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SirManBoy
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
175
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Posted - 2013.09.08 06:39:00 -
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Unless this aim assist is removed or everyone's HP receives some kind of crazy triple buff, the Dust 514 experience and economy is in serious jeopardy. There is no justification for the speed in which players die now and the related costs are far too excessive. I refuse to believe that this was the intended effect because it's way too radical compared the way Dust was before 1.4.
What say you? |
gabriel login
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
63
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Posted - 2013.09.08 06:48:00 -
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on the real just shut up about the aim assist its not even that great . on top of that it only works from like 20 or so feet away anything over that is just pure aim skill. an you must be a kb / mouse user if you cant kill a person with a mouse you suck. |
CharCharOdell
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
638
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Posted - 2013.09.08 06:49:00 -
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it stopped the mass driver QQ so i can deal with it, i guess. |
DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles
1097
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Posted - 2013.09.08 06:51:00 -
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I agree. Ppl die to fast now. You can't strafe as well anymore which ruins what dust was. |
2-Ton Twenty-One
Ancient Exiles
931
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Posted - 2013.09.08 06:52:00 -
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SirManBoy wrote:Unless this aim assist is removed or everyone's HP receives some kind of crazy triple buff, the Dust 514 experience and economy is in serious jeopardy. There is no justification for the speed in which players die now and the related costs are far too excessive. I refuse to believe that this was the intended effect because it's way too radical compared the way Dust was before 1.4.
What say you?
well I can run positive easily in proto gear. If you stopped dieing in your proto gear in pub matches you would be fine. Plus you do realise if you dropped down your suit to STD or ADV you would be able to run positive much easier if you wanted to gain income. |
gabriel login
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
63
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Posted - 2013.09.08 07:06:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:I agree. Ppl die to fast now. You can't strafe as well anymore which ruins what dust was. i hope your jokeing about the strafe thing because if you need that to win an have fun you suck just as much as the guy who made the post. |
THUNDERGROOVE
ZionTCD
166
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Posted - 2013.09.08 07:09:00 -
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It's really not that bad, I put together a suit called "Poverty" last night and have been doing pretty well.
Amarr logistics A-1 Two basic shield extenders Enhanced plate Enhanced repper 'Toxin' Assault rifle 'Toxin' ICD-9 Submachinegun K-2 Nanohive Stable drop uplink Tend to go 10-20/1-10 depending on how much proto crap I see.
Helps me make more ISK to send to my vehicle alt since tanks are expensive |
Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
270
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Posted - 2013.09.08 07:33:00 -
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i wount call it the death of the game and poverty only comes to those who dont adapt to changing times. The games become more ranged based now as anyone who gets too close is cut down by mutiple crosses of fire,i rather like this more tactical. |
Vell0cet
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
141
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Posted - 2013.09.08 07:55:00 -
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I think CCP could remove the 10% weapon damage buff they gave to all weapons at the launch of uprising. It's nice to see that proto is much less viable in pub matches. I've been arguing for a long time that balancing cost is the best way to keep the freedom to use proto gear when you want (DUST is supposed to be a sandbox after all), but be unable to sustain that play style indefinitely. |
Ansiiis The Trustworthy
WE ARE LEGENDS
282
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Posted - 2013.09.08 08:01:00 -
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Shotgun and an advanced caldari suit = profit.
if going proto - Duvolle, left full of dmg mods, right full of armour plates. |
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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S.
136
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Posted - 2013.09.08 08:03:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:I agree. Ppl die to fast now. You can't strafe as well anymore which ruins what dust was. I am doing just fine. Same as always. Seems like you relied too much on the bad hit detection and high strafe speeds of previous versions. Adapt or die ************. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1774
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Posted - 2013.09.08 08:15:00 -
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SirManBoy wrote:Unless this aim assist is removed or everyone's HP receives some kind of crazy triple buff, the Dust 514 experience and economy is in serious jeopardy. There is no justification for the speed in which players die now and the related costs are far too excessive. I refuse to believe that this was the intended effect because it's way too radical compared the way Dust was before 1.4.
What say you? Stupid.
Game is fine the way it is. ISK is not hard to come by in this game. |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
442
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Posted - 2013.09.08 08:17:00 -
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gabriel login wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:I agree. Ppl die to fast now. You can't strafe as well anymore which ruins what dust was. i hope your jokeing about the strafe thing because if you need that to win an have fun you suck just as much as the guy who made the post.
dude who are you? |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
442
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Posted - 2013.09.08 08:25:00 -
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Seems like AA turned dust into scrubfest.
I've always run in a scout suit. It used to be pretty terrible in previous builds. Now it's simply unusable. 200 ehp on somie fits turns to vapor in milliseconds. It does not even matter anymore if you run into someone good or just some scublet fresh out of academy. They point their magic noobtubish AR in you general direcition and it's game over for you. So, Death 514 is definitely the name of the game now. I am not so sure about poverty. High end suits were never meant to be fielded in pubs. There was too much abuse in previous builds that came from feasibility of running proto in pubs and ending up positive in the end. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
3904
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Posted - 2013.09.08 09:08:00 -
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I've had only one match in 1.4 where I've run ISK negative, and that's the one time I managed to screw up and get my Gunnlogi blown up.
Don't use what you can't afford to lose.
In saying that, I don't think CCP intended for death to come quite as fast as it does now, and I hope they find way to tune things to some kind of middle ground between what we had before and now. |
DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles
1101
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Posted - 2013.09.08 09:14:00 -
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gabriel login wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:I agree. Ppl die to fast now. You can't strafe as well anymore which ruins what dust was. i hope your jokeing about the strafe thing because if you need that to win an have fun you suck just as much as the guy who made the post. I don't NEED it to win. I liked it. It was a lot more fun when you can 1v3 mlt noobs and strafe all 3 and own them.
What's wrong with strafing? You do know that dust had been a strafing game since beta right?
It's not my fault their aim was so bad they couldn't hit a strafing scout. But with AA and reduced strafe speed.. Now they can :( |
Cosgar
ParagonX
4965
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Posted - 2013.09.08 09:16:00 -
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gabriel login wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:I agree. Ppl die to fast now. You can't strafe as well anymore which ruins what dust was. i hope your jokeing about the strafe thing because if you need that to win an have fun you suck just as much as the guy who made the post. Strafing is an essential part of a tracking FPS, you know, what Dust 514 is supposed to be. It makes fights more interesting than who has the highest EHP and the fastest trigger finger. People don't like strafing because it exposes a weakness that this "modern" FPS generation lacks- aiming. I'm not talking about point, click, shoot but sustained aim and the ability to track a moving target.
(Bunch of spoiled brats, back in my day we had to rocket jump to school, over a pit of lava...) |
DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles
1103
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Posted - 2013.09.08 09:19:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:I agree. Ppl die to fast now. You can't strafe as well anymore which ruins what dust was. I am doing just fine. Same as always. Seems like you relied too much on the bad hit detection and high strafe speeds of previous versions. Adapt or die ************. I am adapting, I didn't rely of bad hit detection. (Maybe I did.. I am a scout after all lol) but I did rely on strafing. After all dust was all about strafing. And aiming... Now it doesn't require much of both anymore. At least not as much as it used to.
Ah well.... I still do pretty well. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
4967
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Posted - 2013.09.08 09:21:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:I agree. Ppl die to fast now. You can't strafe as well anymore which ruins what dust was. I am doing just fine. Same as always. Seems like you relied too much on the bad hit detection and high strafe speeds of previous versions. Adapt or die ************. I am adapting, I didn't rely of bad hit detection. (Maybe I did.. I am a scout after all lol) but I did rely on strafing. After all dust was all about strafing. And aiming... Now it doesn't require much of both anymore. At least not as much as it used to. Ah well.... I still do pretty well. I can attest to Marauder and the business end of his shogun. (when it worked) Dude sprint strafes like a boss. |
SgtDoughnut
M.E.R.C. Elite D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
38
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Posted - 2013.09.08 10:20:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:
Don't use what you can't afford to lose.
Ladies and Gents this is the number one rule in new eden and should apply to every facet of any game that is set in this world. Do not use what you cant afford.
And to those who say that their proto suits are now far to squishy, aren't most of you the same people telling everyone over and over again that there is not a huge difference between proto and advance and that we should just HTFU and L2P, it there wasn't such a huge difference why did you use them all the time in the first place, and why are you complaining so much now that you cant afford to use them all the time. |
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Cosgar
ParagonX
4976
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Posted - 2013.09.08 10:21:00 -
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SgtDoughnut wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:
Don't use what you can't afford to lose.
Ladies and Gents this is the number one rule in new eden and should apply to every facet of any game that is set in this world. Do not use what you cant afford. And to those who say that their proto suits are now far to squishy, aren't most of you the same people telling everyone over and over again that there is not a huge difference between proto and advance and that we should just HTFU and L2P, it there wasn't such a huge difference why did you use them all the time in the first place, and why are you complaining so much now that you cant afford to use them all the time. Fine, then give me an advanced logi suit that has 4 equipment slots. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1779
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Posted - 2013.09.08 10:23:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:SgtDoughnut wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:
Don't use what you can't afford to lose.
Ladies and Gents this is the number one rule in new eden and should apply to every facet of any game that is set in this world. Do not use what you cant afford. And to those who say that their proto suits are now far to squishy, aren't most of you the same people telling everyone over and over again that there is not a huge difference between proto and advance and that we should just HTFU and L2P, it there wasn't such a huge difference why did you use them all the time in the first place, and why are you complaining so much now that you cant afford to use them all the time. Fine, then give me an advanced logi suit that has 4 equipment slots.
For the amount of ISK you pay for an ADV suit you do not deserve 4 equipment slots. |
SgtDoughnut
M.E.R.C. Elite D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
39
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Posted - 2013.09.08 10:41:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:SgtDoughnut wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:
Don't use what you can't afford to lose.
Ladies and Gents this is the number one rule in new eden and should apply to every facet of any game that is set in this world. Do not use what you cant afford. And to those who say that their proto suits are now far to squishy, aren't most of you the same people telling everyone over and over again that there is not a huge difference between proto and advance and that we should just HTFU and L2P, it there wasn't such a huge difference why did you use them all the time in the first place, and why are you complaining so much now that you cant afford to use them all the time. Fine, then give me an advanced logi suit that has 4 equipment slots.
Exactly what I was getting at, people would say over and over again, ADV and proto does not have much of a difference, but theres a huge difference, in slot layout. So HTFU and use proto sparingly and see how well you do instead of relying on that crutch to carry you through every fight you are ever in. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
4976
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Posted - 2013.09.08 10:49:00 -
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SgtDoughnut wrote:Cosgar wrote:SgtDoughnut wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:
Don't use what you can't afford to lose.
Ladies and Gents this is the number one rule in new eden and should apply to every facet of any game that is set in this world. Do not use what you cant afford. And to those who say that their proto suits are now far to squishy, aren't most of you the same people telling everyone over and over again that there is not a huge difference between proto and advance and that we should just HTFU and L2P, it there wasn't such a huge difference why did you use them all the time in the first place, and why are you complaining so much now that you cant afford to use them all the time. Fine, then give me an advanced logi suit that has 4 equipment slots. Exactly what I was getting at, people would say over and over again, ADV and proto does not have much of a difference, but theres a huge difference, in slot layout. So HTFU and use proto sparingly and see how well you do instead of relying on that crutch to carry you through every fight you are ever in. Keep telling yourself that. I don't use my proto suit for extra survivability I use it because it's the only one that has 4 equipment slots. Want repairs? Got it. Want ammo? Got that too. Want a nanopen? Got that too. Want me to scan too? Oops, my ADV suit only has 3 equipment slots and having 4 is somehow a crutch. Good luck getting shot in the back by that aim assisted militia AR. Better luck next time... |
I-Shayz-I
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
866
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Posted - 2013.09.08 11:00:00 -
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Don't need a hp buff, more like a damage reduction nerf
They increased damage by 10% because of bad hit detection and that fixed some things. Now that hit detection is fixed, they need to remove that 10% damage buff. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
4976
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Posted - 2013.09.08 11:07:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:Don't need a hp buff, more like a damage reduction nerf
They increased damage by 10% because of bad hit detection and that fixed some things. Now that hit detection is fixed, they need to remove that 10% damage buff. That's just one hot fix we know about because it was documented. Imagine all the little ninja fixes they did between 1.0 and 1.4 uprising. I wouldn't be surprised if they tweaked anything from weapon dispersion to hit boxes to compensate for hit detection and aiming. |
DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles
1107
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Posted - 2013.09.08 11:10:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:Don't need a hp buff, more like a damage reduction nerf
They increased damage by 10% because of bad hit detection and that fixed some things. Now that hit detection is fixed, they need to remove that 10% damage buff. That's just one hot fix we know about because it was documented. Imagine all the little ninja fixes they did between 1.0 and 1.4 uprising. I wouldn't be surprised if they tweaked anything from weapon dispersion to hit boxes to compensate for hit detection and aiming. There was a point where your hitbox got bigger the faster you ran .... I don't know if its still there. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
4976
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Posted - 2013.09.08 11:12:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:Cosgar wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:Don't need a hp buff, more like a damage reduction nerf
They increased damage by 10% because of bad hit detection and that fixed some things. Now that hit detection is fixed, they need to remove that 10% damage buff. That's just one hot fix we know about because it was documented. Imagine all the little ninja fixes they did between 1.0 and 1.4 uprising. I wouldn't be surprised if they tweaked anything from weapon dispersion to hit boxes to compensate for hit detection and aiming. There was a point where your hitbox got bigger the faster you ran .... I don't know if its still there. Looks like it. |
KIRSTY j
The Walking Targets
0
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Posted - 2013.09.08 11:16:00 -
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my deaths haven't really changed. would rather aim assist then enemy that have no hit detection. I think the game is playable now. before facing the same players every game that couldn't be killed was very frustrating. |
Corum Irsie
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
31
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Posted - 2013.09.08 11:32:00 -
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There are to many of these threads, it's very simple. Obviously those of us who have been here for any amount of time will adapt to whatever CCP throws at us. In my opinion aim assist that slows the reticle as it aproaces an enemy is fine, aim assist that includes a little friction when the reticle moves across an enemy is fine. I can not however support an aim assist with magnatism, if you need the computer to aim for you I don't know what to say other then get good. CCP all you have to do is get rid of the magnatism associated with aim assist and all will be right with the world once again. |
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