Unless this aim assist is removed or everyone's HP receives some kind of crazy triple buff, the Dust 514 experience and economy is in serious jeopardy. There is no justification for the speed in which players die now and the related costs are far too excessive. I refuse to believe that this was the intended effect because it's way too radical compared the way Dust was before 1.4.

What say you?

I agree. Ppl die to fast now. You can't strafe as well anymore which ruins what dust was.

I agree. Ppl die to fast now. You can't strafe as well anymore which ruins what dust was.

Unless this aim assist is removed or everyone's HP receives some kind of crazy triple buff, the Dust 514 experience and economy is in serious jeopardy. There is no justification for the speed in which players die now and the related costs are far too excessive. I refuse to believe that this was the intended effect because it's way too radical compared the way Dust was before 1.4.

What say you?

i hope your jokeing about the strafe thing because if you need that to win an have fun you suck just as much as the guy who made the post.

i hope your jokeing about the strafe thing because if you need that to win an have fun you suck just as much as the guy who made the post.

i hope your jokeing about the strafe thing because if you need that to win an have fun you suck just as much as the guy who made the post.

I am doing just fine. Same as always. Seems like you relied too much on the bad hit detection and high strafe speeds of previous versions. Adapt or die ************.

I am adapting, I didn't rely of bad hit detection. (Maybe I did.. I am a scout after all lol) but I did rely on strafing. After all dust was all about strafing. And aiming... Now it doesn't require much of both anymore. At least not as much as it used to.

Ah well.... I still do pretty well.

Don't use what you can't afford to lose.

Ladies and Gents this is the number one rule in new eden and should apply to every facet of any game that is set in this world. Do not use what you cant afford.

And to those who say that their proto suits are now far to squishy, aren't most of you the same people telling everyone over and over again that there is not a huge difference between proto and advance and that we should just HTFU and L2P, it there wasn't such a huge difference why did you use them all the time in the first place, and why are you complaining so much now that you cant afford to use them all the time.

Fine, then give me an advanced logi suit that has 4 equipment slots.

Fine, then give me an advanced logi suit that has 4 equipment slots.

Exactly what I was getting at, people would say over and over again, ADV and proto does not have much of a difference, but theres a huge difference, in slot layout. So HTFU and use proto sparingly and see how well you do instead of relying on that crutch to carry you through every fight you are ever in.

Don't need a hp buff, more like a damage reduction nerf

They increased damage by 10% because of bad hit detection and that fixed some things. Now that hit detection is fixed, they need to remove that 10% damage buff.

That's just one hot fix we know about because it was documented. Imagine all the little ninja fixes they did between 1.0 and 1.4 uprising.
I wouldn't be surprised if they tweaked anything from weapon dispersion to hit boxes to compensate for hit detection and aiming.

There was a point where your hitbox got bigger the faster you ran .... I don't know if its still there.

That's just one hot fix we know about because it was documented. Imagine all the little ninja fixes they did between 1.0 and 1.4 uprising.
I wouldn't be surprised if they tweaked anything from weapon dispersion to hit boxes to compensate for hit detection and aiming.

Your both wrong. The 10% buff was because of the removal of the 10% buff that the Weaponry skill used to provide that was removed at uprising when the whole skill tree was changed. the damage has not been buffed at all.

Posting the following info on upcoming changes to weapon damage and HMG balance on behalf of CCP Rement since he's knee deep in making these changes. He will also be answer questions and discussing this topic in this thread as well.

Tl;dr version:
GÇó In the next hot-fix weapons will all get a 10% damage increase to compensate for the removal of the Weaponry skill bonus.
GÇó HMG damage buffed to 18 HP (including aforementioned 10% increase) and given a 5% dispersion buff.
GÇó In the near future, we will address range issues by removing the hard stop that currently takes place at maximum weapon range.

In Chromosome, the Weaponry skill gave an across the board 2% damage bonus to handheld weapons per level. Given the low SP cost of the skill (and the fact that itGÇÖs a pre-req for every weapon in the game) the majority of players would just skill straight to level 5 making the skill pretty pointless. So, in Uprising we removed the skill bonus. The side effect of this, of course, is that time-to-kill has increased.

This, combined with some of the control issues weGÇÖve been seeing, has led to combat feeling worse than it did in Chromosome. We will address this with a hot-fix that gives an across the board 10% increase to all handheld weapon damage to put DPS back to where it was. Additionally, weGÇÖve increased HMG damage and reduced the dispersion penalty when moving by 5% to address issues with the weapon.

The removal of the Sharpshooter skill (which gave bonuses to range) has also highlighted some issues with range in general. Weapon classes need unique range profiles. I doubt anyone would dispute that. And the sharpshooter skill was pushing far too many weapons beyond their intended engagement ranges. While itGÇÖs removal has caused some issues, the SS skill was a crutch and it hid more deep-seated problems with range in the game. It will not be coming back.

Right now, all weapons have an optimal and maximum range. Unfortunately, at its max range the weapon simply stops doing damage. This is bad for a whole host of reasons and weGÇÖll be addressing this with a point release in the near future by giving all weapons an optimal, effective and absolute range. Up to the optimal range weapons will do 100% damage (shield/armor profiles notwithstanding) and then drop off slowly towards their effective range. From effective range out to the absolute range damage will drop noticeably but weapons will still do incidental damage even at extreme ranges.

Unless this aim assist is removed or everyone's HP receives some kind of crazy triple buff, the Dust 514 experience and economy is in serious jeopardy. There is no justification for the speed in which players die now and the related costs are far too excessive. I refuse to believe that this was the intended effect because it's way too radical compared the way Dust was before 1.4.

What say you?

Unless this aim assist is removed or everyone's HP receives some kind of crazy triple buff, the Dust 514 experience and economy is in serious jeopardy. There is no justification for the speed in which players die now and the related costs are far too excessive. I refuse to believe that this was the intended effect because it's way too radical compared the way Dust was before 1.4.

What say you?

Unless this aim assist is removed or everyone's HP receives some kind of crazy triple buff, the Dust 514 experience and economy is in serious jeopardy. There is no justification for the speed in which players die now and the related costs are far too excessive. I refuse to believe that this was the intended effect because it's way too radical compared the way Dust was before 1.4.

What say you?

i hope your jokeing about the strafe thing because if you need that to win an have fun you suck just as much as the guy who made the post.

Unless this aim assist is removed or everyone's HP receives some kind of crazy triple buff, the Dust 514 experience and economy is in serious jeopardy. There is no justification for the speed in which players die now and the related costs are far too excessive. I refuse to believe that this was the intended effect because it's way too radical compared the way Dust was before 1.4.

What say you?

I am adapting, I didn't rely of bad hit detection. (Maybe I did.. I am a scout after all lol) but I did rely on strafing. After all dust was all about strafing. And aiming... Now it doesn't require much of both anymore. At least not as much as it used to.

Ah well.... I still do pretty well.

Or increase battle rewards Think outside the box, you will go places!

Keep telling yourself that. I don't use my proto suit for extra survivability I use it because it's the only one that has 4 equipment slots. Want repairs? Got it. Want ammo? Got that too. Want a nanopen? Got that too. Want me to scan too? Oops, my ADV suit only has 3 equipment slots and having 4 is somehow a crutch. Good luck getting shot in the back by that aim assisted militia AR. Better luck next time...

i hope your jokeing about the strafe thing because if you need that to win an have fun you suck just as much as the guy who made the post.

Ladies and Gents this is the number one rule in new eden and should apply to every facet of any game that is set in this world. Do not use what you cant afford.

And to those who say that their proto suits are now far to squishy, aren't most of you the same people telling everyone over and over again that there is not a huge difference between proto and advance and that we should just HTFU and L2P, it there wasn't such a huge difference why did you use them all the time in the first place, and why are you complaining so much now that you cant afford to use them all the time.

I can't believe that some of you prefer this drastically different TTK in 1.4. Whole classes have been devalued because of it. Support logis can hardly do their thing without getting obliterated; scouts die almost instantly; and heavies have little to show for their HP advantage because standard and militia ARs rip through them like a knife through warm butter. These maps are too big and this game is too diverse for it to become some Tom Clancy tactical FPS where people instantly wither under fire.

The only people who benefit from this change are cheap fit assault players who now enjoy far too much success thanks to a game mechanic that doesn't require AR users to have any individual skill to slay high HP players.

I've seen AA move my barrel for me & I've sliced through heavies like butter with my Toxin AR & SMG, which totally feels wrong, despite the kills it nets me. AA can stay, but either reduce RoF or buff armor. Its far too easy to kill higher level suits with low level gear, imho. Feels like I barely have to try. lol
I can completely understand the ISK loss concerns & I won't give you a hard time for voicing them.

Yes gabriel can't move and aim and think about red things at the same time its to hard!!! everyone stand still and shoot at each other!

Stand still while i kill you boy!

if suits move over 10m/s yes strafeing is viable..... we don't care if we die in this game the whole clone thing...

These maps are to big for everyone to stand behind wall's and pick away at each other... and we haven't even got to what the map sizes are actually supposed to be.

I know fast pace gameplay may be confusing but that is 100% of every game reviewer's problem with DUST and you only purpose to slow it further down.

Unless this aim assist is removed or everyone's HP receives some kind of crazy triple buff, the Dust 514 experience and economy is in serious jeopardy. There is no justification for the speed in which players die now and the related costs are far too excessive. I refuse to believe that this was the intended effect because it's way too radical compared the way Dust was before 1.4.

What say you?

Unless this aim assist is removed or everyone's HP receives some kind of crazy triple buff, the Dust 514 experience and economy is in serious jeopardy. There is no justification for the speed in which players die now and the related costs are far too excessive. I refuse to believe that this was the intended effect because it's way too radical compared the way Dust was before 1.4.

What say you?

it stopped the mass driver QQ so i can deal with it, i guess.

Me say...stop running all Proto and Advanced gear in a friggin' Instant Battle. If you do...you deserve to be poor.

~Here ended the lesson~

well I can run positive easily in proto gear. If you stopped dieing in your proto gear in pub matches you would be fine. Plus you do realise if you dropped down your suit to STD or ADV you would be able to run positive much easier if you wanted to gain income.

Thanks. It's also quite different for non-assault players as well. Many of us play conservative from an attacking standpoint and have always used our proto gear for its ability to increase our survivability and the way it allows us to fit effective support equipment. Before 1.4 you could play smart in proto gear, avoid deaths (and therefore save ISK), and do great things as a logi. But now it's just too easy to get murdered by low SP, basic gear players. What's the point of gaining experience, working towards elite gear, and getting better at a game if everyone and their mom has the lethality that was once associated with the truly elite players in this game? What then is the point of character development, specialization, and dedication?

I made a thread about this earlier in the week comparing the effects of the update to inflation in economics. Those of us who earned these precious skill points have experienced a huge loss of value thanks to this build. Like a person's savings, our SP and the gear it has opened up and afforded us has been diminished due to the fact that noobs can now kill us with amatuer gear, low skills, and little talent. In my opinion, the divide that seperates the high SP players from the low SP players should only be crossed by the most talented of FPS players. Everyone else should have to pay their dues and experience the meta game that is long-term player development and skill acquisition.

Unless this aim assist is removed or everyone's HP receives some kind of crazy triple buff, the Dust 514 experience and economy is in serious jeopardy. There is no justification for the speed in which players die now and the related costs are far too excessive. I refuse to believe that this was the intended effect because it's way too radical compared the way Dust was before 1.4.

What say you?

1.) there is no "economy" in this game. Theres a play and be rewarded system. Along with a "give money" function. But theres no standing market, therefore the economy isn't at risk...... simply because there isn't one.

2.) This game already has the longest 1v1 battles of any game ive ever played. Aim assist doesn't make people do so much more damage as to warrant a "triple buff"

Aim assist in 1.4 simply made the game more tactical and less "whoever strafes better wins"

No longer is a 1v1 decided on who can strafe and aim better, but by whomever makes the better positioning decision before the engagement. Which personally I enjoy. And speed isn't useless now either. its just less relevant in a 1v1 strafe fight. Its still excellent for running between objectives.

I think CCP could remove the 10% weapon damage buff they gave to all weapons at the launch of uprising. It's nice to see that proto is much less viable in pub matches. I've been arguing for a long time that balancing cost is the best way to keep the freedom to use proto gear when you want (DUST is supposed to be a sandbox after all), but be unable to sustain that play style indefinitely.

Just increase the TTK's probably best done on the weapon side.

Agreed. TTKs are too low, more likely due to better hit detection than aim assist. But i'm sure AA isn't making TTKs any longer.

Yes and HD is probably more important those Duvolles ******* hurt now let alone the Balac's

1.) there is no "economy" in this game. Theres a play and be rewarded system. Along with a "give money" function. But theres no standing market, therefore the economy isn't at risk...... simply because there isn't one.

2.) This game already has the longest 1v1 battles of any game ive ever played. Aim assist doesn't make people do so much more damage as to warrant a "triple buff"

Aim assist in 1.4 simply made the game more tactical and less "whoever strafes better wins"

No longer is a 1v1 decided on who can strafe and aim better, but by whomever makes the better positioning decision before the engagement. Which personally I enjoy. And speed isn't useless now either. its just less relevant in a 1v1 strafe fight. Its still excellent for running between objectives.

an you must be a kb / mouse user if you cant kill a person with a mouse you suck.

Unless this aim assist is removed or everyone's HP receives some kind of crazy triple buff, the Dust 514 experience and economy is in serious jeopardy. There is no justification for the speed in which players die now and the related costs are far too excessive. I refuse to believe that this was the intended effect because it's way too radical compared the way Dust was before 1.4.

What say you?

Strafing is wrong, if you use the "kbm strafing" that is, and any of you who have used such tactic against any DS3 user should feel ashamed and quite frankly I bet you just played Dust to feel like you were big shots, now.. well, now you are target practice mofos, so suck on that.. ahahhaah

*this was for the lulz, nonetheless I'm serious about all of it

Strafing is an essential part of a tracking FPS, you know, what Dust 514 is supposed to be. It makes fights more interesting than who has the highest EHP and the fastest trigger finger. People don't like strafing because it exposes a weakness that this "modern" FPS generation lacks- aiming. I'm not talking about point, click, shoot but sustained aim and the ability to track a moving target.

(Bunch of spoiled brats, back in my day we had to rocket jump to school, over a pit of lava...)

Strafing is wrong, if you use the "kbm strafing" that is, and any of you who have used such tactic against any DS3 user should feel ashamed and quite frankly I bet you just played Dust to feel like you were big shots, now.. well, now you are target practice mofos, so suck on that.. ahahhaah

*this was for the lulz, nonetheless I'm serious about all of it

Yeah... I thought the AR was pretty balanced before myself... but now? Yeah man, that **** is OP.

I want to use this quote 'Strafing is wrong' ... lol zomg lol ... if what you say is true and I play Dust to feel like a big shot ... I thank you for the QQ deposit sir! :)

dear hit***... *facepalm*
No, thank you for those tears, didnt you read? the * section, guess you just wanted any reason to QQ

I don't even give a sh** if you use aimbot or not, if you strafe or not, if you go proto, militia or aur, I'm going to kill you at some point

I can't believe that some of you prefer this drastically different TTK in 1.4. Whole classes have been devalued because of it. Support logis can hardly do their thing without getting obliterated; scouts die almost instantly; and heavies have little to show for their HP advantage because standard and militia ARs rip through them like a knife through warm butter. These maps are too big and this game is too diverse for it to become some Tom Clancy tactical FPS where people instantly wither under fire.

The only people who benefit from this change are cheap fit assault players who now enjoy far too much success thanks to a game mechanic that doesn't require AR users to have any individual skill to slay high HP players.

being a heavy and having over 1000 EHP and over 10mil SP invested into the heavy class, i feel like its wasted since now that i die in about 2 seconds flat from an exile AR. shields gets torn apart like its paper and armor doesnt last that long enough is there really a point in having a heavy now in this game? a heavy is suppose to be good at CQC but even at CQC an AR user with AA takes me out in 2 seconds.

so basically after 1.4 playing as a heavy doesnt seem so viable now. im running with my skin weave suits since heavies just can't survive anymore with the AA on. We already have it tough before 1.4 but that was still manageable, now after 1.4 not so much

SO what I said right? the fact that there was hit detection issues in no way affects that damage for pretty much all weapons was kept constant from what it was in Chromosome when hit detection was good.

Lets hope heavies and scouts get some love in 1.5/6

This is the biggest Problem I see, with 1.4 CCP has removed nearly all of the RPG part. Whats left is only a lobby shooter where neither SP nor equipment really matters.

Right now grinding means nothing as it don't give you a real advantage in survivability. With the combination of a strong aim assist and improved hit detection for most weapons even proto suits and high SP player die in seconds.
I don't know if thats rally a good thing sure new players will have an easier time but there will be the moment when they realise that the protosuits means nothing on the battlefield.

With 1.4 CCP simply has devalued SP gain and higher tier gear. IMHO thats a step in the wrong direction if you consider that Dust claims to be more than a fps...