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Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
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Posted - 2013.09.24 13:27:00 -
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About the word ***, most people dont use it to discribe gay people.
I point you here |
![Godin Thekiller Godin Thekiller](https://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/img/character_creator/male_gallente_128.jpg)
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
867
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Posted - 2013.09.24 13:28:00 -
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It's a goddamn shame. I wish people wouldn't act like a child. SO what if people's gay? That's there's liking. That's like me not liking carrots as a snack, but liking grapes. |
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Void Echo
Morsus Mihi Aperuitque Imperium
1522
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Posted - 2013.09.24 13:31:00 -
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Iago Templar wrote:I would speak with your Uncle then and ask him how he would react if someone in the street shouts F*G! at him or his partner. Someone shouting that in a game is a similar situation, when you are trying to live your life and someone says horrible things about you in a blatantly nasty manner its a jarring horrible experience.
I have had it a few times in the street, I have even been attacked for holding a boyfriends hand in the street so sometimes if I ask reasonably that people try to understand what it can be like for a gay person to live openly I would hope they would. I am glad that the majority in this thread understand and have stood with me either in giving tacit support to the sentiment of the thread or even liking mine and others posts.
I like to think of playing games as a fun pastime, but if I come in for abuse from someone for being myself, I am who I am after all ;-) then meh I'll mute them and mock them in open channel and report them if they send me hateful messages, then move on to the next round.
Maybe you are correct about the term 'political correctness' though its too loaded a term for knuckle dragging numptys who read and listen to too much right wing media. I'll call it something else then...
How about 'not being a prick'?
Good luck in college, may it open your mind a bit more.
my uncle doesn't care about insults, he knows that people cant harm him by words. its called maturity.
im may come off as a prick but its not my problem. don't like my attitude, don't care. |
![Iago Templar Iago Templar](https://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/img/character_creator/male_minmatar_128.jpg)
Iago Templar
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
29
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Posted - 2013.09.24 13:35:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:It's a goddamn shame. I wish people wouldn't act like a child. SO what if people's gay? That's there's liking. That's like me not liking carrots as a snack, but liking grapes. It's a choice.
While I agree with the meaning behind your comment I would say that its not a choice. ![Lol](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_lol.png) |
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Anarchide
Greedy Bastards
705
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Posted - 2013.09.24 13:44:00 -
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In Greedy Bastards, we accept everyone; no BS, no drama, no harasment.
I often squad with other Corps and I'm glad to say that they are all quality people.
Stay away from the Local Chat! ![Big smile](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_smile-big.png) |
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Iago Templar
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
29
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Posted - 2013.09.24 13:45:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Iago Templar wrote:I would speak with your Uncle then and ask him how he would react if someone in the street shouts F*G! at him or his partner. Someone shouting that in a game is a similar situation, when you are trying to live your life and someone says horrible things about you in a blatantly nasty manner its a jarring horrible experience.
I have had it a few times in the street, I have even been attacked for holding a boyfriends hand in the street so sometimes if I ask reasonably that people try to understand what it can be like for a gay person to live openly I would hope they would. I am glad that the majority in this thread understand and have stood with me either in giving tacit support to the sentiment of the thread or even liking mine and others posts.
I like to think of playing games as a fun pastime, but if I come in for abuse from someone for being myself, I am who I am after all ;-) then meh I'll mute them and mock them in open channel and report them if they send me hateful messages, then move on to the next round.
Maybe you are correct about the term 'political correctness' though its too loaded a term for knuckle dragging numptys who read and listen to too much right wing media. I'll call it something else then...
How about 'not being a prick'?
Good luck in college, may it open your mind a bit more.
my uncle doesn't care about insults, he knows that people cant harm him by words. its called maturity. im may come off as a prick but its not my problem. don't like my attitude, don't care.
Sorry I did not mean for you to think I was calling you a prick, I do not believe you are one I was saying those who use homophobic insults are pricks.
While your uncle may not care about verbal abuse, not tackling the verbal abuse in a game leads to a culture of permissiveness in which people get away with all sorts of horrible trolling and therefore spoiling the experience for all.
By showing someone that abuse in any form be it sexuality, gender or race based is not acceptable and standing up to that person you chip away at an issue that threatens to push a lot of new gamers out of a game or out of the community as a whole. Plus maybe, just maybe you crack the ice of a cold cold heart and show them the world isn't so bad and that hate isn't the answer. *throws flowers and skips away* |
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Jerry Jemmott
Carbon 7 CRONOS.
16
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Posted - 2013.09.24 14:38:00 -
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I always find irony when the losing side is making homophobic comments toward the winner ... history teaches us that fighting abilities have nothing to do with sexual orientation : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_Band_of_Thebes
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low genius
the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance
474
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Posted - 2013.09.24 14:41:00 -
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yeah, the whole 'internet homophobe' routine is tired. |
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Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
982
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Posted - 2013.09.24 23:46:00 -
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I am 100% against any and all slurs and have no time or patience for the people who use them in their everyday speech...
call em out! |
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Aythadis Smith
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
125
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Posted - 2013.09.25 00:00:00 -
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Am I the only one disappointed that the OP has to make a thread about this? |
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Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
440
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Posted - 2013.09.25 00:07:00 -
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If you mail me those players names, I will go out of my way to wreck these so called players.
Whatever happened to just let things be? If someone has a different sexual orientation, than let them. It's not hurting anyone. Like seriously, put yourself in there shoes. Then how would you feel?
http://youtu.be/hlVBg7_08n0
Watch this^^^ |
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Aythadis Smith
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
125
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Posted - 2013.09.25 00:07:00 -
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I just had a conversation with someone I know about what the OP talked about. Using gay sexuality in screaming at a red dot. In so many words he said that he was allowed to talk the way he does because he can, and that person needs to harden up.
I might experiment some more on this idea. on my own |
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Patrick57
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
333
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Posted - 2013.09.25 00:58:00 -
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It is ridiculous that things like this happen in a game. We are all here to have fun. I'm not getting into the whole "it's good/bad to be gay, it's a sin, etc. etc." but bringing things like this to a video game? By all means, OP, call that corp out, there needs to be some kind of consequence for terrible actions such as this. |
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.09.25 01:36:00 -
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Thankfully my corp, and ultimately our whole alliance, has a zero-tolerance policy in regards to this kind of behavior. This is mainly because we want a fun and professional atmosphere for our students and because we have a reputation to uphold as a friendly and neutral training corp. |
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Kigurosaka Laaksonen
DUST University Ivy League
8
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Posted - 2013.09.25 12:36:00 -
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On one hand, someone can try to be offensive. On the other hand, someone can choose to be offended or not.
I'm not sharing my personal life on these forums, suffice it to say when someone calls me an offensive word, I recognize it as petty name calling and treat it as such. I can be offended, or I can easily ignore it. Take responsibility for your decision to be offended.
If you feel at all that this posts 'justifies being an a--hole' then you've misread the post and put words in my mouth, so to say. |
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Kigurosaka Laaksonen
DUST University Ivy League
9
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Posted - 2013.09.25 12:47:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote:If you mail me those players names, I will go out of my way to wreck these so called players. Whatever happened to just let things be? If someone has a different sexual orientation, than let them. It's not hurting anyone. Like seriously, put yourself in there shoes. Then how would you feel? http://youtu.be/hlVBg7_08n0Watch this^^^
Likewise, name calling is not hurting anyone, except in the most juvenile of ways. If someone is an ignorant, hateful, spiteful person that calls others names then, as you say, just let things be. It's not your responsibility to change that person. Honestly, if the absolute worst thing that person does is call you names, they're doing alright.
Again, by way of disclaimer, no where in here am I justifying rude, inconsiderate, malicious, or intentionally hurtful speech or behavior. If that's what you took away from this post, that's squarely on your shoulders. |
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Rei Shepard
Spectre II
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Posted - 2013.09.25 13:03:00 -
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Quote:All was fine till, after a while, he's noticed a large some of the community ( with in game) and with in the corp of some words going around. He doesnt like people screaming F.A.G. in an unfavorable term. As in, you get killed and hear "F'ing F.A.G.". Let me repeat, with in game, he hears people scream this and is getting offended by this. Even from this corp I spoke of earlier.
I am not quite sure why your friend is taking this personel?, its clearly used as a generic term as a "AW CRAP" word and not directed at a gay person? |
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Spycrab Jr
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2013.09.25 13:58:00 -
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Just take the insult like a man and mute them. Nothing to get worked up over. |
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
4277
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Posted - 2013.09.25 18:00:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:Quote:All was fine till, after a while, he's noticed a large some of the community ( with in game) and with in the corp of some words going around. He doesnt like people screaming F.A.G. in an unfavorable term. As in, you get killed and hear "F'ing F.A.G.". Let me repeat, with in game, he hears people scream this and is getting offended by this. Even from this corp I spoke of earlier. I am not quite sure why your friend is taking this personel?, its clearly used as a generic term as a "AW CRAP" word and not directed at a gay person?
Well, you have to consider the fact that no two cultures are alike. Remember, this world is full of different cultures and therefore it is impossible to ever say something like F*G in terms of video gaming and not run into someone who might think you were referring to sexual preference. Kind of like a British person coming to the US and asking someone "would you like to smoke a f*g" and then seeing an American give him a weird look.
Note: In Britain, smoking a f*g means smoking a cigarette. Or at least as far as I know.
And this is just one example of why many corporations in New Eden often have policies regarding certain words. What may seem innocent to you could be offensive to others. The larger the corp, the more strict the policy gets because the more diverse the membership becomes and thus the more likely it is for someone to offend another if such a policy didn't exist already. |
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Gh0st C0de
Spirit Collective
49
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Posted - 2013.09.25 18:29:00 -
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Flamesea wrote:Good clans/corps have..
Rules & Regulations that include Sexual Harassment Policy
"Failure of any member to follow the rules and regulations, regardless of rank, title or tenure, can result in various levels of corrective action by Community leadership. This action can include verbal or written counseling, warning level increase, loss of rank or title, suspension and dishonorable discharge..."
My corp, small though it is, has a clause like this. We go on to include a moratorium on all religiously, ethnically or racially inflammatory rhetoric. We're mostly social scientists and med-students... we really like diversity and civility. Then again, our corp is also adults 20+ only.
As for "girlfriend corp" remarks... my girlfriend is a better FPS player than 'll ever be, she introduced me to the genre. As it seems, misogyny is rampant in teenage boys playing video games, there are studies. It's sad really. |
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
6481
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Posted - 2013.09.25 18:31:00 -
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The word is irrelevant, only the intent.
It sounds like your friend is upsetting himself over something that won't be changed (human nature) |
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
3458
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Posted - 2013.09.25 18:35:00 -
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You know, I expected somewhat advanced QQ from this thread when I clicked it. Instead, I found this. Thank you, OP. +1. Good luck on your journey to find a suitable corp! |
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Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
1433
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Posted - 2013.09.25 18:39:00 -
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The answer to "why should I change the way I talk" is along the lines of "because you are an ignorant racist homophobic redneck *sshole" and the way you speak tells everyone that. |
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Canari Elphus
Pro Hic Immortalis
463
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Posted - 2013.09.25 18:49:00 -
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This is basically boiled down to two parts
Public - In this sense, it will never change. There are no ethics tests that someone needs to pass to be able to play this game. There were always be kids and people with scabbed knuckles that will use any avenue available to them to voice their idiocy. The internet only gives them a facade to hide behind while they do so.
Private (Corp) - This is really up to you and your friend to find a corp that enforces its values. I know many of the top corps take pride in themselves and their leaders enforce such standards. Its just a matter of finding a happy home where you get the respect you deserve.
Personally, I cant claim to be perfect in this regard. It has popped out of my mouth now and again and I have gotten smacked up side the head by my girlfriend when she hears it. I dont mean any hate by it but its hard to catch yourself now and again.
I also agree with Void though. Standing up for yourself and pushing back is the best way to make a bad habit stop. If someone feels foolish for the act, chances are they will try to stop doing it. Strength has nothing to do with sexual orientation. |
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Silas Swakhammer
GamersForChrist Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.25 19:15:00 -
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Gorra Snell wrote:I have nothing to say on this subject that hasn't been said already, but its important, and I'm glad it's being discussed.
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles
125
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Posted - 2013.09.25 19:49:00 -
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ponies test wrote:Alright. THIS wasn't directed TO me, but I was witness to this, and I would call these "KIDS" out, but in all, it would just harm the victim more. But this is something I want to bring to you, the adult side of this community.
I got a friend into this game who is gay. Now, I'm not saying cartwheels, rainbows coming from his arse, but he does enjoy the company of men.
WELL, hes stayed with the game, and enjoyed it properly. Got him self, now, i think close to 12m SP. So, yes, invested some time into this, got him into " my corp" ( I use this term loosely now) and have had some great time.
All was fine till, after a while, he's noticed a large some of the community ( with in game) and with in the corp of some words going around. He doesnt like people screaming F.A.G. in an unfavorable term. As in, you get killed and hear "F'ing F.A.G.". Let me repeat, with in game, he hears people scream this and is getting offended by this. Even from this corp I spoke of earlier.
A town hall meeting has come up and I brought this up. The response "He should learn to HTFU and learn to get over it", to as far as "This is how I talk. If he doesn't like this, he should leave" My response to this was immediately, "You are justifying being an a-hole. You don't want to change how you talk around this guy, but would much rather continue the way you talk, not in regard to how you might actually offend this guy"
Well, you can see how long he stayed with in the corp. I even left friends and family to even follow him on his journey in being blue. And guess what, this wasn't just there, even in other corps, but it did do something.
The previous corp, the group caught wind of why he left, and it had others spool up and raise their hands saying "this also offends me"
One of them was black. I then received a message outside of game saying "F'ng 'n' ( yes, the n-bomb) should learn to grow up, and HTFU because life is unfair, people ingeneral, in the real world are going to talk to him like that and he should just learn to adjust"
This continued back and forth down to it ending in being called a "n-bomb lover" ( please replace n-bomb for a more or less, 6 letter word starting with n, a few g's, and a 'R')
Well, the corp soon got them selves a holding cell for new players, to teach and mold new players. Cohoerted my friend to rejoin, under new management, and rather a good guy did talk him back in, including the black guy from before.
Long story short, someone in that first corp told me they are now planing on closing this previous corp because they let both of these two in, because of how they left this first corp ( which I seen them leave under the terms of "I'm tired of hearing my sexuality being constantly used in a negative text, and treatment of race ( including N-bombing) is not acceptable as an adult."
So, I come to you guys, he doesnt know the corp he is in, is going to nuke, and take out some rather good names from the corp as...as far as I can tell, because of being a child.
So I ask you, was anyone being in the wrong here? Should I make this corp public ( I won't but I gotta ask)
I'm just left baffled, that someone can confront another, asking them to quit and they can just "I don't want to change, it is YOU that has to change"
I felt I needed to share and start making this public.
TL;DR crowd
Calling that red dot that gunned you down a "gay" can offend people in your squad. And has, and has escalated to an almost ridiculous point that, I want this a little out there.
I think Macklemore wrote a song about it... This is a societal issue,
The people pioneering for that part of equality in society against government's and power block's don't get offended in general by people having that word in their vocabulary and using it as such. They went through much worse in their life struggle, that a little word doesn't impose that much power on their emotion's...
Stop giving power to a word... its just that... a word. |
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Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
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Posted - 2013.09.25 20:06:00 -
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It's hard to treat a word as "just a word" when it has a boatload of history weighing it down... |
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INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC
TIRANNY OF EVIL MEN
55
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Posted - 2013.09.25 20:35:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:Call 'em out.
They have no problem voicing their opinion to one of us, why not everyone? They should be just as proud of who they are in their bigotry. Let me be the first to say that I use the word gay in game when I die in a way I view as soft,, weak, or with feminine traits, I will not apologize for this as it has no direct derogatory insinuation toward someone who is gay, nor do gays own the rights to the word gay. As a matter of fact most of this post is gay...... There is some validity where personal attacks are concerned but this is within a corp surely they can simply seperate from one another, I mean does this need to be a public debate? I mean name calling? That's where we are? |
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Kaltos Darksbane
KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND Public Disorder.
31
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Posted - 2013.09.26 05:19:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Kaltos Darksbane wrote:This corp should be outed just so others like your friend will know about this beforehand so they can either steer clear or at least be informed if they do join that corp. Ha, but doesn't the OP describe 92 percent of the corporations in New Eden?
I certainly hope not. I believe most corps when he mentions his aversion to this talk and takes it as a personal insult they would kindly apologize and at least attempt to reduce or stop this language in his presence. (Even if they didn't mean it.)
But it seems when he did bring it to this corps attention they specifically attacked his sexual orientation and gave him the age old HTFU. I'm not gay, but even I wouldn't want to be a part of a corp that treats its members that way. |
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
1724
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Posted - 2013.09.26 05:24:00 -
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Honestly, this is why I only corp up with my RL friends.
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