well known entities. The level of talent hanging around DUST pub's these day's is concerning... to the point where I often wonder if it's an actual human being behind the control's or an AI turned onto "idiot" setting.

Its so easy to get crazy high scores with very little death's, almost more then ever... just purely because the lack of competition. Often making the best slayer's left in the game be complacent and play with little to no effort.

Anyone PC'ing against decent competition will loose KDR, anyone pubbing mainly will gain drastic KDR.

Edit*When any slayer solo's instead of with "proto stomping buddies" they will get more kills because they don't have to share them... Hit and run tactic's are better as well as you don't have to risk your life to save your buddy much.

Play fw, it's more challenging on average and people really go at it, granted there's matches that are redline quick but people fight with way more gusto than regular pubs.

FW is far worse of a talent pool. This is well known as a better place then normal pub's to pad your KDR..

I play against proto squads all the time, plus I only like skirmish and am into the lore.

Also cubs and his beast squad play for caldari or amarr and running into them is fun.

Nah, your opinion is not fact, everytime I go into regular skirmish it's faceroll easy and boring.

In fw I continuously face proto or stacked proto teams and also our eve pilots are Minnie or gallente. People fight like madmen in fw most of the time, and im talking from experience not opinion, fw used to be as easy as you stated but it's way better now, granted theres easy as hell redline matches but far less than random pubs, again this from my experience not just my opinion based on how I feel.

If your basing skilled FPS players on proto suit's... then enough said.

If your basing skilled FPS players on proto suit's... then enough said.

kdr means literally nothing in this game, with controls out of wack and little to no balance between weapons and suits...

I used to have an 8 kd as a heavy in chrom.

Now I'm a 3.82 as a scout.... My kd dropped so hard as a scout lol

The turn acceleration is what I hate, but most of all the rendering issues and lag as f**k pc battles, even when its been a win I just cool so the other team lagged more and got random boots this time.

Again:
1-All the true slayers in the game have a high KDR. But not all people with a high KDR are true slayers.

2-So the next person to post 'my KDR sucks but it's a stat that doesn't matter anyway...' You're wrong.

1-If there are ways to pad this stat to MAKE you look like a slayer, the importance of the stat is greatly reduced.
''not all people with a high KDR are true slayers'' <=== you said it yourself.
Whats the point of having an 8 K-D ratio and getting dropped by a 1.5 K-D ratio player?
And for FORUM and Clan recruitment purposes,K-D ratio should not be more than a Promise the player makes of whats hes capable of, which as we know ,promises are easily broken....

2-My K-D ratio sucks but K-D is NOT THE MOST IMPORTANT STAT. WP gain and W-L ratio are more important in my opnion.
I dont have a high K-D ratio yet im a killer. My Regular scores being arounds 20-8 / 30-9 / 25-7 etc....

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K-D ratio is a nice stat to have.
But dust has permitted it to be easy to manipulate for people who care for it, reducing GREATLY its value. Now, the only way i have to know if someone is good,is fighting them on the battlefield.
I have 8+ K-D ratio players dying to my scrambler rifle 10+ times per game and 1.5 K-D ratio players dominating games as killers....

Well I guess our opinions are relative to how good we both are then, in a game based on teamwork I'd want reliable slayers by my side, not gun ho cannon fodder.

Anyone PC'ing against decent competition will loose KDR, anyone pubbing mainly will gain drastic KDR.

Edit*When any slayer solo's instead of with "proto stomping buddies" they will get more kills because they don't have to share them....

A player with HIGH SKILL and LOW KDR doesn't exist. Over time, every player that's good at this game will have a high KDR.
A player with LOW SKILL and LOW KDR is the majority. This is a player that, for whatever reason just isn't very good at this game, even after playing for a long time. Or a brand new player that doesn't know what he is doing.

So looking at players with low KDR, there is literally no case where you'd want them on your team. Statistically speaking, the odds of them making a solid contribution and extremely low. Sure, they may get lucky and have a really good round. But this would be highly unlikely.

So for everyone saying KDR doesn't matter, it does. If your KDR is high, you're either really good, or you're gaming the system to appear good. If your KDR is low, you are very inefficient at this game and are unlikely to make a solid contribution to the team.

There are no positives about having a low KDR! None!

I think it's hilarious how many people are saying that KDR means nothing.

All the true slayers in the game have a high KDR. All of them.
But not all people with a high KDR are true slayers. Red line snipers, boosters, people that disconnect before match end, etc, are the ones that have a high KDR but do not have the slayer skills up to back those numbers up.

Correction your being a douche, im sure your an ok person.

heres my take on what u should be

logi = .70 any less is bad or 0 if all possible :P u need to be giving me ammo and leaving uplinks not killing >:(

I thought DCing midbattle had these results:

1. All kills and deaths to that point are recorded on your record
2. You lose all suits lost in the game to that point plus whatever you are presently wearing (if spawned)
3. You lose all vehicles lost and all presently deployed vehicles
4. You get no ISK or SP reward
5. The result of the game (win or lose) is not recorded on your record

When you see people leaving the battle near the end I don't think that helps their KDR. They either just got thrown into a nearly finished battle, or are protecting their W/L ratio. But maybe I'm wrong about this.

Aww muffin did you loose that one and resort to name calling? someone need a tissue?

Aww muffin did you loose that one and resort to name calling? someone need a tissue?

Mine looks horrible, you have to look at it through a mirror or you turn to stone... But then again, i don't and didn't ever give a crap about my kd ratio, I'm super aggressive and stupid when it comes to getting into fights. I just play to get objectives and unless we're low on clones (when I'll try my best to survive) my KD ratio is the sacrificial goat for the win.

PC is nothing compared to corp battles and those are long gone, those were highly competitive.

heres my take on what u should be

logi = .70 any less is bad or 0 if all possible :P u need to be giving me ammo and leaving uplinks not killing >:(
assault = 1.5-1.6 if u are lower than that u need to rethink how u r playing the game
heavy = 1.5 any lower is a bad thing u need to survive for the team just to detour people
scout shotgun/mass driver = 1.0 its a hard job but u need to atleast have a kill for a kill u r key to flanking and taking out entire groups or disrupting the enemy
sniper = I could care less lol u never do anything to help the team

Really? Can anyone confirm this?