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Omareth Nasadra QcGOLD 93	Posted - 2013.09.20 09:47:00 - [31] - Quote ladwar wrote: you know i had an insane idea that might work for av nades make them large nades so only the heavy suit can equipment them and then push the swarm launcher to a heavy weapon. just an idea to throw out there. Darwin award right there!!!
Rei Shepard Spectre II 609	Posted - 2013.09.20 10:13:00 - [32] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Toby Flenderson wrote: I agree. Somewhere along the lines it became reasonable to QQ about AV just because they can't fight an entire team themselves. This is nothing new, they were whining about not being immune to anything less than an entire team as far back as closed beta. I'm pretty sure they were bitching about AV before the game was announced. Single Tanks at some point in Beta used to be able to fight 16 man squads on equal footing. Some still cling to that right of pure ownage.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Top Men. 1308	Posted - 2013.09.22 03:35:00 - [33] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Single Tanks at some point in Beta used to be able to fight 16 man squads on equal footing. Some still cling to that right of pure ownage. Yeah, that standard needs to burn forever
Rusty Shallows Black Jackals 400	Posted - 2013.09.22 05:56:00 - [34] - Quote Goric Rumis wrote: I agree on principle, although I'm not certain about the specific numbers because I'm not looking at the current numbers right now and don't have a calculation ready. Plasma cannon is primarily for crowd control and not AV, but it does seem to need a boost of some kind. The forge guns don't need to lose damage or gain ammo in general, but the assault should drop damage to match or be slightly below the standard (making up for it in higher DPS with its shorter charge time--which would leave it the choice weapon of good forge gunners). AV grenades should be 2 per merc, reduced homing (to around 5 meters, just so they can intuitively act as sticky grenades), no increase to cpu/pg cost but do 50% damage against heavily armored vehicles (relegating them to LAV mitigation, where they should be). Assault Forge Guns have higher fitting costs and price, not the same animal as the Standard. Besides any weapon with a wait of over two seconds to fire is a death sentence. Make that doubly so with the tighter maps and lasers that finally seem to be doing damage. CCP could throw away the Standard and Breaches for all I care.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 1939	Posted - 2013.09.22 06:07:00 - [35] - Quote KenKaniff69 wrote: Surt gods end wrote: CharCharOdell wrote: Swarms should be the worst AV weapon with low damage (195/missile at std) and low speed because they're light and lock-on Plasma cannon should be a short range powerhouse (2100 base damage), but remain as is Forge gun should get more range and less splash and lose 5% of its current damage, but get more ammo AV grenades should be 1/merc, as well as losing lock on/homing, as well as having a significantly larger cpu/pg cost, due to its spammability. All of this= 4 guys to counter one tank. lol This morning, I came close to taking down a very nice HAV. but that SOB had a partner who hopped out and helped him take me out. All I was thinking was damn.. If I had another AV guy with me, that HAV would have been gone. And that's just fine. 2 dedicated AV guys. 3 for the more well fitted ones, or spiders. Nice numbers with out going the absurd 4 guys for ONE tank. What is wrong with a little coordination on your part? Lazy or what? I mean we are talking about "tanks". They should be kind of mean and require some teamwork to take down-if not another equally fitted tank. Ha, you throw that out there when every tankers screams and kicks their feet when someone says a tank should have a crew to operate After all it is a tank Oh wait heres one, even in the modern world anti vehicle tech from the 80s can still destroy modern main battle tanks And Im not talking lucky shots either, Im talking a hit right to the front of an M1 Abrams heavily damaging its armor You want to talk adding another second to a second and a half on swarms thats cool, you want to talk reducing av nade homing range thats cool especially since most people will use the packed nades and those already have **** lock on so we just throw them directly at you, you want to make swarms user guided man I will love you forever if you got that implemented so I could hammer on a tanks weak spot with every swarm and then I actually could swerve around your cover Otherwise take all that "Waaaah we want you to do less damage so we dont die" out of here
jerrmy12 kahoalii Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 4	Posted - 2013.09.22 06:10:00 - [36] - Quote Surt gods end wrote: CharCharOdell wrote: Swarms should be the worst AV weapon with low damage (195/missile at std) and low speed because they're light and lock-on Plasma cannon should be a short range powerhouse (2100 base damage), but remain as is Forge gun should get more range and less splash and lose 5% of its current damage, but get more ammo AV grenades should be 1/merc, as well as losing lock on/homing, as well as having a significantly larger cpu/pg cost, due to its spammability. All of this= 4 guys to counter one tank. lol This morning, I came close to taking down a very nice HAV. but that SOB had a partner who hopped out and helped him take me out. All I was thinking was damn.. If I had another AV guy with me, that HAV would have been gone. And that's just fine. 2 dedicat you guys suck then. i killed 3 tanks in 1 match ALL BY MY SELF with the FREE SUIT. tanks are pethitic, i wasted isk on them.
jerrmy12 kahoalii Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 4	Posted - 2013.09.22 06:14:00 - [37] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: True Adamance wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: CharCharOdell wrote: Swarms should be the worst AV weapon with low damage (195/missile at std) and low speed because they're light and lock-on Plasma cannon should be a short range powerhouse (2100 base damage), but remain as is Forge gun should get more range and less splash and lose 5% of its current damage, but get more ammo AV grenades should be 1/merc, as well as losing lock on/homing, as well as having a significantly larger cpu/pg cost, due to its spammability. nO. Die in your vehicle. Do you want me watching you ass in FW with my Amarr HAV or not? Sh!t Sorry i react like that when someone posts ridiculous nerf petitions to AV :3 because ther're OP. 1 person should not easily take out a tank. but the cardboard darawing of a tank is a different story...
jerrmy12 kahoalii Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 4	Posted - 2013.09.22 06:16:00 - [38] - Quote Tom Kent wrote: So why is everyone QQ over av weapons? Swarm Launchers can't be used on infantry only vehicles same with AV nades. If a vehicle take too much damage leave it. The FG is perfect the way it is. I use LAV, HAV, and DS. So i'm not too upset to lose my stuff i brought out whining about it is pointless. yours truly The Overpriced Fatsuit everytime you get damage you have to leave by that logic.
Kal Kronos L.O.T.I.S. 18	Posted - 2013.09.22 06:19:00 - [39] - Quote Yeah I love these threads, what is the opposing team supposed to do when 3-4 tanks are called in? Run out in front of them and pad the almighty tankers KD. The more I see these, the more I think of tankers as nothing but stat padders, they only think they should lose a tank to well organized squads of high SP players. All the while grinding new players beneath their treads as they roll on to another 27/0 game against a bunch of starter corp guys, who have no way to counter their SP Sink I-win tanks. I don't believe tanks were ever meant to be a primary role, why anyone would spec just vehicles in a FPS seems short sighted. Yes its a RPG, but to anyone new that reads this thread get a damn advanced suit and gun before you dump your SP into tanks that I will hunt down and destroy if you push me to don my AV fit to "deal" with you. I would rather be capping objectives and partaking in firefights, but if you push me I will end you.
jerrmy12 kahoalii Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 4	Posted - 2013.09.22 06:20:00 - [40] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: AV Nades are fine, Forge Guns are fine, Swarm could use a slight nerf. Stop trying to solo tank, and actually get Infantry support. so my heavy can do good, but not a tank? no, most people dont squad up. a solo person can easily destroy a tank in 5-7 seconds, or less. my heavy can solo, my logi can solo, but not a tank? ps AV users, in a game you have to account for most of the team can switch to AV and destroy a tank

Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 156	Posted - 2013.09.22 06:25:00 - [41] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Toby Flenderson wrote: I agree. Somewhere along the lines it became reasonable to QQ about AV just because they can't fight an entire team themselves. This is nothing new, they were whining about not being immune to anything less than an entire team as far back as closed beta. I'm pretty sure they were bitching about AV before the game was announced. Vehicles users think that because their tank costs Multiple dropsuits that it comes with build in skill to own everything due to its costs and should never die, because of that cost. Tanks can be 1 manned, so they should be soloble, if tanks where Driver + MainGunner to be operated then i would agree that at least 2 people be needed to take one down. In eve it doesnt matter how much your ship costs a bunch of cheap shitfits will destroys it. http://themittani.com/features/alod-paladin-couldnt So your doing some pve stuff in your 68 Billion Isk loot pinata, comes along 800m ISK in ships and kills you, shucks to be you man, same for tanks, price should never dictate what it can and cant do. I notice all your examples are 3+ cheap ships vs 1 expensive ship. That's not a 1vs1 example in the least.
Awry Barux Shining Flame Amarr Empire 101	Posted - 2013.09.22 06:28:00 - [42] - Quote CharCharOdell wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: CharCharOdell wrote: Swarms should be the worst AV weapon with low damage (195/missile at std) and low speed because they're light and lock-on Plasma cannon should be a short range powerhouse (2100 base damage), but remain as is Forge gun should get more range and less splash and lose 5% of its current damage, but get more ammo AV grenades should be 1/merc, as well as losing lock on/homing, as well as having a significantly larger cpu/pg cost, due to its spammability. nO. Die in your vehicle. You are INSANE! this are all but NERFS. Dont like the Lock on? Make them Straight shooting with the ability to Dumb fire an we have a deal. DAMAGE STAYS. 2100 base damage for the plasma seems legit. The Forge gun, im not even mad. I would love more range , i dont need the splash damage ,and 5% damagereduction wont change a thing.but well... AV grenades are the only way for soe mercs to deal with light vehicles. Dont like them? dont let infantry get close nor get into cities. A laser guided swarm with same stats would be fine. I wouldn't even mind making them faster if that happened. The AV grenades, themselves, arent that bad. It's when you have three guys standing on a compact hive, spamming them. they do more damage over a shorter time than anything else and are cheaper, less sp iontensive, lock on, and take no pg or cpu (compared to everything else) A laser guided swarm launcher may sound good on face, but if the implementation is "the missiles go in the direction I'm looking", you're not going to like the consequences. With even the tiniest modicum of skill, the one drawback of current swarms is going to disappear, namely that the missiles are too dumb to seek around cover. With half a brain and some depth perception, I would be able shoot around corners / over ridges / from behind a 10 foot wall, without even needing to poke my head out for a lock.
jerrmy12 kahoalii Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 4	Posted - 2013.09.22 06:30:00 - [43] - Quote Kal Kronos wrote: Yeah I love these threads, what is the opposing team supposed to do when 3-4 tanks are called in? Run out in front of them and pad the almighty tankers KD. The more I see these, the more I think of tankers as nothing but stat padders, they only think they should lose a tank to well organized squads of high SP players. All the while grinding new players beneath their treads as they roll on to another 27/0 game against a bunch of starter corp guys, who have no way to counter their SP Sink I-win tanks. I don't believe tanks were ever meant to be a primary role, why anyone would spec just vehicles in a FPS seems short sighted. Yes its a RPG, but to anyone new that reads this thread get a damn advanced suit and gun before you dump your SP into tanks that I will hunt down and destroy ccp limit to 2 tanks at one time, done. have your team stop sucking and use assault forge guns, or swarmers, takes 1 person to destroy a tank, imagine 3-4, av grenades or op assault forge guns.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 1940	Posted - 2013.09.22 06:34:00 - [44] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Kal Kronos wrote: Yeah I love these threads, what is the opposing team supposed to do when 3-4 tanks are called in? Run out in front of them and pad the almighty tankers KD. The more I see these, the more I think of tankers as nothing but stat padders, they only think they should lose a tank to well organized squads of high SP players. All the while grinding new players beneath their treads as they roll on to another 27/0 game against a bunch of starter corp guys, who have no way to counter their SP Sink I-win tanks. I don't believe tanks were ever meant to be a primary role, why anyone would spec just vehicles in a FPS seems short sighted. Yes its a RPG, but to anyone new that reads this thread get a damn advanced suit and gun before you dump your SP into tanks that I will hunt down and destroy ccp limit to 2 tanks at one time, done. have your team stop sucking and use assault forge guns, or swarmers, takes 1 person to destroy a tank, imagine 3-4, av grenades or op assault forge guns. Limit tanks and every tanker will kick and scream if they didnt get to call theirs in Lets just give the babies their bottles and set up an all vehicle mode since thats what they want
jerrmy12 kahoalii Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 4	Posted - 2013.09.22 06:37:00 - [45] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: [quote=jerrmy12 kahoalii][quote=Kal Kronos]Yeah I love these threads, what is the opposing team supposed to do when 3-4 tanks are called in? Run out in front of them and pad the almighty tankers KD. The more I see these, the more I think of tankers as nothing but stat padders, they only think they should lose a tank to well organized squads of high SP players. All the while grinding new players beneath their treads as they roll on to another 27/0 game against a bunch of starter corp guys, who have no way to counter their SP Sink I-win tanks. I don't believe tanks were ever meant to be a primary role, why anyone would spec just vehicles in a FPS seems short sighted. Yes its a RPG, but to anyone new that reads this thread get a damn advanced suit and gun before you dump your either that or have LOLunderpowered tanks. i wasted 2 mil isk on POS tank to get 1 kill while my teamates watch me die by [militia swarmer]
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 156	Posted - 2013.09.22 06:53:00 - [46] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Kal Kronos wrote: Yeah I love these threads, what is the opposing team supposed to do when 3-4 tanks are called in? Run out in front of them and pad the almighty tankers KD. The more I see these, the more I think of tankers as nothing but stat padders, they only think they should lose a tank to well organized squads of high SP players. All the while grinding new players beneath their treads as they roll on to another 27/0 game against a bunch of starter corp guys, who have no way to counter their SP Sink I-win tanks. I don't believe tanks were ever meant to be a primary role, why anyone would spec just vehicles in a FPS seems short sighted. Yes its a RPG, but to anyone new that reads this thread get a damn advanced suit and gun before you dump your SP into tanks that I will hunt down and destroy ccp limit to 2 tanks at one time, done. have your team stop sucking and use assault forge guns, or swarmers, takes 1 person to destroy a tank, imagine 3-4, av grenades or op assault forge guns. Limit tanks and every tanker will kick and scream if they didnt get to call theirs in Lets just give the babies their bottles and set up an all vehicle mode since thats what they want And your not demanding a baby bottle yourself by demanding limits on tanks? You can't claim this tactic is noble in one direction but cowardly in another... Especially when it's the exact same thing.
CharCharOdell Shining Flame Amarr Empire 946	Posted - 2013.09.22 06:53:00 - [47] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Kal Kronos wrote: Yeah I love these threads, what is the opposing team supposed to do when 3-4 tanks are called in? Run out in front of them and pad the almighty tankers KD. The more I see these, the more I think of tankers as nothing but stat padders, they only think they should lose a tank to well organized squads of high SP players. All the while grinding new players beneath their treads as they roll on to another 27/0 game against a bunch of starter corp guys, who have no way to counter their SP Sink I-win tanks. I don't believe tanks were ever meant to be a primary role, why anyone would spec just vehicles in a FPS seems short sighted. Yes its a RPG, but to anyone new that reads this thread get a damn advanced suit and gun before you dump your SP into tanks that I will hunt down and destroy ccp limit to 2 tanks at one time, done. have your team stop sucking and use assault forge guns, or swarmers, takes 1 person to destroy a tank, imagine 3-4, av grenades or op assault forge guns. Limit tanks and every tanker will kick and scream if they didnt get to call theirs in Lets just give the babies their bottles and set up an all vehicle mode since thats what they want Only if there is a limit of 2 people equipped with AV weapons to be deployed at once. IE: only 2 people can ever have a swarm launchers at once. Also, no more than 6 medium suits, 4 heavies, and 2 scouts. You are an idiot and a terrible troll.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 1940	Posted - 2013.09.22 06:57:00 - [48] - Quote Dovalis and Char tell me where I said they should limit tanks Go on, I can wait, where in this thread did I say they should limit tanks Jerrmy said there should me a limit on tanks in a match, I said if you do that tankers would throw a tantrum and then offered something to appease you all since you all seem to want to play world of tanks anyway without the mean old infantry blowing you up Get your ** right before you go screaming about something or you wont be taken seriously and you will end up looking like backward ass morons that dont know their elbows from their assholes I couldnt even help you guys out by telling you that one spews out ** since your mouths seem to do that as well Man, the irony of you guys going "durr hurr you are dumb cuz you want limit tankz" when I wasnt even the one who said it
jerrmy12 kahoalii Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 4	Posted - 2013.09.22 06:59:00 - [49] - Quote CharCharOdell wrote: Delta 749 wrote: [quote=jerrmy12 kahoalii][quote=Kal Kronos]Yeah I love these threads, what is the opposing team supposed to do when 3-4 tanks are called in? Run out in front of them and pad the almighty tankers KD. The more I see these, the more I think of tankers as nothing but stat padders, they only think they should lose a tank to well organized squads of high SP players. All the while grinding new players beneath their treads as they roll on to another 27/0 game against a bunch of starter corp guys, who have no way to counter their SP Sink I-win tanks. I don't believe tanks were ever meant to be a primary role, why anyone would spec just vehicles in a FPS seems short sighted. Yes its a RPG, but to anyone new that reads this thread get a damn advanced suit and gun before you dump your SP into tanks that I will hunt down and destroy ccp limit to 2 tanks at one tistop guy was complaining 3 tanks destroyed team don't limit anything but tanks?
jerrmy12 kahoalii Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 4	Posted - 2013.09.22 07:04:00 - [50] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Dovalis and Char tell me where I said they should limit tanks Go on, I can wait, where in this thread did I say they should limit tanks Jerrmy said there should me a limit on tanks in a match, I said if you do that tankers would throw a tantrum and then offered something to appease you all since you all seem to want to play world of tanks anyway without the mean old infantry blowing you up Get your **** right before you go screaming about something or you wont be taken seriously and you will end up looking like backward ass morons that dont know their elbows from their assholes I couldnt even help you guys out by telling you that one spews ou it was just a suggestion btw, so no pub stomping in tanks. its ok for infintry to decemate other team in domination but not get any tank kills otherwise OP?(not directed at you) alot of matches is 1 team spawntrap another, but tanks cant kill without being op? makes sense everybody. tdlr, its ok for infintry to do well but not tanks?

Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 1941	Posted - 2013.09.22 07:07:00 - [51] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Dovalis and Char tell me where I said they should limit tanks Go on, I can wait, where in this thread did I say they should limit tanks Jerrmy said there should me a limit on tanks in a match, I said if you do that tankers would throw a tantrum and then offered something to appease you all since you all seem to want to play world of tanks anyway without the mean old infantry blowing you up Get your **** right before you go screaming about something or you wont be taken seriously and you will end up looking like backward ass morons that dont know their elbows from their assholes I couldnt even help you guys out by telling you that one spews ou it was just a suggestion btw, so no pub stomping in tanks. its ok for infintry to decemate other team in domination but not get any tank kills otherwise OP?(not directed at you) alot of matches is 1 team spawntrap another, but tanks cant kill without being op? makes sense everybody. tdlr, its ok for infintry to do well but not tanks? I have no problem with tanks doing well and hell if you want to buff tanks damage output so they are better killers of other tanks thats cool with me but deciding only a tank should kill a tank is asinine
jerrmy12 kahoalii Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 4	Posted - 2013.09.22 07:11:00 - [52] - Quote i never said that, but 3-4 swarm bursts destroy tanks atm, militia, swarms.


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