you know i had an insane idea that might work for av nades make them large nades so only the heavy suit can equipment them and then push the swarm launcher to a heavy weapon. just an idea to throw out there.

Swarms should be the worst AV weapon with low damage (195/missile at std) and low speed because they're light and lock-on
Plasma cannon should be a short range powerhouse (2100 base damage), but remain as is
Forge gun should get more range and less splash and lose 5% of its current damage, but get more ammo
AV grenades should be 1/merc, as well as losing lock on/homing, as well as having a significantly larger cpu/pg cost, due to its spammability.

All of this= 4 guys to counter one tank. lol


This morning, I came close to taking down a very nice HAV. but that SOB had a partner who hopped out and helped him take me out. All I was thinking was damn.. If I had another AV guy with me, that HAV would have been gone. And that's just fine.

2 dedicated AV guys. 3 for the more well fitted ones, or spiders. Nice numbers with out going the absurd 4 guys for ONE tank.

you know i had an insane idea that might work for av nades make them large nades so only the heavy suit can equipment them and then push the swarm launcher to a heavy weapon. just an idea to throw out there.

Swarms should be the worst AV weapon with low damage (195/missile at std) and low speed because they're light and lock-on
Plasma cannon should be a short range powerhouse (2100 base damage), but remain as is
Forge gun should get more range and less splash and lose 5% of its current damage, but get more ammo
AV grenades should be 1/merc, as well as losing lock on/homing, as well as having a significantly larger cpu/pg cost, due to its spammability.

Do you want me watching you ass in FW with my Amarr HAV or not?

Swarms should be the worst AV weapon with low damage (195/missile at std) and low speed because they're light and lock-on
Plasma cannon should be a short range powerhouse (2100 base damage), but remain as is
Forge gun should get more range and less splash and lose 5% of its current damage, but get more ammo
AV grenades should be 1/merc, as well as losing lock on/homing, as well as having a significantly larger cpu/pg cost, due to its spammability.

Unlike many tankers, I think the forge is very close to perfection. The proto version might be slightly OP, but only by 200-300 direct impact. The assault time should be set at a base of 3, but the skill is fine. We also need a standard assault forge to complement the proto and advanced versions. If we get the proper hulls and modules to fight a proto forge, someday, it will be a good fight. The range does need a slight buff, but not much.

Swarms should require a longer lock on or something to compensate for the auto tracking ability. Perhaps they should be user guided. If nothing of the sorts will be added they need to be nerfed. Is it ironic that only the honing weapons and explosives in this game deal the most damage? Right now they are way too easy to use and deal an insane amount of damage.

The plasma cannon is a weapon that requires great skill, but currently has little effect. This should go along with the idea that more skill input yields more damage output. I don't have any idea about a damage scale for it, but it should not be nearly as extreme as the current swarm scale (25% more damage per level).

AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD FIX INVISIBLE SWARMS

So you basically are saying that in order to take out vehicles you need to be in a heavy suit? How close do you think heavies will be able to run up to a vehicle exactly? Also you expect heavies to sacrifice their primary weapon for a swarm launcher? It's some good thinking outside the box, I'll give you that, but I don't think this would work.

So why is everyone QQ over av weapons? Swarm Launchers can't be used on infantry only vehicles same with AV nades. If a vehicle take too much damage leave it. The FG is perfect the way it is. I use LAV, HAV, and DS. So i'm not too upset to lose my stuff i brought out whining about it is pointless.

yours truly
The Overpriced Fatsuit

The AV grenades, themselves, arent that bad. It's when you have three guys standing on a compact hive, spamming them. they do more damage over a shorter time than anything else and are cheaper, less sp iontensive, lock on, and take no pg or cpu (compared to everything else)

Plasma cannon isn't stated to be an AV weapon anywhere in its description in anyway unlike AV nades, FGs, and swarm.

What is wrong with a little coordination on your part? Lazy or what? I mean we are talking about "tanks". They should be kind of mean and require some teamwork to take down-if not another equally fitted tank.

you know i had an insane idea that might work for av nades make them large nades so only the heavy suit can equipment them and then push the swarm launcher to a heavy weapon. just an idea to throw out there.

it makes AV suit specific, look at other games. there is a clear this are AV guys, always. PS2 you have heavy assaults, BF3 you have engineers, and the list goes on and they work just fine.

its either that or have AV weapons not get restocked by nanohives, which would be balanced.

AV Nades are fine, Forge Guns are fine, Swarm could use a slight nerf. Stop trying to solo tank, and actually get Infantry support.

I agree. Somewhere along the lines it became reasonable to QQ about AV just because they can't fight an entire team themselves.

Swarms should be the worst AV weapon with low damage (195/missile at std) and low speed because they're light and lock-on

Plasma cannon should be a short range powerhouse (2100 base damage), but remain as is

Forge gun should get more range and less splash and lose 5% of its current damage, but get more ammo

AV grenades should be 1/merc, as well as losing lock on/homing, as well as having a significantly larger cpu/pg cost, due to its spammability.

This is nothing new, they were whining about not being immune to anything less than an entire team as far back as closed beta.

I'm pretty sure they were bitching about AV before the game was announced.

you know i had an insane idea that might work for av nades make them large nades so only the heavy suit can equipment them and then push the swarm launcher to a heavy weapon. just an idea to throw out there.

This is nothing new, they were whining about not being immune to anything less than an entire team as far back as closed beta.

I'm pretty sure they were bitching about AV before the game was announced.

Single Tanks at some point in Beta used to be able to fight 16 man squads on equal footing.

Some still cling to that right of pure ownage.

I agree on principle, although I'm not certain about the specific numbers because I'm not looking at the current numbers right now and don't have a calculation ready. Plasma cannon is primarily for crowd control and not AV, but it does seem to need a boost of some kind.

The forge guns don't need to lose damage or gain ammo in general, but the assault should drop damage to match or be slightly below the standard (making up for it in higher DPS with its shorter charge time--which would leave it the choice weapon of good forge gunners).

AV grenades should be 2 per merc, reduced homing (to around 5 meters, just so they can intuitively act as sticky grenades), no increase to cpu/pg cost but do 50% damage against heavily armored vehicles (relegating them to LAV mitigation, where they should be).

What is wrong with a little coordination on your part? Lazy or what? I mean we are talking about "tanks". They should be kind of mean and require some teamwork to take down-if not another equally fitted tank.

All of this= 4 guys to counter one tank. lol


This morning, I came close to taking down a very nice HAV. but that SOB had a partner who hopped out and helped him take me out. All I was thinking was damn.. If I had another AV guy with me, that HAV would have been gone. And that's just fine.

2 dedicat

Sh!t

Sorry i react like that when someone posts ridiculous nerf petitions to AV :3

So why is everyone QQ over av weapons? Swarm Launchers can't be used on infantry only vehicles same with AV nades. If a vehicle take too much damage leave it. The FG is perfect the way it is. I use LAV, HAV, and DS. So i'm not too upset to lose my stuff i brought out whining about it is pointless.

yours truly
The Overpriced Fatsuit

AV Nades are fine, Forge Guns are fine, Swarm could use a slight nerf. Stop trying to solo tank, and actually get Infantry support.

Vehicles users think that because their tank costs Multiple dropsuits that it comes with build in skill to own everything due to its costs and should never die, because of that cost.

Tanks can be 1 manned, so they should be soloble, if tanks where Driver + MainGunner to be operated then i would agree that at least 2 people be needed to take one down.

In eve it doesnt matter how much your ship costs a bunch of cheap shitfits will destroys it.

http://themittani.com/features/alod-paladin-couldnt

So your doing some pve stuff in your 68 Billion Isk loot pinata, comes along 800m ISK in ships and kills you, shucks to be you man, same for tanks, price should never dictate what it can and cant do.

A laser guided swarm with same stats would be fine. I wouldn't even mind making them faster if that happened.

The AV grenades, themselves, arent that bad. It's when you have three guys standing on a compact hive, spamming them. they do more damage over a shorter time than anything else and are cheaper, less sp iontensive, lock on, and take no pg or cpu (compared to everything else)

Yeah I love these threads, what is the opposing team supposed to do when 3-4 tanks are called in? Run out in front of them and pad the almighty tankers KD. The more I see these, the more I think of tankers as nothing but stat padders, they only think they should lose a tank to well organized squads of high SP players. All the while grinding new players beneath their treads as they roll on to another 27/0 game against a bunch of starter corp guys, who have no way to counter their SP Sink I-win tanks. I don't believe tanks were ever meant to be a primary role, why anyone would spec just vehicles in a FPS seems short sighted. Yes its a RPG, but to anyone new that reads this thread get a damn advanced suit and gun before you dump your SP into tanks that I will hunt down and destroy

ccp limit to 2 tanks at one time, done.
have your team stop sucking and use assault forge guns, or swarmers, takes 1 person to destroy a tank, imagine 3-4, av grenades or op assault forge guns.

[quote=jerrmy12 kahoalii][quote=Kal Kronos]Yeah I love these threads, what is the opposing team supposed to do when 3-4 tanks are called in? Run out in front of them and pad the almighty tankers KD. The more I see these, the more I think of tankers as nothing but stat padders, they only think they should lose a tank to well organized squads of high SP players. All the while grinding new players beneath their treads as they roll on to another 27/0 game against a bunch of starter corp guys, who have no way to counter their SP Sink I-win tanks. I don't believe tanks were ever meant to be a primary role, why anyone would spec just vehicles in a FPS seems short sighted. Yes its a RPG, but to anyone new that reads this thread get a damn advanced suit and gun before you dump your

Limit tanks and every tanker will kick and scream if they didnt get to call theirs in
Lets just give the babies their bottles and set up an all vehicle mode since thats what they want

Limit tanks and every tanker will kick and scream if they didnt get to call theirs in
Lets just give the babies their bottles and set up an all vehicle mode since thats what they want

ccp limit to 2 tanks at one tistop

Dovalis and Char tell me where I said they should limit tanks
Go on, I can wait, where in this thread did I say they should limit tanks
Jerrmy said there should me a limit on tanks in a match, I said if you do that tankers would throw a tantrum and then offered something to appease you all since you all seem to want to play world of tanks anyway without the mean old infantry blowing you up

Get your **** right before you go screaming about something or you wont be taken seriously and you will end up looking like backward ass morons that dont know their elbows from their assholes
I couldnt even help you guys out by telling you that one spews ou

it was just a suggestion btw, so no pub stomping in tanks.
its ok for infintry to decemate other team in domination but not get any tank kills otherwise OP?(not directed at you)
alot of matches is 1 team spawntrap another, but tanks cant kill without being op? makes sense everybody.
tdlr, its ok for infintry to do well but not tanks?