I was just watching a gang of YouTube videos of DUST players, and I noticed something. 90% of all fire fights, the players aren't aiming down sights, while using ARs and SCRs...

Yet, every bullet fired was hitting, even from 60-70 meters out, even with submachine guns. Before you blame the 1.4 "aim-bot" a lot of these games were from before 1.4.

Is this a product of using systems besides a standard console controller? Even when I used kb&m, I still didn't have magnetic bullets. All I kept seeing was people pointing in the general direction and spraying. DUST has a very fast ADS for any FPS, so I wonder why people don't use it.


How often do you ADS? What setup do you use?

I guess it brings up the skill argument of using systems to make your gun fighting abilities better than they normally are.

I disagree on calling the ADS in this game fast. I find it to be painfully slow. I used to play BF3 on max sensitivity, so Dust always feels like playing in a swimming pool.

With that said, the most time consuming way to engage in a gunfight is to spot, raise sights, bead, shoot. Much faster to just hip fire, and certain weapons really benefit from that type of playstyle. AR's and scrambler rifles being the big two.

Other games handle this by giving variable dispersion rates, one for hip and on for ADS, or they alter the dispersion when using the sights. As far as I can tell, bringing up the sights gives you almost no benefit to accuracy, so it just becomes a time waster when in a gunfight.

This is what I'm afraid of. This is what made TARs so OP before the nerfed them. Just point in general direction and spray. However, you shots should be more accurate if you are lining up a bead then 1 horizontal, and 1 vertical crosshairs(or the classic "cheat" of putting a permanent red dot on your monitor where center shot is.).
But since ARs and SMGs are the only ranged weapons that have projectile dispersion, maybe its fair?

It seems DUST is caught in a limbo, and this is how players are getting into arguments about what is OP or not. How is the game meant to be played? Twitch? Precision? Cover/tactics? Slow kill? Fast kill?

I haven't timed the ADS directly, but it's faster than any CoD ADS. ARs and SCRs at least have virtually instant ADS

I think that's a lot of people who complain about ARs. They forget that the person shooting them may have the weapon maxed out.
I do see a lot of actual aim bot thing occurring, like back in MW2. Where you hip fire, and the bullets stutter out of the barrel and have pin point accuracy. Its some kind of kb&m setup you can buy.

Aim mechanics and hit detection have never been static in this game - CCP is always tweaking them. If you are looking at Chromosome videos, you are looking at targets with relatively low SP and hitpoints ... proto really DID rule the battlefield back then and high proficiency top tier players could afford to just hip fire and standard suits would melt. When Uprising 1.0 dropped the TAC AR was beastmode in hipfire and did so much DPS that you didn't have to hit with every shot, even at range.

Current mechanics DO reward ADS - if you get a bead on a guy he will die very fast with ADS because your bullets will all hit if you can keep your sight on target. He will die, but die slower, if you hipfire. A lot of people hipfire to compensate for their own movement even at range, and while this will result in a kill, it is a much slower kill than if you ADS. In extreme CQC of course hipfire is preferable because you get more hits regardless of dispersion (geometry of cones...) and ADS nerfs your turn rate.

TL;DR - no, it's not just modded controllers. ADS is still preferable. Hipfire kills are easy yes, but require more rounds fired than ADS.