CCP, I want all the SP I invested into Sniper Rifle Operations and the skills that require it refunded for all my characters and accounts.

You are consistently making the weapon weaker and less effective.

You took away the ability for a sniper to see to its effective range. You refuse to even acknowledge that this is a problem.

While all suits in Uprising were given more HP and slots giving them more EHP. Without devoting a massive amount of skill points into Weapon Upgrades and Sniper Rifle Proficiency, A tactical sniper rifle no longer does enough damage to kill a starter fit.

Then without warning or reason you reduced the damage a sniper rifle does for head-shots by 20%, while the change to 90% damage to shields means that without a head-shot it takes at least 2 shots to break through them on even the Gallente and Amarr suits. And although it does 110% damage to armor, the new armor plate bonuses have completely nullified that minor boon.

You even said that your new map design philosophy is to stop snipers from getting up high. Each of the new maps has either structures that are too sloped to stand atop of or they damage you for being on. Their mountainous and well developed terrain also prevents commonly traversed terrain that can be guarded against infantry movement.

You clearly no longer want the weapon in the game, you're trying you best to take away its greatest advantages. Just remove it entirely and give us back our SP

I use a Covenant sniper rifle with 3 complex damage mods and kill everything in 1 shot, worst case scenario 2 shots, AT MOST.

I have sniper operation level 2.

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What are you talking about bros.

Without devoting a massive amount of skill points into Weapon Upgrades and Sniper Rifle Proficiency, A tactical sniper rifle no longer does enough damage to kill a starter fit.

I use a Covenant sniper rifle with 3 complex damage mods and kill everything in 1 shot, worst case scenario 2 shots, AT MOST.

I have sniper operation level 2.

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What are you talking about bros.

I'm not saying you aren't a team player but, statistically the worst players on the team with the least amount of contribution to the team are snipers. Sure there are great snipers out there, they are specialists.

You are either incredibly lucky, and always end up fighting against militia-fit noobs in pub matches, or downright lying. I have sniper proficiency 3 and use charge sniper (the one that does most damage), with complex mods (what else?). This means I do over 400 dmg per fully charged shot.
In pub matches, if I'm shooting a guy at full health, there's probably less than 50% chance I'll do a OHK. Anything other than pubs, the situation is even worse. Fully tanked proto medium suits can go over 1000 HP, proto heavies go well over 1500 now. That means 2-3 fully charged shots to take down someone, in rare cases even 4! Anything else than a charge (or officer) rifle means you have to empty your clip to kill a proto suit (tactical snipers would actually need 2 clips to take down a heavy!).
Exception to all this is, of course, headshot, which you can score either by luck, or if you're shooting someone standing still (other sniper or some noob). There are people here on forums who claim they score regular headshots even on moving targets, but I'm sure there aren't many of them who can pull this off. Nevertheless, situations where I did score a headshot with fully charged shot and the guy was still standing are not that uncommon too.



Dedicated snipers can and will score 15+ kills in a match rather regularly (depends on circumstances, I've seen snipers doing 40+ kills in a pub match). Saying that they didn't contribute by wiping off 15 people is rather silly.

People seem to forget that killing is sniper's primary duty on the battlefield. Sure, recon is important too, but if recon is sniper's primary duty, give them binoculars, not rifles! Also, snipers can't hack objectives, drop nanos/uplinks or repair armor, and still be snipers. If they can't kill effectively, then there really isn't much sense for them to be in a match.

DUST is no heaven for snipers, although some people still insist that it is, because there's no rifle sway. In FPS games where you do have sway, you don't have to land 2-3 consecutive shots to take someone out - that's a big difference.

CCP, why do you hate snipers?

CCP, I want all the SP I invested into Sniper Rifle Operations and the skills that require it refunded for all my characters and accounts

You even said that your new map design philosophy is to stop snipers from getting up high. Each of the new maps has either structures that are too sloped to stand atop of or they damage you for being on. Their mountainous and well developed terrain also prevents commonly traversed terrain that can be guarded against infantry movement.

Of course. You're a sniper, not a camper. A sniper takes a shot and switches to another position. No "I camp here, take a killshot and move 2 steps back so they don't see me." Sooner or later you will even get a cloak device.

Also how do you think your victims felt? Shot out of nowhere, you die and there wa snothing you could do about it. Not it fells about right.

I mean you complain that you can't kill with a single shot. Of course you can't. You're almost invulnerable because you're so far away.

The only valid complaint I can see is, that snipers can't see to its effective range.

I use a Covenant sniper rifle with 3 complex damage mods and kill everything in 1 shot, worst case scenario 2 shots, AT MOST.

I have sniper operation level 2.

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What are you talking about bros.

Unfortunately, in skirmish which is the mode used to gain territory i.e. PC battles. I don't care about kills I care about holding ground and objectives. Yes a sniper can contain an enemy unit to a certain portion of the map and suppress the enemy but for how long? How many snipers do we need on the team? When a sniper is perched in a place on the map while the rest of the team is firing, maneuvering, talking and hacking points their contribution is limited.

I see snipers as primarily a pub match role. Are there snipers in PC battles? Sure! But they ultimately get counter sniped or the enemy team just pushes around them to hack the point.

Again, I'm not generalizing, There are amazing snipers out there but the contribution from a heavy or assault killing people in the squad is different then a sniper who is sitting on the top of a building stationary.

So are Snipers necessary, yes they are but again... The point of these changes in 1.4 IMHO is to deter the average user from sniping and thin out the population of snipers in the game. Only the specialists that are dedicated to sniping will continue doing ti.

When there are too many snipers out there the game isn't fun... Reminds me of snipe maps on counter strike back in the day.

Too bad a sniper can't call out where people are, because you can't see far enough. Another team mate has to have his eyes on them, in close range, before they will render.

Last night I was in a PC match, my fitting was the Advance Caldari Medium Ishukone Sniper Rifle, using 3 complex damage mods. It was a battle against Ill Omens, my main targets were NIKIA and DJINN Rampage. Both of them were near an instillation, so whenever they ran onto it they would stop rendering but their chevrons remained. I shot Rampage 5 times in a row and he remained alive. Cal-Logis are still amazing if you stack complex regulators and 1 or 2 rechargers. Because I was aiming for invisible opponents I had a virtually 0 chance of getting a headshot (which would have only done 600 damage anyways). The time it takes to line up a shot was enough time to reduce damage because of shields and repair the armor

Sniper positions are well known through the regular PC players. "[player X] is using a Thale's" cries out a team member, "where were you at?" the snipers ask, "at [y location]." Give it a minute or two before that person loses an officer weapon. There aren't many places one can go that gives them much of an advantage. Assault dropships are my bane when i'm up high and LAVs or tactical assault rifles are the counters when a sniper is on the ground.

This isn't about going 20/0 is a pub match. Except for the plasma cannon and scrambler rifle I can go into a pub and do that with any weapon, the plasma cannon is horrible and I haven't skilled into scrambler rifles.
This is about being effective and being a viable option while playing with a full team.

the problem is not killing basic players its killing proto's............... if you go with a basic sniper against a team full of players in basic gear it will take on average 1 shot to kill a scout 2-3 shots for a medium frame and 4-5 shots for a heavy if all shots are consecutive now if you use a proto sniper stacking mods shots to kill goes down by one shot ("just looking at scouts kill them")................... but against proto gear with the higher tank and faster regen on average it takes 0-2 shots for scouts lol, 3-5 shots for medium frames, 4-6 shots for a heavy..................... these are for consecutive shots mind you, im not saying that snipers need a dmg buff (" though I would like it") but maybe some side buffs like higher clip count, more noticeably better scopes etc...... also CCP whats up with the stealth sniper pg nerf not cool :D

i have a Sniper alt, and i know a lot of people that play as sniper.

Use at least 3 High powered slots for damage mods. get proficiency at least 3, AN THEN tell me you cannot 2-4 HKO anything.

BuT ,you snipers DO know you get headshot bonuses right?
Stop trying to get 1 HKO bodyshots,because its never going to happen on Anything proto but a scout

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I'm not saying you aren't a team player but, statistically the worst players on the team with the least amount of contribution to the team are snipers. Sure there are great snipers out there, they are specialists.

Too many people give up and start sniping on the redline. I see these penalties as a deterrent to keep folks out of the role.

Building maps with less fields of fire to encourage fire and maneuver tactics just means snipers will have to focus on a more narrow field.

There are only 16 players on a team, with 5 objectives in skirmish there just isn't enough bodies on a team to have more than 1-2 snipers.

[Use at least 3 High powered slots for damage mods. get proficiency at least 3, AN THEN tell me you cannot 2-4 HKO anything.