You should totally make a post about this everyday until someone listens to you

Dual Ishukone Assault SMG's, Allotek flux grenades, and over 900 armor.

Say hello to the city smasher.

I'm pretty sure Heavy suits were made in mind with a defense role position, that is why they are slow they stay and defend objective area's and not run out into fire fights. If you are interested in running around capture objectives try assault or scout.

You know, I came here with the intention of writing a post in defense of HMG fatties.

But I have the skills for the SMG thing you're suggesting already...I'm going to have to give that bad boy a try for **** and giggles.

Boundless HMG has 48% higher DPS on paper. But hey, I'll try it before I knock it.

I only have prof 4 on my SMG's, but the combo of proto flux and dual damage mods make the twin SMG's very lethal up close.

The biggest difference is that in on/off trigger situations, the SMG's out DPS the HMG by a country mile. Where you lose out is in a sustained fire fight. Two or three levels into SMG sharpshooter will help turn the tide versus shotguns and mass drivers in a pinch.

You can't even be point defense anymore....the hmg while it was improved didn't get near as much as a benefit from 1.4 than the ar .......the ar requires 0 skill now just point and shoot.....the hmg DPS on paper doesn't account for spread and dispersion....the ar still wins unless you at literally on top of the enemy

Oh yea, where did you get that idea? Out of your ass? Who said that specifically heavies should have to sit and wait for MAYBE a kill? Why is it that every suit has an option to play for both offensive and defensive but the heavy is stuck to one role? Who ever said sending in something that deals tons of damage and takes tons of damage into battle first so that the lesser health teammates can pick of the skimmings was a bad idea? NO one, because it's not.

I will also have to give this a try. How is your stamina like?

Urban warfare particularly inside buildings is the one place I don't want to run into an HMG.

I'm pretty sure Heavy suits were made in mind with a defense role position, that is why they are slow they stay and defend objective area's and not run out into fire fights. If you are interested in running around capture objectives try assault or scout.

you are correct... heavies are objective defenders and ground holders...

they are meant to cover choke points and stay near cover.

however if you want more range with the HMG I believe there is a long range variant

They are a support role. There are there to soak up a little extra damage and to spread a little extra damage around. Also to die.

Urban warfare particularly inside buildings is the one place I don't want to run into an HMG.

Heavies with heavy machine guns excel in point defense. Meaning staying around or on a point and defending it. Not trying to go around like an assault suit and get out gunned from a TAC AR at range.

Additionally if you add team work to the mix the heavy HMG combo can be used as an excellent pusher. All that glorious HP buffer and DPS. Having a few assaults to escort the heavy (walking instead of sprinting) and making sure the heavy doesn't get caught with his fat down by long range weapons is necessary for this.

This is why you never see HMGs in high-end PC matches.

er....

Sometimes, I like to Hang out behind the crest of a hill, or near some cover, then I'll tease the AR scrubs into coming closer by letting them drop some of my shields then breaking their line of sight. They get antsy for the kill, run in all gung-ho like. That's when I strike!

Oh yea, where did you get that idea? Out of your ass? Who said that specifically heavies should have to sit and wait for MAYBE a kill? Why is it that every suit has an option to play for both offensive and defensive but the heavy is stuck to one role? Who ever said sending in something that deals tons of damage and takes tons of damage into battle first so that the lesser health teammates can pick of the skimmings was a bad idea? NO one, because it's not.

There's an actual comment from one of the devs that describes the HMG as merely a support weapon and not meant for assaulting or used as a primary frontal engagement. That's why the damage is weak.

Oh yea, where did you get that idea? Out of your ass? Who said that specifically heavies should have to sit and wait for MAYBE a kill? Why is it that every suit has an option to play for both offensive and defensive but the heavy is stuck to one role? Who ever said sending in something that deals tons of damage and takes tons of damage into battle first so that the lesser health teammates can pick of the skimmings was a bad idea? NO one, because it's not.

Do you have any idea where this is? It does seem that an offhand comment was made and somehow the community thinks this to be true but I am not sure that it was set in stone that is the role they are going for the heavy. Seems pretty contradictory to their original heavy role.

I don't remember which DEV said it, but they are meant to be point defense.

What roles are heavys with HMG's supposed to do?

The thing i found strange about the heavy is why does the HMG gain accuracy when you fire it? shoulnt it lose accuracy from a already tight ridicule over extanted periods of firing time? This is the only game that iv seen that does this:/

camp 1 objective whole match and get assist points.

Point Defense. Ha.

The problem with "Point Defense" is that it falls into one of 3 categories.

1. You stand there the entire match and do nothing while no one comes.

2. You get overrun by a squad of 6 Assaults who are using weapons that do as much damage as the HMG (if not more) at further range.

3. You do well and actually, against all odds, hold back the 6 Assaults. They drop an OB on your head (since they've been racking up kills while you've been standing there "defending") and you die and they take the objective anyhow.

If "Point Defense" is the Heavy's role then we're broken. Look up Point Defense and you'll notice they are all short range high powered missile systems or 4500+ RPM ballistic systems designed to stop or cripple an enemy target in one hit. They are usually highly armored (as part of Naval ships or Military bases) and pretty immobile.

So now that we've defined "Point Defense" lets look at the Heavy.

High Powered Weapons
We have the HMG which fires at a paltry rate of 1500 RPM (1/3 the Phalanx) and definately cannot stop a player in one hit. It takes an HMG a decent time (when comparing it to what a "Point Defense" weapon should do) to stop a target.

Next we have the Forge Gun, which while harder to aim can actually stop someone in one hit. But for that reason its been labeled OP by the community and "needs to be nerfed".

Heavily Armored
We have, when fully tanked, roughly 1400 armor which is barely 2x what is obtainable from tanking Logistics or Assault suits. In addition we have a TTL of just about 3 seconds (and that's one AR) and we die pretty much instantly when fired at by multiple targets.

Immobile
We have that. So we're 1 for 3.

So theres that. Can people either stop shunning us off to do "Point Defense" please? We are ill fitted to do that and pretty much every other role in the game can do it just as poorly.

Point Defense. Ha.

The problem with "Point Defense" is that it falls into one of 3 categories.

1. You stand there the entire match and do nothing while no one comes.

2. You get overrun by a squad of 6 Assaults who are using weapons that do as much damage as the HMG (if not more) at further range.

3. You do well and actually, against all odds, hold back the 6 Assaults. They drop an OB on your head (since they've been racking up kills while you've been standing there "defending") and you die and they take the objective anyhow.

If "Point Defense" is the Heavy's role then we're broken. Look up Point Defense and you'll notice they are all short range high powered missile systems or 4500+ RPM ballistic systems designed to stop or cripple an enemy target in one hit. They are usually highly armored (as part of Naval ships or Military bases) and pretty immobile.

So now that we've defined "Point Defense" lets look at the Heavy.

High Powered Weapons
We have the HMG which fires at a paltry rate of 1500 RPM (1/3 the Phalanx) and definately cannot stop a player in one hit. It takes an HMG a decent time (when comparing it to what a "Point Defense" weapon should do) to stop a target.

Next we have the Forge Gun, which while harder to aim can actually stop someone in one hit. But for that reason its been labeled OP by the community and "needs to be nerfed".

Heavily Armored
We have, when fully tanked, roughly 1400 armor which is barely 2x what is obtainable from tanking Logistics or Assault suits. In addition we have a TTL of just about 3 seconds (and that's one AR) and we die pretty much instantly when fired at by multiple targets.

Immobile
We have that. So we're 1 for 3.

So theres that. Can people either stop shunning us off to do "Point Defense" please? We are ill fitted to do that and pretty much every other role in the game can do it just as poorly.

Assault Forge Gun

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Dual Ishukone Assault SMG's, Allotek flux grenades, and over 900 armor.

Say hello to the city smasher.

Give it a whirl with dual Calas and giggle to the loot pile.

Have someone else throw the flux, and you bring core locus to clear out stragglers.

None of the dispersion problems of the HMG, still decent DPS up close, where you want to be with a fatty anyway.

Finally, you can ran dual complex sidearm mods, to beef up both weapons at once.

That was how I have ran since uprising came out ,when the HMG went in the crapper. Even though hit detection fixes made it really viable, the penalty compared to the light weapons is too severe, so the dual SMGs still handle business for me.