You're right - it's too OP. As a sneaky scout about 35-40% of the time, I think you are asking too much.

I been playing scout with a shotty and knives and out of all these the only ones I like are the 10% behind the back one lol and the cpu and pg boost even if slightly.

No, just make them faster and stealthier. Speed and stealth kills.

+1 OP ... thanks for the love.
Some really good ideas, by the way.
I'd be thrilled if CCP implemented any of them; though all of them would likely be a 'bit too much.

As for "Shared Vision" for Scouts ... I'm very strongly opposed.
If I want to share what I see, I'll describe it on coms or pop it with my Scanner.
The last thing I need is EZ Mode shooting their ARs over my shoulder as I try to sneak up behind a target.

"Shared Vision" for Scouts is a buff to non-Scouts.
Which is why the non-Scouts get behind it.
-1, EZ Mode. A big -1.

What about having that be an option then? Do you want your scout to share info with the team or not. This could cater to whatever playstyle

As is, the majority of CQC Scouts run Scanners.
Scan-Assisted WPs means even more Scouts will run a Scanner.
Two equipment slots (and enough CPU/PG to use something) would mean nearly all Scouts would run a Scanners.

Shared Vision would be redundant, if included alongside a second equipment slot.

Your scanner isn't always out, i'm just saying, don't you'd think it would be nice to have the option.

Ridiculous suggestions, increased stamina so they actually could run for days since they are supposed to travel light anyway and reworking the hack timers based on suits so scouts get second fastest hacks behind logis would be drastic improvements

Question though, why do you guys always keep asking for more equipment slots if a scout is supposed to be a light quick moving thing

First off, scouts are Sneaky CQC only fighters, (except for snipers) lets give an extra 5% damage bonus to shotguns and Side Arms (including nova knives) within 20 meters, and a bonus to sniper damage by about 5% at any range.

That and there current scout bonus as well.

In my own opinion i want the scout suits to be very effective in CQC. I want them to be able to play that hit and run strategy very effectively.

That extra damage boost would be very good for that strategy.


Lets give them 20% more PG and CPU all around.

2 equipment slots.

1 extra slot per suit, most likely an extra low on minnie and an extra high on Gallante

Time for some special scout abilities.

Scouts can be the only suit in the game that shares passive radar with his/her squadmates.

No fall damage at all.
nope

No auto aim when shooting scouts. But only if there profile dampening is at a certain level. I don't know what a good level for that would be.

scouts get a 15 wp bonus if someone they have passively scanned or actively scanned gets killed by a squadmate.

if scouts kill an enemy that never got a sight on them then they get a 20% wp bonus with that kill.

Scouts do 10% more damage by shooting someone in the back.




Some of these seem slightly OP, but when your the weakest suit in the game, you need to put damage out quickly

To answer your question directly, speed doesn't matter versus today's omnipotent, aim-assisted AR.

The last time Scouts were balanced was in Chromosome, when speed did in fact matter.
Some would say Scouts were OP, citing their ability speed tank and evade fire in close quarters.
To these claimants I'd ask, if the Scout were OP why was his KDR so comparatively low to other frames?

For whatever reason -- likely a result of AR-514's QQ -- Scouts were nerfed across a variety of metrics in Uprising:

Decreased Stamina
Decreased Speed
Decreased Slot Configs
Decreased Equipment Slots
Decreased eHP
Decreased PG/CPU
Decreased Base Scan Radius
Decreased Evasive Capability
Decreased OHK Potential

As you can see, we've lost alot of ground.
A return to Chromosome standards would be ideal, but we'd settle for less.

Many of us are concerned that "hiding better" is all CCP has in store for us.
So we ask for things that'd actually help, like getting back a second equipment slot.

- Shotty GoBang

* Decrease our scan profile from 45 to 40 db
* Add an extra equipment slot
* Increase scan range from 10m to 20m
* Decrease our scan precision to 40 db
* Increase base speed
* Give us a bit more CPU/PG
* Allow scouts to share enemy locations

* Change ADV Gal Scout from 2H/2L to 1H/3L

* Begin adding actual E-War equipment & Stealth

The top group would make scouts do very well at their intended roles without limiting the other classes. The gal scout change is something that would allow the gal scout to play more like a gal scout. And the last point is what CCP needs to do in the future to expand on the scout role.

they can't be much faster without putting in more hit detection problems and chugging the console a little to much.

There already very sneaky, and reducing the profile of your suit is almost pointless unless you can get below the i believe 15 DB scanner? I might be wrong but i know there is a scanner impossible to be undetected by

Hmm I see
1) What do you say though that generally speaking a scout is supposed to be the hidey sneaky class
2) and if you wanted to be kicking down doors its not the right frame to use and
3) complaining you cant be invincible while running since
4) hit detection is now much better and
5) complaining you cant one hit kill everyone makes you sound a bit ridiculous

First off, blah blah blah blah

I'm actually a fan of all suits sharing passive scans. Not the visual scans just the 10m radius ones.

That way anyone that fits the modules and trains the skills can be useful to their squad. With Gal scouts having their innate advantage.

Either that or a module that shares your passive scans with the squad.

What is this Heavy doing yammering on about what a Scout should be. The Heavy threads be thattaway! Now git! Kidding N1ck! But seriously...Kidding. Or am I?

First off, scouts are Sneaky CQC only fighters, (except for snipers) lets give an extra 5% damage bonus to shotguns and Side Arms (including nova knives) within 20 meters, and a bonus to sniper damage by about 5% at any range.

That and there current scout bonus as well.

In my own opinion i want the scout suits to be very effective in CQC. I want them to be able to play that hit and run strategy very effectively.

That extra damage boost would be very good for that strategy.


Lets give them 20% more PG and CPU all around.

2 equipment slots.

1 extra slot per suit, most likely an extra low on minnie and an extra high on Gallante

Time for some special scout abilities.

Scouts can be the only suit in the game that shares passive radar with his/her squadmates.

No fall damage at all.

No auto aim when shooting scouts. But only if there profile dampening is at a certain level. I don't know what a good level for that would be.

scouts get a 15 wp bonus if someone they have passively scanned or actively scanned gets killed by a squadmate.

if scouts kill an enemy that never got a sight on them then they get a 20% wp bonus with that kill.

Scouts do 10% more damage by shooting someone in the back.




Some of these seem slightly OP, but when your the weakest suit in the game, you need to put damage out quickly

So you are all for adding another role that a logi can do better than everyone. look up what kind of precision a logi can get to. You now just added a logi passive scanner to the rest of your assault logi squad and you no longer need an active scanner. not to mention while acting as the best scanner in the game and can be the medic, armor repair and drop nanohives for everyone all while using the super range aim assisted AR all in one fitting.

You want us to do our job then give us paint target. so when i see a tank i can tag it like a squad leader then give me WP when it gets blowed up. painted targets should only be visible to squad and only while i have a direct line of sight. again only if i choose to tag the target

I want to be able to give intel on targets to my squad without the use of the lag mic and it be by choice. my passive scan is mine to help keep me alive. active scanner is a lot cheaper and better than my suit and passive scan not to mention has a better chance of being useful if in the hands of someone with more than 249 eHP after all the AR is the new fully auto sniper with aim-assist.

It should still take effort to beat prototype scanner. Just not much for a proto scout. Maybe one basic or enhanced profile damp to beat the normal proto scanner and a complex or two to beat the precision one.

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Let me let you in on a little secret. Gal scout has no innate advantage in scanning. they have range but lack precision. without precision range means nothing.

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Stop it man... you are depressing me.

IOnly thing I would change with ALL scout suits is a like 5% buff to shields,which comes for a 5% Nerf in armor, which ALSO comes with a 5% speed boost. Also, I agree with the scouts sharing scan vision, and I think every suit should get Scanning Assist WP if a scanned enemy gets killed while lit up.

I'm sure I asked this somewhere before....

Why is this? Doesn't a light / scout suit have an innate lower precision than other suits? So doesn't that mean the bare suit without any other modules fitted will, with the exception of other light suits, see every other suit automatically?

Past few times I've seen N1ck, he's been in a Scout suit.

What is this Heavy doing yammering on about what a Scout should be. The Heavy threads be thattaway! Now git!













Kidding N1ck! But seriously...Kidding. Or am I?

i was playing with the std scout suit to get a feel for them and to see if they needed a buff, i could do pretty good in a std suit in almost anything but it's very hard to do as a scout. I do feel like they need some drastic changes. I know playing 15 or 20 games in a scout suit doesn't make me a master but. Good scouts want changes too.

I salute you for giving it a shot. I've been a scout for 9 months now.

I'm so damn tired of it.

i had a lot of fun moving quick. But i felt like i was just quickly moving to my doom 90% of the time