I tried this game again after the new patch and as a previous Hmg user I find this build I cant seem to use it like I used too? did it get a nerf? The patch notes seem to say it got a buff? I just get walked through by every Assault rifle on the field.

I cant see myself continuing with the Heavy build for the HMG anymore. Is there anyone still using it what's your advice? I really seem to do better with my militia assault rifle more range better accuracy should I continue with the HMG or go AR?

To maximize your effectiveness,
Start out in a Light/Med Frame. Get to objective, lay down some well placed uplinks/nanohives.

Either wait until you are killed or get to a supply depot to change to your heavy. Stick to cover. Interiors are best. Especially tightly enclosed places. This prevents your opponents from outmaneuvering you.

Pay attention to your surroundings.

The Tacnet is practically useless, so pretend it isn't even there. Keep looking in all directions. If you are indoors, make sure nobody gains a height advantage on you or you will get headshot.

Don't engage at ranges outside 35 m. While you can kill from greater distances, the amount of ammo you spend trying to is ridiculous.

Always have a Logibro with you.

Save your SP and use a militia AR or Exile until the HMG becomes competitive again. I get hit by HMGs at range and then realise they're doing about 1hp damage per round. The poor buggers.

wow i toke the wrong turn to use the HMG then and go 25/4 with it. totally not competitive at all.

yep and I go 25-4 with my militia AR on all the maps.

I tried this game again after the new patch and as a previous Hmg user I find this build I cant seem to use it like I used too? did it get a nerf? The patch notes seem to say it got a buff? I just get walked through by every Assault rifle on the field.

I cant see myself continuing with the Heavy build for the HMG anymore. Is there anyone still using it what's your advice? I really seem to do better with my militia assault rifle more range better accuracy should I continue with the HMG or go AR?

I tried this game again after the new patch and as a previous Hmg user I find this build I cant seem to use it like I used too? did it get a nerf? The patch notes seem to say it got a buff? I just get walked through by every Assault rifle on the field.

I cant see myself continuing with the Heavy build for the HMG anymore. Is there anyone still using it what's your advice? I really seem to do better with my militia assault rifle more range better accuracy should I continue with the HMG or go AR?

I tried this game again after the new patch and as a previous Hmg user I find this build I cant seem to use it like I used too? did it get a nerf? The patch notes seem to say it got a buff? I just get walked through by every Assault rifle on the field.

I cant see myself continuing with the Heavy build for the HMG anymore. Is there anyone still using it what's your advice? I really seem to do better with my militia assault rifle more range better accuracy should I continue with the HMG or go AR?

I love you HMG

I am training all weapons to level 3 on my main, would rather do that than super specialize in AR, even if's my strongest skill.

Threw scrambler up to 4 for assault scramblers, and had fun, really overheat fast, needs getting used to.

But yes, I also run a decent Advanced heavy fit with HMG, and when I do, stay in cover, don't even think about engaging at more than 30 meters, but I love Domi defending with flux and HMG.

Given those circumstances it's easy to have fun and go 15/5 or so, which is my benchmark for being useful and having fun.

Also, there is a strange over-confidence of AR users that is fun to exploit, let them see you for a bit out of cover, get shot at range and return a little fire, they see they don't take much damage, and come closer.

Had a lovely kill just like that last night, where I just did a little strafing around a crate yesterday, and suddenly unged into melee range and basically one shotted him in the first blast. Fun times.


A lot of maps don't really support that playstyle and then I do something else

I often put up much more impressive numbers with my 100% militia AR fatty than I do with my mostly Proto HMG Heavy.

::sigh::

Someone's bad at DUST

Stop pretending pub heavies are any good. You could take one out easily since all they do is charge.

HMG is fine - the only change it's gone through since it's last buff is it over-heats faster and is easier to aim with with less recoil. The HMG QQ threads are just bad heavies wantings CCP to fix there problems for them.

The gallente heavy weapon will have to be the single most dangerous up close gun out there.

The gallente heavy weapon will have to be the single most dangerous up close gun out there.

Would it be nice if it had a slower rate of damage fall off? Sure, and I honestly think CCP will get there, but since they just removed the turn caps and bumped the strafe speeds, I think we should just chill out and let them get numbers on whats going on.

No still on strike, going on week 2. Until all content is released for the heavy and the HMG is not a joke to other weapons I will refuse to use it. Of course the trolls and whatnot's will have there say about my post. The most common is at least there is one less HMG/FG on the field. No what it means is less diversity in the game.

I'm definitely looking forward to taking a Caldari Heavy suit, full shield in the top, kincats/stabs in the lows. Speed + death = profit!

I am training all weapons to level 3 on my main, would rather do that than super specialize in AR, even if' its my strongest skill.

Threw scrambler up to 4 for assault scramblers, and had fun, really overheats fast, needs getting used to.

But yes, I also run a decent Advanced heavy fit with HMG, and when I do, stay in cover, don't even think about engaging at more than 30 meters, but I love Domi defending with flux and HMG.

Given those circumstances it's easy to have fun and go 15/5 or so, which is my benchmark for being useful and having fun.

Also, there is a strange over-confidence of AR users that is fun to exploit, let them see you for a bit out of cover, get shot at range and return a little fire, they see they don't take much damage, and come closer.

Had a lovely kill just like that last night, where I just did a little strafing around a crate yesterday, and suddenly lunged into melee range and basically one shotted him in the first blast. Fun times.


A lot of maps don't really support that playstyle and then I do something else

HMG is not as bad as some make it out to be. There are just A LOT of bad heavies out there.

It could use a slight buff, but it's not that bad. Ppl quickly forget how OP heavies were just a couple builds ago.

I could EASILY take on 1v4 ppl and come out on top. I could even 1v2 good players. I even had NO worries about engaging players at medium/long range. (as long as they weren't very good)

Now, you have to keep most of your engagements in CQC. I can only 1v2 bad or mediocre players... generally in CQC, and you can forget medium range engaements. (unless opponent is terribad) I'm in trouble against good players, except in sub-20m range. Which is where my strength is anyway.

As I said above, HMG could use a slight buff, but it's not as bad as ppl make it out to seem.

You are supposed to be able to take on several persons. That is why you as a heavy are supposed to be area denial. One on one as a heavy is a slap in the face. We are supposed to chew thru anything that tries to take our position. Have you ever seen what a real HMG does in combat. There is a reason the enemy have to strategies to take out a machine gun nest and not solo it like an AR user can in this game. The heavy is a joke. If you say other wise you have no concept of what a battle is really like and have never fired anything above a standard rifle. I am proficient in the use of the 50. Cal, M230 Chain gun, and the M249 Saw so ya I know what the F*** I am talking about. Also have you never heard of the Phalanx system, this is what we need for anti air in Dust.

You are supposed to be able to take on several persons. That is why you as a heavy are supposed to be area denial. One on one as a heavy is a slap in the face. We are supposed to chew thru anything that tries to take our position. Have you ever seen what a real HMG does in combat. There is a reason the enemy have to strategies to take out a machine gun nest and not solo it like an AR user can in this game. The heavy is a joke. If you say other wise you have no concept of what a battle is really like and have never fired anything above a standard rifle. I am proficient in the use of the 50. Cal, M230 Chain gun, and the M249 Saw so ya I know what the F*** I am talking about. Also have you never heard of the Phalanx system, this is what we need for anti air in Dust.

this is a mistake ^^

you need to specialize into your first weapon, by all means once your core skills are done and you are wearing a solid proto suit start to branch out, but without specialization in at least one weapon you are handicapping yourself drastically, and this is coming from a guy who did the exact same thing pre-uprising.

Strictly, it is a mistake if I can only enjoy the game by maximizing my efficiency. I'ts not a mistake if I like playing different roles on the battlefield :)

But don't worry, I began by going proto gallente assault with most of the cores at 4 and 5 and L5 AR specialization, it's just that the final level fives are incrementally less fun than trying out a less efficient playstyle (I even spent some on my poor Baloch ).

But hey, they can be worth it, my final L5 PG skill yesterday let me upgrade most of my fits by approx two enhanced modules to prototype, so that was definitely fun

I am training all weapons to level 3 on my main, would rather do that than super specialize in AR, even if' its my strongest skill.

Threw scrambler up to 4 for assault scramblers, and had fun, really overheats fast, needs getting used to.

But yes, I also run a decent Advanced heavy fit with HMG, and when I do, stay in cover, don't even think about engaging at more than 30 meters, but I love Domi defending with flux and HMG.

Given those circumstances it's easy to have fun and go 15/5 or so, which is my benchmark for being useful and having fun.

Also, there is a strange over-confidence of AR users that is fun to exploit, let them see you for a bit out of cover, get shot at range and return a little fire, they see they don't take much damage, and come closer.

Had a lovely kill just like that last night, where I just did a little strafing around a crate yesterday, and suddenly lunged into melee range and basically one shotted him in the first blast. Fun times.


A lot of maps don't really support that playstyle and then I do something else

Excellent.

Obtain triage nanohives from nearby supply depo and toss down near objective then run back to depo and select heavy plus HMG and back to stand on triage nanohives.
+50,+50,+50,+50,+50...lol!

Collect hatemail i.e. reported to CCP for hacking lol then I respond to the hatemail with "marketplace" "triage nanohive"

Excellent.

Obtain triage nanohives from nearby supply depo and toss down near objective then run back to depo and select heavy plus HMG and back to stand on triage nanohives.
+50,+50,+50,+50,+50...lol!

Collect hatemail i.e. reported to CCP for hacking lol then I respond to the hatemail with "marketplace" "triage nanohive"

I'm pretty much with Sota. Sure it sucks if you are out in the open and get caught. I suggest getting a LAV to ferry you about.

The HMG is very potent up close, and although it can be outmuscled when it is caught out of its optimal the same can be said about any gun.

Would it be nice if it had a slower rate of damage fall off? Sure, and I honestly think CCP will get there, but since they just removed the turn caps and bumped the strafe speeds, I think we should just chill out and let them get numbers on whats going on.

The gallente heavy weapon will have to be the single most dangerous up close gun out there.

This is how it should be. To make Heavies a mini 1-man army, would break the game's balance between the different roles.

But making them a 1man walking turret, is Just Fine??

Militia Forge gun: Direct damage 1200, splash 210

80GJ Railgun: Direct damage 1180, splash 180

Both have same blast radius: 2.5 m
The only drawback forge gun has, is that it has a 1.4 second longer interval between shots.
But at higher skill levels, it has equivalent delay time.

To get extreme, there's the DCMA-5 Breach Forge Gun, which out-damages ANY RAILGUN, AT ANY LEVEL.
2310 damage

That's just insane.

As soon as you went for the realism card your argument stops holding water.

This game is in no way realistic. Nuclear baseballs, auto tracking and corner turning magic missiles, not to mention things like the FG, or even the laser weaponry.

Second, this is a game, and needs to be balanced as such. There is no room for people who demand realism in a sci-fi shooter.

Lastly, in spite of your claimed use of those weapon systems, I find it dubious that you are actually as well versed in them as you claim. If you were, you would not compose an argument like you did, which quite frankly is a very childish response. You are essentially saying that if the game isn't made exactly how you want you will quit. Which is fine, I think you should quit, biomass your character and forget about this game.

Although I love the idea of a phalanx for AA work, given how soft dropships are, it would be more than a little overkill. But I appreciate that you went to wikipedia and looked up some weapon system numbers to try and lend some sort of weight to your argument.

I am training all weapons to level 3 on my main, would rather do that than super specialize in AR, even if' its my strongest skill.

Threw scrambler up to 4 for assault scramblers, and had fun, really overheats fast, needs getting used to.

But yes, I also run a decent Advanced heavy fit with HMG, and when I do, stay in cover, don't even think about engaging at more than 30 meters, but I love Domi defending with flux and HMG.

Given those circumstances it's easy to have fun and go 15/5 or so, which is my benchmark for being useful and having fun.

Also, there is a strange over-confidence of AR users that is fun to exploit, let them see you for a bit out of cover, get shot at range and return a little fire, they see they don't take much damage, and come closer.

Had a lovely kill just like that last night, where I just did a little strafing around a crate yesterday, and suddenly lunged into melee range and basically one shotted him in the first blast. Fun times.


A lot of maps don't really support that playstyle and then I do something else

No its not a childish response, my response just shows the lack of understanding you say. Realism has no place in a game you say. You make me laugh, you apparently failed to have played a Tom Clancy, BF, or COD game. These are based on real life battles and real life equipment and they have been very successful. So your argument is null and void. Second, my experience in these weapons do exist and I have the paper work to prove it, Its called a DD214. If you think the military is all beans and bullets you need to educate yourself on DARPA and see what the future really does hold. First off over 200 years of family military heritage is what I stand on, not you, wilkipedia, or any other lame a** argument you can come up with. My ancestors, including myself have fought in one war or another from the Revolutionary war to current war on terrorism. So for that I am glad I can stand here and argue this with you because this shows freedom still exist.

I tried this game again after the new patch and as a previous Hmg user I find this build I cant seem to use it like I used too? did it get a nerf? The patch notes seem to say it got a buff? I just get walked through by every Assault rifle on the field.

I cant see myself continuing with the Heavy build for the HMG anymore. Is there anyone still using it what's your advice? I really seem to do better with my militia assault rifle more range better accuracy should I continue with the HMG or go AR?

I do. I am determined to optimize my performance with the HMG. I can't possibly believe that all is lost with my favorite weapon. Cause when I have good games, its really fun mowing down the competition. So if those games are good then what am I doing right in that game that I don't in others? So continue I will on mastering the HMG and my heavy strategy...

Have you tried turning the HMG off and on again?

not really. having a heavy suit with an ar is still better than one with an hmg.

clip size doesn't matter, the effective range of the gun is like 3 meters.

Why wouldn't you do that with the minmatar. You caldari are seriously screwed up. Your virture isn't speed its shield buffer and somewhat, shield regen. You will get the longest range weapons, which should mean you should be MORE okay with scarificing a little of that buffer, probably for some damage mods, so your longest range rifle can rip people apart from a distance.

I love you HMG

I tried this game again after the new patch and as a previous Hmg user I find this build I cant seem to use it like I used too? did it get a nerf? The patch notes seem to say it got a buff? I just get walked through by every Assault rifle on the field.

I cant see myself continuing with the Heavy build for the HMG anymore. Is there anyone still using it what's your advice? I really seem to do better with my militia assault rifle more range better accuracy should I continue with the HMG or go AR?

I said that realism has no place in a game with nuclear baseballs. There is a difference. The next time that you can perform a charged up laser shot in BF, then we can talk about that. This game has almost no realism involved, and expecting it is certainly going to lead to you being disappointed.

My opinions on your service are immaterial, although I still find your claims highly dubious, if only for your seeming lack of ability to comprehend english, a skill normally valued in Defense related industries. Regardless, if you served, good for you.

I don't need an education in what the military is about, I served my tour under conditions that most American soldiers couldn't take. I know this because when Americans did come down to Guiana to do our jungle course, they invariably were quite surprised at how we did things.

If you fought in the war on terror, then there is a whole list of things I could call you, but that is a matter that does not need to be tread upon here, as it is both diversionary, and highly inflammatory. But good for you for supporting hegemony and being part of a war of aggression.

Finally, if you think that as an American you are still free, or that you have rights, you are sorely mistaken, and I genuinely feel bad for you. But if you did serve, you at least deserve respect for being willing to put your life at risk for what you believe in.

First of you piece of S*** do not ever talk S*** about the US military or the war on terrorism you F*** head. How is my English you dumb Mother F***. If our country was so terrible why is it millions of illegals from Mexico to South America have been flooding our borders. You are like most talk S*** about how bad the US is but once the SHTF who do you come begging to save your sorry A**. So go F*** yourself you Lama riding, D*** sucking, piece of S***. You and your country is not even worth mentioning in any history book. Brazil needs to just go ahead an Annex your piece of S*** country and do the F***** world a favor.

Can't tell if trolling or...

I am training all weapons to level 3 on my main, would rather do that than super specialize in AR, even if' its my strongest skill.

Threw scrambler up to 4 for assault scramblers, and had fun, really overheats fast, needs getting used to.

But yes, I also run a decent Advanced heavy fit with HMG, and when I do, stay in cover, don't even think about engaging at more than 30 meters, but I love Domi defending with flux and HMG.

Given those circumstances it's easy to have fun and go 15/5 or so, which is my benchmark for being useful and having fun.

Also, there is a strange over-confidence of AR users that is fun to exploit, let them see you for a bit out of cover, get shot at range and return a little fire, they see they don't take much damage, and come closer.

Had a lovely kill just like that last night, where I just did a little strafing around a crate yesterday, and suddenly lunged into melee range and basically one shotted him in the first blast. Fun times.


A lot of maps don't really support that playstyle and then I do something else

First of you piece of S*** do not ever talk S*** about the US military or the war on terrorism you F*** head. How is my English you dumb Mother F***. If our country was so terrible why is it millions of illegals from Mexico to South America have been flooding our borders. You are like most talk S*** about how bad the US is but once the SHTF who do you come begging to save your sorry A**. So go F*** yourself you Lama riding, D*** sucking, piece of S***. You and your country is not even worth mentioning in any history book. Brazil needs to just go ahead an Annex your piece of S*** country and do the F***** world a favor.

Using tactics is fun. Seeing how far you can manipulate someone into doing what you want them to do.

I've done the same things to heavies. Act like you are wounded and running away and draw them out of cover. Flux and SMG until golden brown and delicious.

Can't tell if trolling or...

First of you piece of S*** do not ever talk S*** about the US military or the war on terrorism you F*** head. How is my English you dumb Mother F***. If our country was so terrible why is it millions of illegals from Mexico to South America have been flooding our borders. You are like most talk S*** about how bad the US is but once the SHTF who do you come begging to save your sorry A**. So go F*** yourself you Lama riding, D*** sucking, piece of S***. You and your country is not even worth mentioning in any history book. Brazil needs to just go ahead an Annex your piece of S*** country and do the F***** world a favor.

I tried this game again after the new patch and as a previous Hmg user I find this build I cant seem to use it like I used too? did it get a nerf? The patch notes seem to say it got a buff? I just get walked through by every Assault rifle on the field.

I cant see myself continuing with the Heavy build for the HMG anymore. Is there anyone still using it what's your advice? I really seem to do better with my militia assault rifle more range better accuracy should I continue with the HMG or go AR?

all I play is heavy, mostly HMG except when some silly red dot brings out a vehicle (more often than not...)

HMG when fit proper just melts.

now in CQC in a competitive match, it is EASILY countered now, which is the downside. gotta play smart to make it work now