DUST Search - [PETITION] GIVE US MORE ISK

Awry Barux wrote:

bear90211 wrote:

NIKIA BETHUNE wrote:

Awry Barux wrote:

bear90211 wrote:

at the end of games! a proto suit costs up to 220K(logi's) or an average proto suit costs 140k_170K ISK, the battles only give around 200K (2nd/first place) so, please at least boost it by a 1.5-2X multiplyer, IE 300K-400K for first place or more.

Someone ran out of money failing at protostomping. Run ADV gear or STD for while, deal with it. You're not supposed to be able to run proto 24/7.

I've been running proti gear since I unlocked it 7 months ago. That doeant change the fact the payout is still too low.

it was sorta balanced in 1.2, although PC was in the works and being created, but now all the money IS in PC, thats also a point, look at team players for an example, 15% of molten heath, that equals around 300mill a day of gain, think about that if your rich.

If you've got enough money to run proto continuously for 7 months, how is the payout too low?

As someone who does not PC in the slightest, I think it's totally fair that all the big money is in PC. That requires a level of organization that is deserving of the high payout. If someone is a highly-successful PC-battle-winning merc in a corporation that controls a huge amount of Molden Heath, they deserve that virtual money.

The only possible argument I see for increasing payout in instant battles is to make life more livable for HAV/ADS pilots, but that could be just as easily accomplished with a vehicle price reduction.

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bear90211 Nyain Chan 27	Posted - 2013.09.24 18:56:00 - [1] - Quote at the end of games! a proto suit costs up to 220K(logi's) or an average proto suit costs 140k_170K ISK, the battles only give around 200K (2nd/first place) so, please at least boost it by a 1.5-2X multiplyer, IE 300K-400K for first place or more.
GTA V FTW Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 127	Posted - 2013.09.24 18:57:00 - [2] - Quote bear90211 wrote: at the end of games! a proto suit costs up to 220K(logi's) or an average proto suit costs 140k_170K ISK, the battles only give around 200K (2nd/first place) so, please at least boost it by a 1.5-2X multiplyer, IE 300K-400K for first place or more. Working as intended, don't die as much and or use AUR items instead of ISK items.
Awry Barux Shining Flame Amarr Empire 107	Posted - 2013.09.24 18:58:00 - [3] - Quote bear90211 wrote: at the end of games! a proto suit costs up to 220K(logi's) or an average proto suit costs 140k_170K ISK, the battles only give around 200K (2nd/first place) so, please at least boost it by a 1.5-2X multiplyer, IE 300K-400K for first place or more. Someone ran out of money failing at protostomping. Run ADV gear or STD for while, deal with it. You're not supposed to be able to run proto 24/7.
NIKIA BETHUNE Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 567	Posted - 2013.09.24 18:59:00 - [4] - Quote I agree the only people making isk are the pc players and district holders they need to balance it somewhere
bear90211 Nyain Chan 27	Posted - 2013.09.24 19:00:00 - [5] - Quote AUR items? that costs actual money, and im talking for more than just me, as i dont run proto much, but alot of people do, its a pain to be poor as well.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 3432	Posted - 2013.09.24 19:00:00 - [6] - Quote Disagree. The point of protosuits being expensive is so that they're... you know, expensive? Protostomping would be even worse than it is now for new players if everyone could afford to run proto gear.
NIKIA BETHUNE Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 567	Posted - 2013.09.24 19:00:00 - [7] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: bear90211 wrote: at the end of games! a proto suit costs up to 220K(logi's) or an average proto suit costs 140k_170K ISK, the battles only give around 200K (2nd/first place) so, please at least boost it by a 1.5-2X multiplyer, IE 300K-400K for first place or more. Someone ran out of money failing at protostomping. Run ADV gear or STD for while, deal with it. You're not supposed to be able to run proto 24/7. I've been running proti gear since I unlocked it 7 months ago. That doeant change the fact the payout is still too low.
NIKIA BETHUNE Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 567	Posted - 2013.09.24 19:02:00 - [8] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: bear90211 wrote: at the end of games! a proto suit costs up to 220K(logi's) or an average proto suit costs 140k_170K ISK, the battles only give around 200K (2nd/first place) so, please at least boost it by a 1.5-2X multiplyer, IE 300K-400K for first place or more. Someone ran out of money failing at protostomping. Run ADV gear or STD for while, deal with it. You're not supposed to be able to run proto 24/7. I've been running proto gear since I unlocked it 7 months ago. That doeant change the fact the payout is still too low. This would change if we had a player market.
bear90211 Nyain Chan 27	Posted - 2013.09.24 19:04:00 - [9] - Quote NIKIA BETHUNE wrote: Awry Barux wrote: bear90211 wrote: at the end of games! a proto suit costs up to 220K(logi's) or an average proto suit costs 140k_170K ISK, the battles only give around 200K (2nd/first place) so, please at least boost it by a 1.5-2X multiplyer, IE 300K-400K for first place or more. Someone ran out of money failing at protostomping. Run ADV gear or STD for while, deal with it. You're not supposed to be able to run proto 24/7. I've been running proti gear since I unlocked it 7 months ago. That doeant change the fact the payout is still too low. it was sorta balanced in 1.2, although PC was in the works and being created, but now all the money IS in PC, thats also a point, look at team players for an example, 15% of molten heath, that equals around 300mill a day of gain, think about that if your rich.
Slightly-Mental Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 9	Posted - 2013.09.24 19:06:00 - [10] - Quote NIKIA BETHUNE wrote: I agree the only people making isk are the pc players and district holders they need to balance it somewhere Disagree iam doing ok still in profit even with my failings but i agree though we need a player market

Gorra Snell The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 126	Posted - 2013.09.24 19:07:00 - [11] - Quote The ability to run PRO-level gear all the time defeats the point of the economy...of losing your gear when you die. I'd like to see more ISK sinks in the game, rather than more inflation...
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 8824	Posted - 2013.09.24 19:09:00 - [12] - Quote hmm no... I say lets find more and better ways to spend your isk.
Awry Barux Shining Flame Amarr Empire 110	Posted - 2013.09.24 19:09:00 - [13] - Quote bear90211 wrote: NIKIA BETHUNE wrote: Awry Barux wrote: bear90211 wrote: at the end of games! a proto suit costs up to 220K(logi's) or an average proto suit costs 140k_170K ISK, the battles only give around 200K (2nd/first place) so, please at least boost it by a 1.5-2X multiplyer, IE 300K-400K for first place or more. Someone ran out of money failing at protostomping. Run ADV gear or STD for while, deal with it. You're not supposed to be able to run proto 24/7. I've been running proti gear since I unlocked it 7 months ago. That doeant change the fact the payout is still too low. it was sorta balanced in 1.2, although PC was in the works and being created, but now all the money IS in PC, thats also a point, look at team players for an example, 15% of molten heath, that equals around 300mill a day of gain, think about that if your rich. If you've got enough money to run proto continuously for 7 months, how is the payout too low? As someone who does not PC in the slightest, I think it's totally fair that all the big money is in PC. That requires a level of organization that is deserving of the high payout. If someone is a highly-successful PC-battle-winning merc in a corporation that controls a huge amount of Molden Heath, they deserve that virtual money. The only possible argument I see for increasing payout in instant battles is to make life more livable for HAV/ADS pilots, but that could be just as easily accomplished with a vehicle price reduction.
Synbot Expert Intervention Caldari State 156	Posted - 2013.09.24 19:11:00 - [14] - Quote Lmao a petition for more ISK. lololo
NIKIA BETHUNE Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 567	Posted - 2013.09.24 19:14:00 - [15] - Quote My isk sink is in buying vipers to get revenge on snipers or to kill smartasses on towers. Sigh vipers... blue berries that refuse to get out have cost me quite a few as well.
bear90211 Nyain Chan 27	Posted - 2013.09.24 19:14:00 - [16] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: bear90211 wrote: NIKIA BETHUNE wrote: Awry Barux wrote: bear90211 wrote: at the end of games! a proto suit costs up to 220K(logi's) or an average proto suit costs 140k_170K ISK, the battles only give around 200K (2nd/first place) so, please at least boost it by a 1.5-2X multiplyer, IE 300K-400K for first place or more. Someone ran out of money failing at protostomping. Run ADV gear or STD for while, deal with it. You're not supposed to be able to run proto 24/7. I've been running proti gear since I unlocked it 7 months ago. That doeant change the fact the payout is still too low. it was sorta balanced in 1.2, although PC was in the works and being created, but now all the money IS in PC, thats also a point, look at team players for an example, 15% of molten heath, that equals around 300mill a day of gain, think about that if your rich. If you've got enough money to run proto continuously for 7 months, how is the payout too low? As someone who does not PC in the slightest, I think it's totally fair that all the big money is in PC. That requires a level of organization that is deserving of the high payout. If someone is a highly-successful PC-battle-winning merc in a corporation that controls a huge amount of Molden Heath, they deserve that virtual money. The only possible argument I see for increasing payout in instant battles is to make life more livable for HAV/ADS pilots, but that could be just as easily accomplished with a vehicle price reduction. I am an HAV driver, i like the idea of a price reduction, esspecialy for litteraly useless enforcer HAV's, and almost no one uses them because thay are slow and have less PG/CPU and costs 6 times more than a normal tank..
Skipper Jones Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 784	Posted - 2013.09.24 19:14:00 - [17] - Quote As much as I love isk, jus stop running proto if you can't afford it. If you can afford proto 24/7, then WHY ARE YOU COMPLAINING?????? Caps lock ftw
bear90211 Nyain Chan 27	Posted - 2013.09.24 19:23:00 - [18] - Quote BTW.. who dosent want more ISK? ISK FTW
Everything Dies Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 118	Posted - 2013.09.24 19:49:00 - [19] - Quote Here's the problem: The players that can afford to run proto suits all the time are those are actively participating in Corporations/PC; these are generally the best players and they like to roam in packs...meaning lots and lots of deaths for the opponent. An opponent that is probably still running around in standard gear and asking for Isk in local chat channels due to the fact that they're dying 15 times a game and can't afford to suit up in anything more expensive. Personally, the lack of Isk rewards means that I no longer run a proto suit if I plan on engaging in direct combat (I still use it for sniper/AV builds for the increased slots.) My "best match" in my proto suit was something like 13 kills/8 assists/4 deaths--I received about 200k Isk for the match, a net loss of about 250k. Now I run a 15k-ish suit and hope for the best. It's actually kind of ridiculous that so much of the game is built around the concept of grinding for better skills/weapons, then actively dissuades you from reaping the rewards. Summary: The people that can benefit the most from the proto gear are the ones that will likely struggle to afford it. The people that don't need proto gear, however, can run it almost non-stop.
Poonmunch Sanguis Defense Syndicate 399	Posted - 2013.09.24 20:07:00 - [20] - Quote GTA V FTW wrote: Working as intended, don't die as much and or use AUR items instead of ISK items. I like the "use AUR" part. If he can't manage in-game ISK, he'll break his own real-life bank account that way. Munch

Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1685	Posted - 2013.09.24 20:22:00 - [21] - Quote At its base I think you make something like 50-100 isk/ second regardless of performance in game. Then after things are divided up after battle you get your WP portion of the loot. If you got 10% of your team's WP and your team won, and your team gets 2 million in loot, then you will get 200k in earnings + 75k ish from 'attendence'. I really don't think people lose MUCH more than 5-6 million between everyone in a whole match. With 6 million, if 75% of clones are killed in a skirmish, that would be an average of 30k isk per suit. If you know your minimum you are guaranteed to make in a normal skirmish match 80-100k isk, that should start to determine the maximum that you are prepared to lose. Risking 5 to 10 times what you could possibly make from a public match doesn't make sense.
MassiveNine Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 212	Posted - 2013.09.24 20:52:00 - [22] - Quote You can get more isk in games, just last night I got 500k in one game. All it took was 6 tanks to die from my forge.
Bartimaeus of Achura Cassardis 41	Posted - 2013.09.24 20:58:00 - [23] - Quote I believe everything is as intended if they increase the net income of players than they will also increase the amount of proto-pub-stomping players not to mention the increase in the amount of tanks....
Bartimaeus of Achura Cassardis 41	Posted - 2013.09.24 21:00:00 - [24] - Quote Bartimaeus of Achura wrote: I believe everything is as intended if they increase the net income of players than they will also increase the amount of proto-pub-stomping players not to mention the increase in the amount of tanks.... though I believe that a increase of gross income by about 5m isk could help the game blend with eve. ( though for obvious reasons they are not going to do this )
low genius the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance 476	Posted - 2013.09.24 21:06:00 - [25] - Quote you're not supposed to run proto in pick up matches.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 914	Posted - 2013.09.24 21:14:00 - [26] - Quote The only reason I see the small payouts as a problem is this: The large PC corps can use their PC earnings to fund their Protostomping in pubs and FW. This means for other Corps/Squads/Teams/Players to even have a chance at enjoying the game, they have to use proto as well. The large PC corps don't care about taking a loss in pubs/FW because they know they will make it back in PC or simply petition their Corp for more isk. The smaller Corps and solo players my not have this option, or at least not to the extent of the larger corps. This will create a large insurmountable divide in the player base. You will end up with the very rich getting richer, while the poor continuously struggle to so much as break even. Some solutions would be to expand PC into more systems, to implement PvE, to implement High/Med/Low Sec Battles with gear restrictions, or the reintroduction of the old Corp Battles of Chromosome, where one corp could fight another corp directly. Any or all of these would alleviate the situation.
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 267	Posted - 2013.09.24 21:34:00 - [27] - Quote While I have had proto for ages I rarely use them. Generally my ADV suit runs 35K, I can die 4-5 times and still come out on top by a few thousand ISK. I've adapted to the new norm of raw HP wins, so not dieing more than 5 times is doable. Still I'd like to run my tanks/ADS more but its terribly hard to turn a profit when your paper thin ADS dies like it's it's job. If existing suits and vehicles can bankrupt a player I can't see how they will release theoretically better vehicles and suits and ever entice anyone to use them when you earn a pittance with existing gear. Mercs in New Eden have to wake up and realize they are suffering death countless times all for what an EVE pilot makes for killing a single battleship in a mission that will net him 6 million alone.
Stevez WingYip Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2013.09.24 21:35:00 - [28] - Quote bear90211 wrote: at the end of games! a proto suit costs up to 220K(logi's) or an average proto suit costs 140k_170K ISK, the battles only give around 200K (2nd/first place) so, please at least boost it by a 1.5-2X multiplyer, IE 300K-400K for first place or more. No. The choice of when to use proto suits is currently one of the last interesting things about this game. You are not supposted to have proto gear every game. Choose when to use them and don't die as much.
Seeth Mensch Damage Core corp. The Superpowers 20	Posted - 2013.09.24 21:36:00 - [29] - Quote OP: No.
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Cult of War 288	Posted - 2013.09.24 21:45:00 - [30] - Quote I would say reward less ISK maybe 80-90% of current if that will lower proto pub stomps

Benjamin Ciscko S.e.V.e.N. 58	Posted - 2013.09.24 21:53:00 - [31] - Quote Give 10-20% extra ISK for what people put on the line that way tanks have to survive one less game to go positive, because there's no way I'm putting the majority of my sp into tanks to use them exclusively in PC.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 142	Posted - 2013.09.24 21:56:00 - [32] - Quote Seriously? This is the second thread like this I've seen this well. It's a new low in QQ: "Please pity me, I can't afford my protostompng habit any more!" You must be joking. More protostomping? Oh hell yes, it sounds so fun, please, sign me up for that! 2 questions: One, what kind of tryhard do you have to be if you are completely unable to play in anything but proto? Afraid your precious KDR will suffer or something? Two, if you have the skill/time invested in this game to have been running proto for 7 months, why are you not in PC? I assume that's where most of the protobears get the ISK they need.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles 120	Posted - 2013.09.24 21:58:00 - [33] - Quote bear90211 wrote: at the end of games! a proto suit costs up to 220K(logi's) or an average proto suit costs 140k_170K ISK, the battles only give around 200K (2nd/first place) so, please at least boost it by a 1.5-2X multiplyer, IE 300K-400K for first place or more. Isk positive in full proto Since chromosome... Though the one shot militia grenade death's no matter what you do and one shot forge deaths... 6 man squad expansion but same warpoint count for orbitals, Still Ambush's after a year where it will spawn you ontop the enemy.. sometimes several times in a row. CCP has installed mechanic's to deliberately kill you more its how you classically compress player skill gaps. Add randomness and death's no one can control. The Isk payout has always been fine... CCP has tweaked the game so you die more. Hit detection was no better or worse in chromosome.. same with TTK... and it's not that funny people.
Everything Dies Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 119	Posted - 2013.09.25 00:56:00 - [34] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: I would say reward less ISK maybe 80-90% of current if that will lower proto pub stomps ...and who is that going to impact more, the vet that's sitting on 200 million ISK, or the newer player that's grinding his way through the game with 2 million in his/her account? Remember, the pub stomping isn't occurring due to one or two players running proto gear--it's when you get the squad(s) of five or six corporate vets that can run out in full proto gear and come away with 80 kills/5 deaths combined. Sure, one or two of them might have a small loss from the battle...but compare that to the poor saps that are just trying to compete and are dying over ten times. The kicker is that it seems to be the more money you have, the easier it is to earn.
Foxbat 072 Oberon Orbital Operations 41	Posted - 2013.09.25 01:01:00 - [35] - Quote http://evangelicaloutpost.com/images/firstworldproblemsgirl.jpg
Kim Jong Kim Tech Guard 12	Posted - 2013.09.25 01:02:00 - [36] - Quote If CCP (For reasons i don't want to know) all of a sudden decide to raise the payouts of the pub matches, then they will have to raise the prices of all the other items on the market and the poor people who have only a few million or hundred thousand to their name will suffer from some proto loving vets.
grunt party Carbon 7 CRONOS. 41	Posted - 2013.09.25 01:08:00 - [37] - Quote your not ment to be able to run proto every game unless u don't die/ have a stock pile of cash
KING CHECKMATE TEAM SATISFACTION 1252	Posted - 2013.09.25 01:19:00 - [38] - Quote bear90211 wrote: at the end of games! a proto suit costs up to 220K(logi's) or an average proto suit costs 140k_170K ISK, the battles only give around 200K (2nd/first place) so, please at least boost it by a 1.5-2X multiplyer, IE 300K-400K for first place or more. Sorry you cant do that.If you give that multiplier,players like me that earn 350-450k per game will start earning 500+k per game. i mean i get games with 450k that would be 900k with you multiplier.I do die about 1 time per game with a proto suit. I could afford around 5 of them with 900k.... Where im going is, Tanks and Proto suits would be more common that they are right now.The current gap between high SP players and low Sp players would expand even more... Im sorry,i disaprove.
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 336	Posted - 2013.09.25 01:22:00 - [39] - Quote NIKIA BETHUNE wrote: I agree the only people making isk are the pc players and district holders they need to balance it somewhere Yes to balance it lets give everyone Proto Gear, then everyone uses it in pub matches thus solving the problem of "Proto" stomping because everyone will be all like "hey we need better gear!" etc. etc.
Shadow Archeus OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 143	Posted - 2013.09.25 01:23:00 - [40] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: hmm no... I say lets find more and better ways to spend your isk. You mean like heavies and scouts right

KING CHECKMATE TEAM SATISFACTION 1252	Posted - 2013.09.25 01:24:00 - [41] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: NIKIA BETHUNE wrote: I agree the only people making isk are the pc players and district holders they need to balance it somewhere Yes to balance it lets give everyone Proto Gear, then everyone uses it in pub matches thus solving the problem of "Proto" stomping because everyone will be all like "hey we need better gear!" etc. etc. Nope.You are making the learning curve harder.The New player input almost zero. -New player starts -Gets out to play skirmish. -Everyone running proto. -Goes 2-35 -Delete Dust. -Good going NIKIA BETHUNE.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1696	Posted - 2013.09.25 01:28:00 - [42] - Quote lol... infantry complaining that their stuff cost to much... proto turret 900k enforcer hull 1.2 million. infantry my whole suit cost a grand total of 140k, less then a standard hull with nothing on it.
fawkuima juggalo Pawns and Kings The Superpowers 37	Posted - 2013.09.25 01:47:00 - [43] - Quote na. He is right we need more isk. It is way unbalanced right now skill v. price and you know im right. If it doesn't change soon then we could have an occupy new eden on our hands.... WE ARE THE 99%
Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 243	Posted - 2013.09.25 02:11:00 - [44] - Quote Everything Dies wrote: Here's the problem: The players that can afford to run proto suits all the time are those are actively participating in Corporations/PC; these are generally the best players and they like to roam in packs...meaning lots and lots of deaths for the opponent. An opponent that is probably still running around in standard gear and asking for Isk in local chat channels due to the fact that they're dying 15 times a game and can't afford to suit up in anything more expensive. Personally, the lack of Isk rewards means that I no longer run a proto suit if I plan on engaging in direct combat (I still use it for sniper/AV builds for the increased slots.) My "best match" in my proto suit was something like 13 kills/8 assists/4 deaths--I received about 200k Isk for the match, a net loss of about 250k. Now I run a 15k-ish suit and hope for the best. It's actually kind of ridiculous that so much of the game is built around the concept of grinding for better skills/weapons, then actively dissuades you from reaping the rewards. Summary: The people that can benefit the most from the proto gear are the ones that will likely struggle to afford it. The people that don't need proto gear, however, can run it almost non-stop. Try the laser. My friends and I killed an entire squad of 6 that kept spawning back due to uplinks. We never died. Just needed a laser and my friend used a militia AR. But they had well under 1200 EHP so yeah... but 2 vs 6 is pretty good since they were coming out from all angles.
ratamaq doc 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 86	Posted - 2013.09.26 02:21:00 - [45] - Quote Edit: sorry wrong thread. Btw, ISK is fine.
Voztron Yozson United Federation Mercenary Coalition 0	Posted - 2013.10.07 05:07:00 - [46] - Quote Payout is way too low. I really love and hate playing this game. It's fun when I'm up against someone I have a chance to compete with. But there is a huge gap that would just take way too long of getting killed game after game to finally be able to enjoy playing. Make 3-4 separate classes so elite can do against elite. If you think you're good enough you can go up and join elite battles as a beginner or mediocre player, your choice but the elite can't go down into lower level battles to basically farm their isk and sp. Levels would make it a lot more fun for all without having to hate playing for a year or two to get to a point you enjoy it because you at least have as many kills as deaths instead of these guys getting 0 kills & 10 deaths. I luckily break even or a little less after four months so it's more enjoyable but I hated logging on to a game I really wanted to love knowing i was doing it just to get SP points and would have to deal with getting slaughtered a couple more months until I could raise enough levels.
Rusty Shallows Black Jackals 420	Posted - 2013.10.07 05:29:00 - [47] - Quote Shadow Archeus wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: hmm no... I say lets find more and better ways to spend your isk. You mean like heavies and scouts right zing Whatever the fourmla for payout it's iditoic. Which is probably why CCP has to hide it in shame. They need to get out PvE so we can farm isk for PvP like people do in Eve Online.
Rusty Shallows Black Jackals 420	Posted - 2013.10.07 05:41:00 - [48] - Quote fawkuima juggalo wrote: na. He is right we need more isk. It is way unbalanced right now skill v. price and you know im right. If it doesn't change soon then we could have an occupy new eden on our hands.... WE ARE THE 99% *facepalm* Skill has little to do with it. While you were in the right topic you missed the relevant point in the comparison. It's about manipulating a system to gain the most benefits without productive talent or economically useful skills. Case in point someone posted a pic of a scoreboard where he AFK-ed and got the number one slot (probably thanks to Uplinks). CCP rewards system needs serious help.


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