DUST Search - Scanner leading to a kill

xAckie wrote:

Talos Alomar wrote:

xAckie wrote:

so stupid.

This only adds further ways for logis being able to WP farm

injector, nano (repairer), scanner = WP farm. 15s will be popping up everywhere, and injectors give 60Wp more than a kill.

Seriously, do you not want anyone to play the objectives? Or do just want people to play one suit and one role and WP farm.

WPs in this game are so messed-up.

I usually run a scanner on my assault suit. This will give everyone more opportunities to "farm WP".

The thing is you need to be out and actively engaging the other team to get these points. This will not stop anyone from playing any objective, nor will this only benefit just one suit or role.

So if thats the case why in pubs do I use a adv min logi suit and not my cal assault suit? Because logi suits are the way to maximise WP which maximises SP

Its not about 'everyone getting more opportunities' its about CCP increasing the number of support ways to get WP which further promotes the logi suit and a certain type of gameplay, rather than promoting a more dynamic type of gameplay via WP, for example playing the objective where you earn WP for defence or attack in a certain radius of an objective.

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kickin six Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.09.24 02:28:00 - [1] - Quote Great work on the scanners. It would be cool to get a modest point amount for a scan that leads directly to a kill. Not sure how that would work actually but time spent scanning is time not shooting. Maybe a scanner that can track one target and if during the visible duration they're killed then 10 or 20 points go the scanner's way. Just a thought. Thanks.
low genius the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance 472	Posted - 2013.09.24 02:46:00 - [2] - Quote it's being worked on as we speak.
JaCk DeMoNLaPs Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.09.24 02:50:00 - [3] - Quote MAYBE IN THE FUTURE WILL LAUNCH FOR SOME MULTI- SCAN ~

CCP Wolfman C C P C C P Alliance 2360	Posted - 2013.09.24 03:40:00 - [4] - Quote Scan Assisted kills by your squad will net you 15 glorious WP

Garth Mandra The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 121	Posted - 2013.09.24 03:50:00 - [5] - Quote What if multiple people have an enemy scanned when he's killed? What if someone that isn't in your squad kills the red? Do you still get the points even though he didn't benefit from the scan? What about kill assists from squad members? (assuming non-squad kills don't generate points) Depending on the details I can easily see random blues just scanning non stop just to get those points.
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 824	Posted - 2013.09.24 04:03:00 - [6] - Quote CCP Wolfman wrote: Scan Assisted kills by your squad will net you 15 glorious WP Woot! Let the OB assist train begin!
Vulpes Dolosus Neanderthal Nation Public Disorder. 63	Posted - 2013.09.24 04:16:00 - [7] - Quote CCP Wolfman wrote: Scan Assisted kills by your squad will net you 15 glorious WP 15?! Not going to lie, I was expecting it in the 3-5pt range. I guess it's not that bad. Some calculations: Ambush: 5015=750 OMS: 8015=1200 Skirmish/Domination: 150*15=2250 This assumes that not only you scan every kill, but your squad mates get the kills as well. Realistically, I see getting a few hundred WP per match with regular sensible use, putting it on par with or below other equipment. I can't really disagree with this.
Sgt Buttscratch SLAPHAPPY BANDITS 813	Posted - 2013.09.24 04:54:00 - [8] - Quote Does this count for vehicle scanners also?

CCP Wolfman C C P C C P Alliance 2383	Posted - 2013.09.24 07:56:00 - [9] - Quote Garth Mandra wrote: What if multiple people have an enemy scanned when he's killed? What if someone that isn't in your squad kills the red? Do you still get the points even though he didn't benefit from the scan? What about kill assists from squad members? (assuming non-squad kills don't generate points) Depending on the details I can easily see random blues just scanning non stop just to get those points. Okey dokey... Currently if multiple people scan an enemy they will all get the assist for the kill. Only kills from squad mates will net you WP. Kill assists from squad members will not net you any WP.


CCP Wolfman C C P C C P Alliance 2383	Posted - 2013.09.24 07:58:00 - [10] - Quote Sgt Buttscratch wrote: Does this count for vehicle scanners also? Not currently but we are adding that functionality (literally) at the moment. You will not have it in the first iteration though.


xAckie Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 359	Posted - 2013.09.24 09:33:00 - [11] - Quote so stupid. This only adds further ways for logis being able to WP farm injector, nano (repairer), scanner = WP farm. 15s will be popping up everywhere, and injectors give 60Wp more than a kill. Seriously, do you not want anyone to play the objectives? Or do just want people to play one suit and one role and WP farm. WPs in this game are so messed-up.
SirManBoy Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 277	Posted - 2013.09.24 09:43:00 - [12] - Quote xAckie wrote: so stupid. This only adds further ways for logis being able to WP farm injector, nano (repairer), scanner = WP farm. 15s will be popping up everywhere, and injectors give 60Wp more than a kill. Seriously, do you not want anyone to play the objectives? Or do just want people to play one suit and one role and WP farm. WPs in this game are so messed-up. So sorry, Trigger Pull Tommy. Given your amazingly dynamic playstyle, I can see how you would feel victimized. Care for a kleenex to wipe your tears, or perhaps some cheese to go along with your wine (I really mean whine). Team Logi for life!
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1541	Posted - 2013.09.24 09:57:00 - [13] - Quote xAckie wrote: so stupid. This only adds further ways for logis being able to WP farm injector, nano (repairer), scanner = WP farm. 15s will be popping up everywhere, and injectors give 60Wp more than a kill. Seriously, do you not want anyone to play the objectives? Or do just want people to play one suit and one role and WP farm. WPs in this game are so messed-up. I usually run a scanner on my assault suit. This will give everyone more opportunities to "farm WP". The thing is you need to be out and actively engaging the other team to get these points. This will not stop anyone from playing any objective, nor will this only benefit just one suit or role.
xAckie Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 359	Posted - 2013.09.24 10:34:00 - [14] - Quote Talos Alomar wrote: xAckie wrote: so stupid. This only adds further ways for logis being able to WP farm injector, nano (repairer), scanner = WP farm. 15s will be popping up everywhere, and injectors give 60Wp more than a kill. Seriously, do you not want anyone to play the objectives? Or do just want people to play one suit and one role and WP farm. WPs in this game are so messed-up. I usually run a scanner on my assault suit. This will give everyone more opportunities to "farm WP". The thing is you need to be out and actively engaging the other team to get these points. This will not stop anyone from playing any objective, nor will this only benefit just one suit or role. So if thats the case why in pubs do I use a adv min logi suit and not my cal assault suit? Because logi suits are the way to maximise WP which maximises SP Its not about 'everyone getting more opportunities' its about CCP increasing the number of support ways to get WP which further promotes the logi suit and a certain type of gameplay, rather than promoting a more dynamic type of gameplay via WP, for example playing the objective where you earn WP for defence or attack in a certain radius of an objective.
kickin six Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.09.24 10:34:00 - [15] - Quote CCP Wolfman wrote: Scan Assisted kills by your squad will net you 15 glorious WP Great work as always. Cheers
Rogue Saint Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse 243	Posted - 2013.09.24 11:11:00 - [16] - Quote CCP Wolfman wrote: Scan Assisted kills by your squad will net you 15 glorious WP Yay!! This is awesome, I seem to have my scanner in my grubby mitts all the time...
Skihids Bullet Cluster 2164	Posted - 2013.09.24 11:14:00 - [17] - Quote xAckie wrote: Talos Alomar wrote: xAckie wrote: so stupid. This only adds further ways for logis being able to WP farm injector, nano (repairer), scanner = WP farm. 15s will be popping up everywhere, and injectors give 60Wp more than a kill. Seriously, do you not want anyone to play the objectives? Or do just want people to play one suit and one role and WP farm. WPs in this game are so messed-up. I usually run a scanner on my assault suit. This will give everyone more opportunities to "farm WP". The thing is you need to be out and actively engaging the other team to get these points. This will not stop anyone from playing any objective, nor will this only benefit just one suit or role. So if thats the case why in pubs do I use a adv min logi suit and not my cal assault suit? Because logi suits are the way to maximise WP which maximises SP Its not about 'everyone getting more opportunities' its about CCP increasing the number of support ways to get WP which further promotes the logi suit and a certain type of gameplay, rather than promoting a more dynamic type of gameplay via WP, for example playing the objective where you earn WP for defence or attack in a certain radius of an objective. And how does using a scanner to detect reds sneaking up on your position deter playing an objective? How does alerting you to a red to go kill hurt your play style?
pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES 1024	Posted - 2013.09.24 11:15:00 - [18] - Quote CCP Wolfman wrote: Sgt Buttscratch wrote: Does this count for vehicle scanners also? Not currently but we are adding that functionality (literally) at the moment. You will not have it in the first iteration though. Sigh how hard would it have been to tie the scan function to vehicles. Are you at least going to give wp for remote shield repping like guardian points or repair points to encourage more logistial vehicles? Iv often keot shield havs allive with no reward and tge same for my squadmate when they are repping me .
Sgt Buttscratch SLAPHAPPY BANDITS 815	Posted - 2013.09.24 11:58:00 - [19] - Quote CCP Wolfman wrote: Sgt Buttscratch wrote: Does this count for vehicle scanners also? Not currently but we are adding that functionality (literally) at the moment. You will not have it in the first iteration though. Thats actually very disappointing. I know your putting vehicle fixes back to 2.12 but there are things that are not to hard to implament that need adding atm, more than any corp roles or squad finders. Like vehicle price structure, until the vehicle update comes in all vehicle carcass' and turrets should be reduced by 50%, enforcers need dropping by 1 million ISK, so we can play around with them ithout going broke. WP added for remote reps, spawns, scans. A lil HP/resist buff to tie DS' over. PG buff across the board.
I-Shayz-I Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 958	Posted - 2013.09.24 12:27:00 - [20] - Quote I like the restriction for squads. Obviously players who aren't in a squad won't be able to see scan results, so it makes sense. 15 is a good number. 17 or 18 if you have the defend order, and 3 points for the squad leader every scan assist

Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1108	Posted - 2013.09.24 12:41:00 - [21] - Quote xAckie wrote: so stupid. This only adds further ways for logis being able to WP farm injector, nano (repairer), scanner = WP farm. 15s will be popping up everywhere, and injectors give 60Wp more than a kill. Seriously, do you not want anyone to play the objectives? Or do just want people to play one suit and one role and WP farm. WPs in this game are so messed-up. Ideally Logis wouldn't get tons of WPs from kills, but as long as the Logi suits are on par, if not even better than the Assault suits at the assault role there will be problems with this. Logi suits need a hard nerf (coming from a Logi) in combination with a slight buff to Assault suits. I could also see something like soaking up damage as a Sentinel give WP since the ability to get similar amount of WPs as an Assault from kills etc is nearly impossible in the Sentinel's current state (+Assaults can also get WP from their single equipment slot).
D34NOS MAZDA Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 155	Posted - 2013.09.24 12:49:00 - [22] - Quote CCP Wolfman wrote: Scan Assisted kills by your squad will net you 15 glorious WP Wolfman is the going to be a cap on the amount you can get in a certain amount of time? eg like the repper or is there no cap?
Shadow Panther1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 4	Posted - 2013.09.24 13:24:00 - [23] - Quote xAckie wrote: so stupid. This only adds further ways for logis being able to WP farm injector, nano (repairer), scanner = WP farm. 15s will be popping up everywhere, and injectors give 60Wp more than a kill. Seriously, do you not want anyone to play the objectives? Or do just want people to play one suit and one role and WP farm. WPs in this game are so messed-up. I'm sorry but I disagree with you. As a Logibro I help keep teammates alive by not only repairing armor, dropping ammo, scanning enemies, etc. I often go matches without every firing my gun and thus not earning warpoints for kills or kill assists. I also suffer unproportionally more deaths because of this reason. I feel that Logis have a critical role for winning matches and as a reward for their hard work and, as means to buy more dropsuits to continue this, they should be given WP for the things they do. I risk my dropsuits, to keep you and my fellow mercenaries alive, and should be compensated for doing so. I understand there will be a few individuals that will find some means of exploiting various aspects of the game but to say that it is "stupid" to reward us for our effort is an unfair position to take. Run with me for a couple of matches and I'll keep you from losing suits and help you to keep the kills coming then, in my humble opinion, you will understand why we earn WP for the things we do. Respectfully, A Hardworking Logibro Shadow Panther1
Ku Shala Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 545	Posted - 2013.09.24 14:01:00 - [24] - Quote xAckie wrote: so stupid. This only adds further ways for logis being able to WP farm injector, nano (repairer), scanner = WP farm. 15s will be popping up everywhere, and injectors give 60Wp more than a kill. Seriously, do you not want anyone to play the objectives? Or do just want people to play one suit and one role and WP farm. WPs in this game are so messed-up. Maybe you should read this post... Quote: #7 Posted: 2013.09.24 04:16 \| Report Unlike 2 CCP Wolfman wrote: Scan Assisted kills by your squad will net you 15 glorious WP 15?! Not going to lie, I was expecting it in the 3-5pt range. I guess it's not that bad. Some calculations: Ambush: 5015=750 OMS: 8015=1200 Skirmish/Domination: 150*15=2250 do you and your squad plan on making 50+ scan kills per match? or are you just a blueberry?
Sum1ne Else Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 558	Posted - 2013.09.24 15:18:00 - [25] - Quote This is good, however I think I would prefer isk rewards.. Costs a lot of money to run logi all the time when 1.4 dropped people would say sum1 where's your scanner.. My reply, 1m isk for a scan lulz. Funny when you scan wtf do you get from it, oh there you are killing my red dots that you would not be able to see without the scan. Gd job CCP maybe we could get some kind of bonus isk for logi like a scan assist bonus
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 3088	Posted - 2013.09.24 16:56:00 - [26] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: xAckie wrote: so stupid. This only adds further ways for logis being able to WP farm injector, nano (repairer), scanner = WP farm. 15s will be popping up everywhere, and injectors give 60Wp more than a kill. Seriously, do you not want anyone to play the objectives? Or do just want people to play one suit and one role and WP farm. WPs in this game are so messed-up. Ideally Logis wouldn't get tons of WPs from kills, but as long as the Logi suits are on par, if not even better than the Assault suits at the assault role there will be problems with this. Logi suits need a hard nerf (coming from a Logi) in combination with a slight buff to Assault suits. I could also see something like soaking up damage as a Sentinel give WP since the ability to get similar amount of WPs as an Assault from kills etc is nearly impossible in the Sentinel's current state (+Assaults can also get WP from their single equipment slot). They're not so much getting a nerf as getting a specialized role. I don't remember where I saw it but Logi's are apparently getting their bonuses changed so that they are more akin to their equipment, rather than the warfaring types they currently are. Which means we'll probably be seeing the passive +5HP/sec armor repair rate disappearing in place of something... useful. I think all the complaints about Logi's gaining more WP is unwarranted, honestly. You can have all the WP in the world but it's not going to win you the match. Maybe some of these guys should go check out Ambush again and see how bad it is -not- to get kills.
ALPHA DECRIPTER M.E.R.C. Conventional Forces League of Infamy 513	Posted - 2013.09.24 19:17:00 - [27] - Quote 15 eh? scouting is about to get a whole lot funner `Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST.
Adelia Lafayette DUST University Ivy League 324	Posted - 2013.09.24 19:34:00 - [28] - Quote CCP Wolfman wrote: Sgt Buttscratch wrote: Does this count for vehicle scanners also? Not currently but we are adding that functionality (literally) at the moment. You will not have it in the first iteration though. SAD PANDA!
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 3096	Posted - 2013.09.24 19:50:00 - [29] - Quote CCP Wolfman wrote: Scan Assisted kills by your squad will net you 15 glorious WP 15 is a bit steep, I think. Worst case scenario you use a Prototype Flux Scanner and scan down their entire team just before an orbital strike, jump into a tank that has a defense order on it and the WP just racks up ridiculously high. 1000 WP, easy.
lithkul devant Legions of Infinite Dominion 87	Posted - 2013.09.24 20:03:00 - [30] - Quote Okay...I thought active scanners went to the whole tacnet system, so that everyone on your team would see the people that are scanned. I like the idea and all of scanned people being killed=points for you, however, this seems to be rather...lacking in sight. I am on a team, my squad is part of that team, while should we be treated like we are one 3 or more different teams when scans are being done? Also with how the squad system is set up, I honestly have a hard time going into a pub and actually finding a squad with 4-6 people, and more then half the time the leader doesn't even know how to give squad commands. Even if the squad leader and squad is good, the team sucks, the squad gets split up often enough to defend multiple objectives when in skirmish. In ambush we often times can be put a whole map distance apart, aka scanner point=0. To summarize my points. 1. Fix the squad system and make it easier to form squads/faster. 2. Scanned kills should be for anyone that is killed during your scan, however, a point reduction if not on your squad, instead of 15 points for the kill you get 3, a token amount of points. 3. Fix spawn in locations on ambush please. 4. This is a team based game, not a squad based game, so stop giving people more reasons to just pub stomp.



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