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Awry Barux wrote:

bear90211 wrote:

NIKIA BETHUNE wrote:

Awry Barux wrote:

bear90211 wrote:

at the end of games! a proto suit costs up to 220K(logi's) or an average proto suit costs 140k_170K ISK, the battles only give around 200K (2nd/first place) so, please at least boost it by a 1.5-2X multiplyer, IE 300K-400K for first place or more.

Someone ran out of money failing at protostomping. Run ADV gear or STD for while, deal with it. You're not supposed to be able to run proto 24/7.

I've been running proti gear since I unlocked it 7 months ago. That doeant change the fact the payout is still too low.

it was sorta balanced in 1.2, although PC was in the works and being created, but now all the money IS in PC, thats also a point, look at team players for an example, 15% of molten heath, that equals around 300mill a day of gain, think about that if your rich.

If you've got enough money to run proto continuously for 7 months, how is the payout too low?

As someone who does not PC in the slightest, I think it's totally fair that all the big money is in PC. That requires a level of organization that is deserving of the high payout. If someone is a highly-successful PC-battle-winning merc in a corporation that controls a huge amount of Molden Heath, they deserve that virtual money.

The only possible argument I see for increasing payout in instant battles is to make life more livable for HAV/ADS pilots, but that could be just as easily accomplished with a vehicle price reduction.

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bear90211 Nyain Chan 27	Posted - 2013.09.24 18:56:00 - [1] - Quote at the end of games! a proto suit costs up to 220K(logi's) or an average proto suit costs 140k_170K ISK, the battles only give around 200K (2nd/first place) so, please at least boost it by a 1.5-2X multiplyer, IE 300K-400K for first place or more.
GTA V FTW Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 127	Posted - 2013.09.24 18:57:00 - [2] - Quote bear90211 wrote: at the end of games! a proto suit costs up to 220K(logi's) or an average proto suit costs 140k_170K ISK, the battles only give around 200K (2nd/first place) so, please at least boost it by a 1.5-2X multiplyer, IE 300K-400K for first place or more. Working as intended, don't die as much and or use AUR items instead of ISK items.
Awry Barux Shining Flame Amarr Empire 107	Posted - 2013.09.24 18:58:00 - [3] - Quote bear90211 wrote: at the end of games! a proto suit costs up to 220K(logi's) or an average proto suit costs 140k_170K ISK, the battles only give around 200K (2nd/first place) so, please at least boost it by a 1.5-2X multiplyer, IE 300K-400K for first place or more. Someone ran out of money failing at protostomping. Run ADV gear or STD for while, deal with it. You're not supposed to be able to run proto 24/7.
NIKIA BETHUNE Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 567	Posted - 2013.09.24 18:59:00 - [4] - Quote I agree the only people making isk are the pc players and district holders they need to balance it somewhere
bear90211 Nyain Chan 27	Posted - 2013.09.24 19:00:00 - [5] - Quote AUR items? that costs actual money, and im talking for more than just me, as i dont run proto much, but alot of people do, its a pain to be poor as well.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 3432	Posted - 2013.09.24 19:00:00 - [6] - Quote Disagree. The point of protosuits being expensive is so that they're... you know, expensive? Protostomping would be even worse than it is now for new players if everyone could afford to run proto gear.
NIKIA BETHUNE Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 567	Posted - 2013.09.24 19:00:00 - [7] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: bear90211 wrote: at the end of games! a proto suit costs up to 220K(logi's) or an average proto suit costs 140k_170K ISK, the battles only give around 200K (2nd/first place) so, please at least boost it by a 1.5-2X multiplyer, IE 300K-400K for first place or more. Someone ran out of money failing at protostomping. Run ADV gear or STD for while, deal with it. You're not supposed to be able to run proto 24/7. I've been running proti gear since I unlocked it 7 months ago. That doeant change the fact the payout is still too low.
NIKIA BETHUNE Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 567	Posted - 2013.09.24 19:02:00 - [8] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: bear90211 wrote: at the end of games! a proto suit costs up to 220K(logi's) or an average proto suit costs 140k_170K ISK, the battles only give around 200K (2nd/first place) so, please at least boost it by a 1.5-2X multiplyer, IE 300K-400K for first place or more. Someone ran out of money failing at protostomping. Run ADV gear or STD for while, deal with it. You're not supposed to be able to run proto 24/7. I've been running proto gear since I unlocked it 7 months ago. That doeant change the fact the payout is still too low. This would change if we had a player market.
bear90211 Nyain Chan 27	Posted - 2013.09.24 19:04:00 - [9] - Quote NIKIA BETHUNE wrote: Awry Barux wrote: bear90211 wrote: at the end of games! a proto suit costs up to 220K(logi's) or an average proto suit costs 140k_170K ISK, the battles only give around 200K (2nd/first place) so, please at least boost it by a 1.5-2X multiplyer, IE 300K-400K for first place or more. Someone ran out of money failing at protostomping. Run ADV gear or STD for while, deal with it. You're not supposed to be able to run proto 24/7. I've been running proti gear since I unlocked it 7 months ago. That doeant change the fact the payout is still too low. it was sorta balanced in 1.2, although PC was in the works and being created, but now all the money IS in PC, thats also a point, look at team players for an example, 15% of molten heath, that equals around 300mill a day of gain, think about that if your rich.
Slightly-Mental Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 9	Posted - 2013.09.24 19:06:00 - [10] - Quote NIKIA BETHUNE wrote: I agree the only people making isk are the pc players and district holders they need to balance it somewhere Disagree iam doing ok still in profit even with my failings but i agree though we need a player market

Gorra Snell The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 126	Posted - 2013.09.24 19:07:00 - [11] - Quote The ability to run PRO-level gear all the time defeats the point of the economy...of losing your gear when you die. I'd like to see more ISK sinks in the game, rather than more inflation...
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 8824	Posted - 2013.09.24 19:09:00 - [12] - Quote hmm no... I say lets find more and better ways to spend your isk.
Awry Barux Shining Flame Amarr Empire 110	Posted - 2013.09.24 19:09:00 - [13] - Quote bear90211 wrote: NIKIA BETHUNE wrote: Awry Barux wrote: bear90211 wrote: at the end of games! a proto suit costs up to 220K(logi's) or an average proto suit costs 140k_170K ISK, the battles only give around 200K (2nd/first place) so, please at least boost it by a 1.5-2X multiplyer, IE 300K-400K for first place or more. Someone ran out of money failing at protostomping. Run ADV gear or STD for while, deal with it. You're not supposed to be able to run proto 24/7. I've been running proti gear since I unlocked it 7 months ago. That doeant change the fact the payout is still too low. it was sorta balanced in 1.2, although PC was in the works and being created, but now all the money IS in PC, thats also a point, look at team players for an example, 15% of molten heath, that equals around 300mill a day of gain, think about that if your rich. If you've got enough money to run proto continuously for 7 months, how is the payout too low? As someone who does not PC in the slightest, I think it's totally fair that all the big money is in PC. That requires a level of organization that is deserving of the high payout. If someone is a highly-successful PC-battle-winning merc in a corporation that controls a huge amount of Molden Heath, they deserve that virtual money. The only possible argument I see for increasing payout in instant battles is to make life more livable for HAV/ADS pilots, but that could be just as easily accomplished with a vehicle price reduction.
Synbot Expert Intervention Caldari State 156	Posted - 2013.09.24 19:11:00 - [14] - Quote Lmao a petition for more ISK. lololo
NIKIA BETHUNE Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 567	Posted - 2013.09.24 19:14:00 - [15] - Quote My isk sink is in buying vipers to get revenge on snipers or to kill smartasses on towers. Sigh vipers... blue berries that refuse to get out have cost me quite a few as well.
bear90211 Nyain Chan 27	Posted - 2013.09.24 19:14:00 - [16] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: bear90211 wrote: NIKIA BETHUNE wrote: Awry Barux wrote: bear90211 wrote: at the end of games! a proto suit costs up to 220K(logi's) or an average proto suit costs 140k_170K ISK, the battles only give around 200K (2nd/first place) so, please at least boost it by a 1.5-2X multiplyer, IE 300K-400K for first place or more. Someone ran out of money failing at protostomping. Run ADV gear or STD for while, deal with it. You're not supposed to be able to run proto 24/7. I've been running proti gear since I unlocked it 7 months ago. That doeant change the fact the payout is still too low. it was sorta balanced in 1.2, although PC was in the works and being created, but now all the money IS in PC, thats also a point, look at team players for an example, 15% of molten heath, that equals around 300mill a day of gain, think about that if your rich. If you've got enough money to run proto continuously for 7 months, how is the payout too low? As someone who does not PC in the slightest, I think it's totally fair that all the big money is in PC. That requires a level of organization that is deserving of the high payout. If someone is a highly-successful PC-battle-winning merc in a corporation that controls a huge amount of Molden Heath, they deserve that virtual money. The only possible argument I see for increasing payout in instant battles is to make life more livable for HAV/ADS pilots, but that could be just as easily accomplished with a vehicle price reduction. I am an HAV driver, i like the idea of a price reduction, esspecialy for litteraly useless enforcer HAV's, and almost no one uses them because thay are slow and have less PG/CPU and costs 6 times more than a normal tank..
Skipper Jones Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 784	Posted - 2013.09.24 19:14:00 - [17] - Quote As much as I love isk, jus stop running proto if you can't afford it. If you can afford proto 24/7, then WHY ARE YOU COMPLAINING?????? Caps lock ftw
bear90211 Nyain Chan 27	Posted - 2013.09.24 19:23:00 - [18] - Quote BTW.. who dosent want more ISK? ISK FTW
Everything Dies Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 118	Posted - 2013.09.24 19:49:00 - [19] - Quote Here's the problem: The players that can afford to run proto suits all the time are those are actively participating in Corporations/PC; these are generally the best players and they like to roam in packs...meaning lots and lots of deaths for the opponent. An opponent that is probably still running around in standard gear and asking for Isk in local chat channels due to the fact that they're dying 15 times a game and can't afford to suit up in anything more expensive. Personally, the lack of Isk rewards means that I no longer run a proto suit if I plan on engaging in direct combat (I still use it for sniper/AV builds for the increased slots.) My "best match" in my proto suit was something like 13 kills/8 assists/4 deaths--I received about 200k Isk for the match, a net loss of about 250k. Now I run a 15k-ish suit and hope for the best. It's actually kind of ridiculous that so much of the game is built around the concept of grinding for better skills/weapons, then actively dissuades you from reaping the rewards. Summary: The people that can benefit the most from the proto gear are the ones that will likely struggle to afford it. The people that don't need proto gear, however, can run it almost non-stop.
Poonmunch Sanguis Defense Syndicate 399	Posted - 2013.09.24 20:07:00 - [20] - Quote GTA V FTW wrote: Working as intended, don't die as much and or use AUR items instead of ISK items. I like the "use AUR" part. If he can't manage in-game ISK, he'll break his own real-life bank account that way. Munch

Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1685	Posted - 2013.09.24 20:22:00 - [21] - Quote At its base I think you make something like 50-100 isk/ second regardless of performance in game. Then after things are divided up after battle you get your WP portion of the loot. If you got 10% of your team's WP and your team won, and your team gets 2 million in loot, then you will get 200k in earnings + 75k ish from 'attendence'. I really don't think people lose MUCH more than 5-6 million between everyone in a whole match. With 6 million, if 75% of clones are killed in a skirmish, that would be an average of 30k isk per suit. If you know your minimum you are guaranteed to make in a normal skirmish match 80-100k isk, that should start to determine the maximum that you are prepared to lose. Risking 5 to 10 times what you could possibly make from a public match doesn't make sense.
MassiveNine Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 212	Posted - 2013.09.24 20:52:00 - [22] - Quote You can get more isk in games, just last night I got 500k in one game. All it took was 6 tanks to die from my forge.
Bartimaeus of Achura Cassardis 41	Posted - 2013.09.24 20:58:00 - [23] - Quote I believe everything is as intended if they increase the net income of players than they will also increase the amount of proto-pub-stomping players not to mention the increase in the amount of tanks....
Bartimaeus of Achura Cassardis 41	Posted - 2013.09.24 21:00:00 - [24] - Quote Bartimaeus of Achura wrote: I believe everything is as intended if they increase the net income of players than they will also increase the amount of proto-pub-stomping players not to mention the increase in the amount of tanks.... though I believe that a increase of gross income by about 5m isk could help the game blend with eve. ( though for obvious reasons they are not going to do this )
low genius the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance 476	Posted - 2013.09.24 21:06:00 - [25] - Quote you're not supposed to run proto in pick up matches.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 914	Posted - 2013.09.24 21:14:00 - [26] - Quote The only reason I see the small payouts as a problem is this: The large PC corps can use their PC earnings to fund their Protostomping in pubs and FW. This means for other Corps/Squads/Teams/Players to even have a chance at enjoying the game, they have to use proto as well. The large PC corps don't care about taking a loss in pubs/FW because they know they will make it back in PC or simply petition their Corp for more isk. The smaller Corps and solo players my not have this option, or at least not to the extent of the larger corps. This will create a large insurmountable divide in the player base. You will end up with the very rich getting richer, while the poor continuously struggle to so much as break even. Some solutions would be to expand PC into more systems, to implement PvE, to implement High/Med/Low Sec Battles with gear restrictions, or the reintroduction of the old Corp Battles of Chromosome, where one corp could fight another corp directly. Any or all of these would alleviate the situation.
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 267	Posted - 2013.09.24 21:34:00 - [27] - Quote While I have had proto for ages I rarely use them. Generally my ADV suit runs 35K, I can die 4-5 times and still come out on top by a few thousand ISK. I've adapted to the new norm of raw HP wins, so not dieing more than 5 times is doable. Still I'd like to run my tanks/ADS more but its terribly hard to turn a profit when your paper thin ADS dies like it's it's job. If existing suits and vehicles can bankrupt a player I can't see how they will release theoretically better vehicles and suits and ever entice anyone to use them when you earn a pittance with existing gear. Mercs in New Eden have to wake up and realize they are suffering death countless times all for what an EVE pilot makes for killing a single battleship in a mission that will net him 6 million alone.
Stevez WingYip Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2013.09.24 21:35:00 - [28] - Quote bear90211 wrote: at the end of games! a proto suit costs up to 220K(logi's) or an average proto suit costs 140k_170K ISK, the battles only give around 200K (2nd/first place) so, please at least boost it by a 1.5-2X multiplyer, IE 300K-400K for first place or more. No. The choice of when to use proto suits is currently one of the last interesting things about this game. You are not supposted to have proto gear every game. Choose when to use them and don't die as much.
Seeth Mensch Damage Core corp. The Superpowers 20	Posted - 2013.09.24 21:36:00 - [29] - Quote OP: No.
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Cult of War 288	Posted - 2013.09.24 21:45:00 - [30] - Quote I would say reward less ISK maybe 80-90% of current if that will lower proto pub stomps



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