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Aqua-Regia
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
378
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Posted - 2013.09.20 21:15:00 -
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TL:TR I'm saying that I believe Forge Guns have just Broken PC battle
I know most corps and players that play PC know this and believe in not a problem, to the point that it became the foundation of the strategy in nearly all corps and PC Fight. I'm talking about the Forge Gunners camping on top of a tower or structure, overlooking an objective to one shot killing any and all enemy their eyes lay upon.
Forge Gun camping is now make PC battle easy, unbalance, and annoying to play PC when it take no skill. (It's an easy 20/0 game, if you can't do 10/0 game you're a legitimate scrub only good at applying lotion)
Now guys going try to defend why Forge Guns has nothing wrong because of the Fat suit.
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Long Evity
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
266
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Posted - 2013.09.20 21:21:00 -
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... or you guys suck? Do you know how hard it is to put down maybe 400,000 sp into a decent sniper and get rid of him? and 20/0? That's terrible.
FG also counters FG. I counter FG rooftop campers all the time. a DS from the rear usually does the trick too is he's concentrating on objectives or player heavy areas.
You're bad and you and your corp should feel bad if a FG goes 20/0 |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
1333
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Posted - 2013.09.20 21:22:00 -
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Yeah, sounds like a job for sniperman to me. |
Aqua-Regia
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
378
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Posted - 2013.09.20 21:26:00 -
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Most likely you guys don't have real PC experience are a long one at that.
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Shattered Mirage
native warlords
288
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Posted - 2013.09.20 21:29:00 -
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Long Evity wrote:... or you guys suck? Do you know how hard it is to put down maybe 400,000 sp into a decent sniper and get rid of him? and 20/0? That's terrible.
FG also counters FG. I counter FG rooftop campers all the time. a DS from the rear usually does the trick too is he's concentrating on objectives or player heavy areas.
You're bad and you and your corp should feel bad if a FG goes 20/0
Agreed. |
Aqua-Regia
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
379
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Posted - 2013.09.20 21:44:00 -
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When you go fight a PC vet corp you will have at least 6 to 5 fat guys that has skilled in to Forge Guns, HMG and maybe Dropship. At most time you will have 2 fat guys FG on one high point(one Forge Gunners looking at the objective and one looking for Dropship). Most of the time you will have 3 to 4 Forge Gunners on high point taking pot shot.
You will find all vehicle become needles and useless on your team once enemy have taken most high point and you have none.
Most sniper suck in PC and can't do ****
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Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
599
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Posted - 2013.09.20 21:46:00 -
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Knee 101 is fixing this issue by making rooftops uncampable! Your welcome! |
N1ck Comeau
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
1425
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Posted - 2013.09.20 21:46:00 -
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Forge guns are very efficient at holding down a letter and keeping enemies off their high ground.
90% of Pc battles are decided by who gets the high ground first. or who can keep it. Because they can lock down letters and easily kill infantry.
This is unacceptable behavior in my opinion |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
6424
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Posted - 2013.09.20 21:53:00 -
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As someone who owns a prototype forge gun.
Forge Guns OP, from Militia to Ishokune |
Aqua-Regia
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
379
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Posted - 2013.09.20 21:54:00 -
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Shattered Mirage wrote:Long Evity wrote:... or you guys suck? Do you know how hard it is to put down maybe 400,000 sp into a decent sniper and get rid of him? and 20/0? That's terrible.
FG also counters FG. I counter FG rooftop campers all the time. a DS from the rear usually does the trick too is he's concentrating on objectives or player heavy areas.
You're bad and you and your corp should feel bad if a FG goes 20/0 Agreed.
let me get this you guys are saying you can go 20+/0 in all your game and not die once.
because I can go 30 in nearly all my game with a FG on my alt, and sometime hit 40 to 60 kill game once in awhile. I also die one or three time.
so I call bull **** on you guys, if 20/0 is not good |
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Aqua-Regia
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
379
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Posted - 2013.09.20 21:55:00 -
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Aqua-Regia wrote:Shattered Mirage wrote:Long Evity wrote:... or you guys suck? Do you know how hard it is to put down maybe 400,000 sp into a decent sniper and get rid of him? and 20/0? That's terrible.
FG also counters FG. I counter FG rooftop campers all the time. a DS from the rear usually does the trick too is he's concentrating on objectives or player heavy areas.
You're bad and you and your corp should feel bad if a FG goes 20/0 Agreed. let me get this you guys are saying you can go 20+/0 in all your game and not die once. because I can go 30 in nearly all my game with a FG on my alt and sometime hit 40 to 60 kill game once in awhile. I also die one or three time a game. so I call bull **** on you guys, if 20/0 is not good
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Aqua-Regia
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
379
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Posted - 2013.09.20 21:58:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Knee 101 is fixing this issue by making rooftops uncampable! Your welcome!
CCP Can't do this because they just going to F it up more |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
599
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Posted - 2013.09.20 22:11:00 -
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Aqua-Regia wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Knee 101 is fixing this issue by making rooftops uncampable! Your welcome! CCP Can't do this because they just going to F it up more
How exactly, people have complained about rooftop (forge)snipers, so they said they would get rid of them, or do you literally want to just stop forges? |
8213
Grade No.2
285
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Posted - 2013.09.20 22:13:00 -
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Here's a question. Somebody do the math,.
With a head shot, what's the most HP a sniper rifle can take? Can't a Forge Gunner just tank his fit to counter snipers? It's not like they need a damage mod or anything. Just shield and armor tank to the 9s. |
Aqua-Regia
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
379
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Posted - 2013.09.20 22:18:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Aqua-Regia wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Knee 101 is fixing this issue by making rooftops uncampable! Your welcome! CCP Can't do this because they just going to F it up more How exactly, people have complained about rooftop (forge)snipers, so they said they would get rid of them, or do you literally want to just stop forges?
how many rooftops do we have in Dust? you think ccp going fix it all up. I just see ccp F-in this up more. |
HowDidThatTaste
Ancient Exiles
3631
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Posted - 2013.09.20 22:21:00 -
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just use more Md you have plenty off them |
The Attorney General
ZionTCD
1015
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Posted - 2013.09.20 22:22:00 -
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If you don't control the heights in PC you lose.
Very simple, very tactical, and perfectly acceptable.
RND knows this, they structure their game around it.
I don't know why you missed the memo, but there you go.
If you let them stay up high you lose, so don't let them stay up high. |
Aqua-Regia
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
379
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Posted - 2013.09.20 22:23:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:just use more Md you have plenty off them
yes we do, we have 29 MD guys in our corp. |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
599
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Posted - 2013.09.20 22:25:00 -
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Aqua-Regia wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Aqua-Regia wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Knee 101 is fixing this issue by making rooftops uncampable! Your welcome! CCP Can't do this because they just going to F it up more How exactly, people have complained about rooftop (forge)snipers, so they said they would get rid of them, or do you literally want to just stop forges? how many rooftops do we have in Dust? you think ccp going fix it all up. I just see ccp F-in this up more.
They will make higher structures unusable, like in the new maps, until the old maps get phased out towers will hav a fencs to stop you from firing over the side!!
what exactly do you see going wrong? |
Long Evity
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
267
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Posted - 2013.09.20 22:26:00 -
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Aqua-Regia wrote:Aqua-Regia wrote:Shattered Mirage wrote:Long Evity wrote:... or you guys suck? Do you know how hard it is to put down maybe 400,000 sp into a decent sniper and get rid of him? and 20/0? That's terrible.
FG also counters FG. I counter FG rooftop campers all the time. a DS from the rear usually does the trick too is he's concentrating on objectives or player heavy areas.
You're bad and you and your corp should feel bad if a FG goes 20/0 Agreed. let me get this you guys are saying you can go 20+/0 in all your game and not die once. because I can go 30 in nearly all my game with a FG on my alt and sometime hit 40 to 60 kill game once in awhile. I also die one or three time a game. so I call bull **** on you guys, if 20/0 is not good ... lol? Your corp must be worse then I thought if you can let FG be uncontested. And seeing as RND mostly fights bad corps it's no shocker you have a bloated ego. |
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Aqua-Regia
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
379
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Posted - 2013.09.20 22:31:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:If you don't control the heights in PC you lose.
Very simple, very tactical, and perfectly acceptable.
RND knows this, they structure their game around it.
I don't know why you missed the memo, but there you go.
If you let them stay up high you lose, so don't let them stay up high.
LOL, missed the memo GTFO. Youre stating the obvious now my mind is blown to pieces. |
DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles
1383
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Posted - 2013.09.20 22:36:00 -
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Yep.. FG camping roofs are ******. 1 forge holds a point by himself. No gungame required...
But every corp needs to do it to counter the enemy in pc... |
Aqua-Regia
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
379
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Posted - 2013.09.20 22:42:00 -
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Long Evity wrote:Aqua-Regia wrote:Aqua-Regia wrote:Shattered Mirage wrote:Long Evity wrote:... or you guys suck? Do you know how hard it is to put down maybe 400,000 sp into a decent sniper and get rid of him? and 20/0? That's terrible.
FG also counters FG. I counter FG rooftop campers all the time. a DS from the rear usually does the trick too is he's concentrating on objectives or player heavy areas.
You're bad and you and your corp should feel bad if a FG goes 20/0 Agreed. let me get this you guys are saying you can go 20+/0 in all your game and not die once. because I can go 30 in nearly all my game with a FG on my alt and sometime hit 40 to 60 kill game once in awhile. I also die one or three time a game. so I call bull **** on you guys, if 20/0 is not good ... lol? Your corp must be worse then I thought if you can let FG be uncontested. And seeing as RND mostly fights bad corps it's no shocker you have a bloated ego.
Don't know why I feel that you envy my corp so bad that you be hating... wait you're so jealous of us. |
Aqua-Regia
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
379
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Posted - 2013.09.20 22:50:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:Yep.. FG camping roofs are ******. 1 forge holds a point by himself. No gungame required...
But every corp needs to do it to counter the enemy in pc...
pc battle is more of a kill joy now once everyone do it every game, just like disneyland.
It the one to two shot kill that more no skill player start doing it to keep up now. |
Long Evity
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
268
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Posted - 2013.09.20 22:52:00 -
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Aqua-Regia wrote:
Don't know why I feel that you envy my corp so bad that you be hating... wait you're so jealous of us.
It's SoTa PoP - and why would I be jealous of RND? What's to be jealous of? You guys were barely anything in PC until you blued up EoN lol |
Aqua-Regia
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
379
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Posted - 2013.09.20 22:54:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Aqua-Regia wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Aqua-Regia wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Knee 101 is fixing this issue by making rooftops uncampable! Your welcome! CCP Can't do this because they just going to F it up more How exactly, people have complained about rooftop (forge)snipers, so they said they would get rid of them, or do you literally want to just stop forges? how many rooftops do we have in Dust? you think ccp going fix it all up. I just see ccp F-in this up more. They will make higher structures unusable, like in the new maps, until the old maps get phased out towers will hav a fencs to stop you from firing over the side!! what exactly do you see going wrong?
don't know how ccp going F this up, just know something going be F up like every time ccp do something. |
Aqua-Regia
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
379
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Posted - 2013.09.20 23:14:00 -
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Long Evity wrote:Aqua-Regia wrote:
Don't know why I feel that you envy my corp so bad that you be hating... wait you're so jealous of us.
It's SoTa PoP - and why would I be jealous of RND? What's to be jealous of? You guys were barely anything in PC until you blued up EoN lol
Your must be jealous of something, even reading this defend self post now make me think you're even more jealous than before. Maybe I reading it wrong, let me try reading it once more and try picturing a cool head guy talking on a boat in cuba.
nope can't see it, still must be doing it wrong. |
Long Evity
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
268
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Posted - 2013.09.20 23:28:00 -
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Aqua-Regia wrote:Long Evity wrote:Aqua-Regia wrote:
Don't know why I feel that you envy my corp so bad that you be hating... wait you're so jealous of us.
It's SoTa PoP - and why would I be jealous of RND? What's to be jealous of? You guys were barely anything in PC until you blued up EoN lol Your must be jealous of something, even reading this defend self post now make me think you're even more jealous than before. Maybe I reading it wrong, let me try reading it once more and try picturing a cool head guy talking on a boat in cuba. nope can't see it, still must be doing it wrong. You do a lot of things wrong - don't worry. You can't even get a FG off a roof. |
Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
1086
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Posted - 2013.09.20 23:42:00 -
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8213 wrote:Can't a Forge Gunner just tank his fit to counter snipers? A Proto Tactical can get a pair of headshots before a heavy can even move, and with the damage bonus that Sniper Rails have against armor you can kill most fits, honestly, especially with damage mods. I do this regularly whenever someone in a pub match starts tower camping...
But yeah, if you really went "all out" and focused on pure proto survivability, avoiding the usual damage mods that forge gunners have, you should be able to tank sniper fire long enough to run to cover as long as you only peak... Otherwise a sniper with a proto tactical will fire two into your head and then (if need be, which is rarely) a third into your running back.
The Kali proto tactical is godlike against heavies when used properly, I love it. |
Bears Beets
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
931
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Posted - 2013.09.21 10:08:00 -
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As a Forge Gunning roof camping scumbag, all it takes is one good sniper to ruin my day. Seriously. Even if you don't kill me, you annoy me enough to keep me away from the edges for long and make me much less effective.
Also, why are people whining about the enemy having high ground? That's a tactic that has gone back as far as there has been war. |
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calvin b
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
579
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Posted - 2013.09.21 15:06:00 -
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Its called a Thale. |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
4266
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Posted - 2013.09.21 15:30:00 -
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loldust game lacks everything a real competitive game has due to poor balance and bad map design and boring game mode.
someday CCP will fix it tho right sota?!?!?! :( le sigh.....
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Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
784
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Posted - 2013.09.21 15:46:00 -
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FG camping is no worse than a Scout with REs that just hides and waits for the Objective to start flashing. No aim necessary.
If anybody goes 20/0 ever, in any match, your team helped them do it. Diversify your team tactics. (Hillside Sniper for the rooftoppers and to call in positioning, FTW.) |
AAGMUNDR
Reliable Overwatch Inc.
202
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Posted - 2013.09.21 15:48:00 -
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Hire me for the next battle. Maxed out snipers and damage mods. You'll never have to worry anyone on a tower ever again. |
DootDoot
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
74
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Posted - 2013.09.21 15:50:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Knee 101 is fixing this issue by making rooftops uncampable! Your welcome!
This is a sandbox game.. should be able to go anywhere really... there should be access to all area's other then dropship only though. and CCP knows this and are to lazy to implement the solution. |
TcuBe3
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
136
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Posted - 2013.09.21 15:57:00 -
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Aqua-Regia wrote: TL:TR I'm saying that I believe Forge Guns have just Broken PC battle
I know most corps and players that play PC know this and believe in not a problem, to the point that it became the foundation of the strategy in nearly all corps and PC Fight. I'm talking about the Forge Gunners camping on top of a tower or structure, overlooking an objective to one shot killing any and all enemy their eyes lay upon.
Forge Gun camping is now make PC battle easy, unbalance, and annoying to play PC when it take no skill. (It's an easy 20/0 game, if you can't do 10/0 game you're a legitimate scrub only good at applying lotion)
Now guys going try to defend why Forge Guns has nothing wrong because of the Fat suit.
Two thumbs down bro!
You can't find a way to kill a forge gunner? Lame... |
Viktor Zokas
High-Damage
362
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Posted - 2013.09.21 16:06:00 -
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Forge Guns; The only time I get killed by one is when I hold still. If I move while charging the bastard, I always win. Pretty op. |
Long Evity
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
278
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Posted - 2013.09.21 16:49:00 -
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Mavado V Noriega wrote:loldust game lacks everything a real competitive game has due to poor balance and bad map design and boring game mode.
someday CCP will fix it tho right sota?!?!?! :( le sigh.....
I don't think CCP can fix bad players. lol
EDIT: Oh wait - they did. Aim Assist. Lol :D |
Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
194
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Posted - 2013.09.21 17:58:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:FG camping is no worse than a Scout with REs that just hides and waits for the Objective to start flashing. No aim necessary.
If anybody goes 20/0 ever, in any match, your team helped them do it. Diversify your team tactics. (Hillside Sniper for the rooftoppers and to call in positioning, FTW.) the difference is that the remote explosive actually is avoidable. Just throw a flux grenade on the objective and all equipment that had beeing deployed are instantly destroyed. To get rid off a forgegunner it takes much more. Usually a logi will get into the dropship aswell to place down several nanohives (armor repping and ammo) and drop uplinks in the case a heavy gets sniped. Its allmost impossible to approach a tower/high ground building with more then 2 heavys camping it with a dropship. And if they get sniped it takes only 5 secs to respawn with proto drop uplinks. So your only option is to get a orbital and then quickly deploy your heavys there before the enemy does it. |
CuuCH Crusher
Forge Gun Mafia
234
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Posted - 2013.09.21 18:17:00 -
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Maintaining the high ground is a critical part of any strategy. Even if forge guns were taken out of the game, I can almost guarantee you would still be on here complaining about the charge sniper rifle and roof campers.
Pro tip: Get a tactical sniper rifle and shut the forge gunner down with head shots. If you can't do that then just quit the game. |
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Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
863
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Posted - 2013.09.21 18:36:00 -
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Viktor Zokas wrote:Forge Guns; The only time I get killed by one is when I hold still. If I move while charging the bastard, I always win. Pretty op. This! Exactly this!
I have hit moving targets with the FG, but it is a stroke of luck every single time.
If you die because a FG Heavy is camping an objective, stop going to the damn objective to get killed. Take him out first!
If it is splash damage killing you, you suck! Stop sitting still. Their isn't one single suit in PC that can be one shotted by FG Splash Damage aside from maybe a Scout. If you get caught more than once in a FG's blast radius, you need to find another game to play! |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc.
244
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Posted - 2013.09.21 18:43:00 -
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Agreed its been boring as f**k for ages, get the high ground= win almost always, really fking boring because camping wins the day basically.
As for that scrub saying rnd suck? GTFO |
Shattered Mirage
native warlords
290
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Posted - 2013.09.21 19:05:00 -
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Bears Beets wrote:As a Forge Gunning roof camping scumbag, all it takes is one good sniper to ruin my day. Seriously. Even if you don't kill me, you annoy me enough to keep me away from the edges for long and make me much less effective.
Also, why are people whining about the enemy having high ground? That's a tactic that has gone back as far as there has been war.
Some people just want everything handed to 'em on a silver platter. |
D legendary hero
THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND
1095
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Posted - 2013.09.21 19:26:00 -
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Aqua-Regia wrote:Most likely you guys don't have real PC experience are a long one at that.
I must ask you... and please do answer. What is the difference between a forgunner on a roof and a sniper in a heavy suit on the roof.
Proto forge gun with damage mods can one shot any suit. requires tons of SP
Proto sniper (kaakalota or charge) with damage mods can one shot any suit. requieres much less SP, but still alot of SP.
is there any difference? No. you can do just about the same thing with both... and dnt even talk about splash damage. Forguns have splash because there is no ADS with a forge gun. Snipers have ADS and therefore have no splash.
you know what broke PC? proto SWARMS and AV nades being able to kill any vehicle in the game when equiped to 1 person. you know what broke PC? Proto caldari suits with proto ARs that out gun HMGS and make all other guns useless... that broke PC.. |
D legendary hero
THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND
1095
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Posted - 2013.09.21 19:32:00 -
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you guys shut the OP down too hard... i almost feel sorry for him. Op your teammates did not do their job. no matter hwo good they are if they do not address a problem it will get worse....
- if there is a proto sniper on a hill or on the enemy MCC shooting an objective and your team does not counter snipe then you will suffer
- if there is a proto tank running a muck on your team and killing everyone and no goes AV he will ruin you...
- god for bud there is a nova knifer running around killing your allies and they say nothing or do nothing... he will ruin your team.
no excuse. When you get a splinter in your finger dnt just leave it there you it will get infested and you will suffer dearly for it... |
DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles
1396
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Posted - 2013.09.21 19:56:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:Aqua-Regia wrote:Most likely you guys don't have real PC experience are a long one at that.
I must ask you... and please do answer. What is the difference between a forgunner on a roof and a sniper in a heavy suit on the roof. Proto forge gun with damage mods can one shot any suit. requires tons of SP Proto sniper (kaakalota or charge) with damage mods can one shot any suit. requieres much less SP, but still alot of SP. is there any difference? No. you can do just about the same thing with both... and dnt even talk about splash damage. Forguns have splash because there is no ADS with a forge gun. Snipers have ADS and therefore have no splash. you know what broke PC? proto SWARMS and AV nades being able to kill any vehicle in the game when equiped to 1 person. you know what broke PC? Proto caldari suits with proto ARs that out gun HMGS and make all other guns useless... that broke PC.. There is a difference. Proto forge does everything...
Holds objective by themselves,and keeps vehicles away.
Sniper only does the first.
And no caldari suits didn't break it dude.. Gungame beats the difference in suits strengths. |
Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
1089
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Posted - 2013.09.22 20:08:00 -
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Bright Cloud wrote:And if they get sniped it takes only 5 secs to respawn with proto drop uplinks.
I don't have a problem with this.
Last night me and a corp mate grabbed charge sniper rifles, and started counting off "1...2...3!" and double-tapping an entire squad of drop-linking tower-camping snipers and forge gunners in the head... And they kept respawning... And we were completely fine with this... We had a lot of ammunition...
Why on earth would I ever complain about someone respawning due to me blowing their head off? |
Kalante Schiffer
Ancient Exiles
411
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Posted - 2013.09.22 21:08:00 -
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i just hate it when a forge gunner camps on the tower to aim at both objectives in the city. thats such a noob move. |
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