Scan Assisted kills by your squad will net you 15 glorious WP

Scan Assisted kills by your squad will net you 15 glorious WP

What if multiple people have an enemy scanned when he's killed?
What if someone that isn't in your squad kills the red? Do you still get the points even though he didn't benefit from the scan?
What about kill assists from squad members? (assuming non-squad kills don't generate points)

Depending on the details I can easily see random blues just scanning non stop just to get those points.

Does this count for vehicle scanners also?

so stupid.

This only adds further ways for logis being able to WP farm

injector, nano (repairer), scanner = WP farm. 15s will be popping up everywhere, and injectors give 60Wp more than a kill.

Seriously, do you not want anyone to play the objectives? Or do just want people to play one suit and one role and WP farm.

WPs in this game are so messed-up.

so stupid.

This only adds further ways for logis being able to WP farm

injector, nano (repairer), scanner = WP farm. 15s will be popping up everywhere, and injectors give 60Wp more than a kill.

Seriously, do you not want anyone to play the objectives? Or do just want people to play one suit and one role and WP farm.

WPs in this game are so messed-up.

I usually run a scanner on my assault suit. This will give everyone more opportunities to "farm WP".

The thing is you need to be out and actively engaging the other team to get these points. This will not stop anyone from playing any objective, nor will this only benefit just one suit or role.

Scan Assisted kills by your squad will net you 15 glorious WP

Scan Assisted kills by your squad will net you 15 glorious WP

So if thats the case why in pubs do I use a adv min logi suit and not my cal assault suit? Because logi suits are the way to maximise WP which maximises SP

Its not about 'everyone getting more opportunities' its about CCP increasing the number of support ways to get WP which further promotes the logi suit and a certain type of gameplay, rather than promoting a more dynamic type of gameplay via WP, for example playing the objective where you earn WP for defence or attack in a certain radius of an objective.

Not currently but we are adding that functionality (literally) at the moment. You will not have it in the first iteration though.

Not currently but we are adding that functionality (literally) at the moment. You will not have it in the first iteration though.

so stupid.

This only adds further ways for logis being able to WP farm

injector, nano (repairer), scanner = WP farm. 15s will be popping up everywhere, and injectors give 60Wp more than a kill.

Seriously, do you not want anyone to play the objectives? Or do just want people to play one suit and one role and WP farm.

WPs in this game are so messed-up.

Scan Assisted kills by your squad will net you 15 glorious WP

so stupid.

This only adds further ways for logis being able to WP farm

injector, nano (repairer), scanner = WP farm. 15s will be popping up everywhere, and injectors give 60Wp more than a kill.

Seriously, do you not want anyone to play the objectives? Or do just want people to play one suit and one role and WP farm.

WPs in this game are so messed-up.

so stupid.

This only adds further ways for logis being able to WP farm

injector, nano (repairer), scanner = WP farm. 15s will be popping up everywhere, and injectors give 60Wp more than a kill.

Seriously, do you not want anyone to play the objectives? Or do just want people to play one suit and one role and WP farm.

WPs in this game are so messed-up.

#7 Posted: 2013.09.24 04:16 | Report Unlike 2 CCP Wolfman wrote:
Scan Assisted kills by your squad will net you 15 glorious WP

15?! Not going to lie, I was expecting it in the 3-5pt range. I guess it's not that bad. Some calculations:

Ambush: 50*15=750

OMS: 80*15=1200

Skirmish/Domination: 150*15=2250

Ideally Logis wouldn't get tons of WPs from kills, but as long as the Logi suits are on par, if not even better than the Assault suits at the assault role there will be problems with this.

Logi suits need a hard nerf (coming from a Logi) in combination with a slight buff to Assault suits.

I could also see something like soaking up damage as a Sentinel give WP since the ability to get similar amount of WPs as an Assault from kills etc is nearly impossible in the Sentinel's current state (+Assaults can also get WP from their single equipment slot).

Not currently but we are adding that functionality (literally) at the moment. You will not have it in the first iteration though.

Scan Assisted kills by your squad will net you 15 glorious WP

so stupid.

This only adds further ways for logis being able to WP farm

injector, nano (repairer), scanner = WP farm. 15s will be popping up everywhere, and injectors give 60Wp more than a kill.

Seriously, do you not want anyone to play the objectives? Or do just want people to play one suit and one role and WP farm.

WPs in this game are so messed-up.

They're not so much getting a nerf as getting a specialized role. I don't remember where I saw it but Logi's are apparently getting their bonuses changed so that they are more akin to their equipment, rather than the warfaring types they currently are.

Which means we'll probably be seeing the passive +5HP/sec armor repair rate disappearing in place of something... useful.

I think all the complaints about Logi's gaining more WP is unwarranted, honestly. You can have all the WP in the world but it's not going to win you the match. Maybe some of these guys should go check out Ambush again and see how bad it is -not- to get kills.

They're not so much getting a nerf as getting a specialized role. I don't remember where I saw it but Logi's are apparently getting their bonuses changed so that they are more akin to their equipment, rather than the warfaring types they currently are.

Which means we'll probably be seeing the passive +5HP/sec armor repair rate disappearing in place of something... useful.

I think all the complaints about Logi's gaining more WP is unwarranted, honestly. You can have all the WP in the world but it's not going to win you the match. Maybe some of these guys should go check out Ambush again and see how bad it is -not- to get kills.

Scan Assisted kills by your squad will net you 15 glorious WP

so stupid.

This only adds further ways for logis being able to WP farm

injector, nano (repairer), scanner = WP farm. 15s will be popping up everywhere, and injectors give 60Wp more than a kill.

Seriously, do you not want anyone to play the objectives? Or do just want people to play one suit and one role and WP farm.

WPs in this game are so messed-up.

so stupid.

This only adds further ways for logis being able to WP farm

injector, nano (repairer), scanner = WP farm. 15s will be popping up everywhere, and injectors give 60Wp more than a kill.

Seriously, do you not want anyone to play the objectives? Or do just want people to play one suit and one role and WP farm.

WPs in this game are so messed-up.

Not currently but we are adding that functionality (literally) at the moment. You will not have it in the first iteration though.

I like the restriction for squads.
Obviously players who aren't in a squad won't be able to see scan results, so it makes sense.

15 is a good number. 17 or 18 if you have the defend order, and 3 points for the squad leader every scan assist

Okey dokey...

Currently if multiple people scan an enemy they will all get the assist for the kill. Only kills from squad mates will net you WP. Kill assists from squad members will not net you any WP.

seriously , NEVER SPAWN ON AN UPLINK.... EVER
Dont ask for ammo
Dont expect to win running 500m to the objective when you die
Dont use the help of a scan stay away and find you own kills
AND most of all dont expect me to care if you are under fire and need my support cause i'm turning the other way

You and logis are not special snowflakes

I repeat: I use an advanced minmitar logi suit to max WP/ SP in pubs

My suit consists of all the equipment you profess that makes logis a class and special.

Its the default suit to farm WP. Because CCP keeps on making stupid decisions on how WP are earned in this game.

To an earlier poster a squad regularly does 50 kills.

An assault who repeatedly goes 20-0 will still only get 1000 WP. A logi can go 0-20 and still hit 2/3000 WP by using equipment alone. They will have done little to win the game. Hence why logis are rarely seen in PC.

The incentives of gameplay are wrong

Okay...I thought active scanners went to the whole tacnet system, so that everyone on your team would see the people that are scanned. I like the idea and all of scanned people being killed=points for you, however, this seems to be rather...lacking in sight. I am on a team, my squad is part of that team, while should we be treated like we are one 3 or more different teams when scans are being done? Also with how the squad system is set up, I honestly have a hard time going into a pub and actually finding a squad with 4-6 people, and more then half the time the leader doesn't even know how to give squad commands. Even if the squad leader and squad is good, the team sucks, the squad gets split up often enough to defend multiple objectives when in skirmish. In ambush we often times can be put a whole map distance apart, aka scanner point=0.

To summarize my points.
1. Fix the squad system and make it easier to form squads/faster.
2. Scanned kills should be for anyone that is killed during your scan, however, a point reduction if not on your squad, instead of 15 points for the kill you get 3, a token amount of points.
3. Fix spawn in locations on ambush please.
4. This is a team based game, not a squad based game, so stop giving people more reasons to just pub stomp.

Okay...I thought active scanners went to the whole tacnet system, so that everyone on your team would see the people that are scanned. I like the idea and all of scanned people being killed=points for you, however, this seems to be rather...lacking in sight. I am on a team, my squad is part of that team, while should we be treated like we are one 3 or more different teams when scans are being done? Also with how the squad system is set up, I honestly have a hard time going into a pub and actually finding a squad with 4-6 people, and more then half the time the leader doesn't even know how to give squad commands. Even if the squad leader and squad is good, the team sucks, the squad gets split up often enough to defend multiple objectives when in skirmish. In ambush we often times can be put a whole map distance apart, aka scanner point=0.

To summarize my points.
1. Fix the squad system and make it easier to form squads/faster.
2. Scanned kills should be for anyone that is killed during your scan, however, a point reduction if not on your squad, instead of 15 points for the kill you get 3, a token amount of points.
3. Fix spawn in locations on ambush please.
4. This is a team based game, not a squad based game, so stop giving people more reasons to just pub stomp.

This is NOT the case. Active scans go out to the ENTIRE team, regardless of whether the scanner is in any form of squad or not. "Obviously"...

1. Forming a squad with randoms while waiting on the warbarge is definitely not the way to go if you want a decent squad. Look to your corp or one of the good public channels to squad up before you go into battle. I avoid invites from randoms like the plague that they are.

2. Lone wolves won't be getting WP for scanning. As a lone wolf I'm oddly OK with that. More incentive to actually squad up. Condor Squad!

3. Uplinks. 'Nuff said.

4. I've had the same concerns about squad versus team. Maybe the system should work differently in PC versus other contract types. I'm hoping that when the commander system is rolled out multiple squads can be linked as a true team and the current squad benefits will then apply. Current teams are mostly just random squads and solo mercs thrown together. Maybe their concept is the squad leader is the TacNet hub and we just don't have a team leader to link the squads yet.