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George Moros wrote:

KING CHECKMATE wrote:

I use a Covenant sniper rifle with 3 complex damage mods and kill everything in 1 shot, worst case scenario 2 shots, AT MOST.

I have sniper operation level 2.

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What are you talking about bros.

You are either incredibly lucky, and always end up fighting against militia-fit noobs in pub matches, or downright lying. I have sniper proficiency 3 and use charge sniper (the one that does most damage), with complex mods (what else?). This means I do over 400 dmg per fully charged shot.
In pub matches, if I'm shooting a guy at full health, there's probably less than 50% chance I'll do a OHK. Anything other than pubs, the situation is even worse. Fully tanked proto medium suits can go over 1000 HP, proto heavies go well over 1500 now. That means 2-3 fully charged shots to take down someone, in rare cases even 4! Anything else than a charge (or officer) rifle means you have to empty your clip to kill a proto suit (tactical snipers would actually need 2 clips to take down a heavy!).
Exception to all this is, of course, headshot, which you can score either by luck, or if you're shooting someone standing still (other sniper or some noob). There are people here on forums who claim they score regular headshots even on moving targets, but I'm sure there aren't many of them who can pull this off. Nevertheless, situations where I did score a headshot with fully charged shot and the guy was still standing are not that uncommon too.

TcuBe3 wrote:

I'm not saying you aren't a team player but, statistically the worst players on the team with the least amount of contribution to the team are snipers. Sure there are great snipers out there, they are specialists.

Dedicated snipers can and will score 15+ kills in a match rather regularly (depends on circumstances, I've seen snipers doing 40+ kills in a pub match). Saying that they didn't contribute by wiping off 15 people is rather silly.

People seem to forget that killing is sniper's primary duty on the battlefield. Sure, recon is important too, but if recon is sniper's primary duty, give them binoculars, not rifles! Also, snipers can't hack objectives, drop nanos/uplinks or repair armor, and still be snipers. If they can't kill effectively, then there really isn't much sense for them to be in a match.

DUST is no heaven for snipers, although some people still insist that it is, because there's no rifle sway. In FPS games where you do have sway, you don't have to land 2-3 consecutive shots to take someone out - that's a big difference.


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TcuBe3 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 37	Posted - 2013.09.07 17:39:00 - [1] - Quote Because they are trying to tailor the game around squad based team play. I'm not saying you aren't a team player but, statistically the worst players on the team with the least amount of contribution to the team are snipers. Sure there are great snipers out there, they are specialists. Too many people give up and start sniping on the redline. I see these penalties as a deterrent to keep folks out of the role. Building maps with less fields of fire to encourage fire and maneuver tactics just means snipers will have to focus on a more narrow field. There are only 16 players on a team, with 5 objectives in skirmish there just isn't enough bodies on a team to have more than 1-2 snipers.
TcuBe3 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 37	Posted - 2013.09.07 18:52:00 - [2] - Quote George Moros wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: I use a Covenant sniper rifle with 3 complex damage mods and kill everything in 1 shot, worst case scenario 2 shots, AT MOST. I have sniper operation level 2. : / What are you talking about bros. You are either incredibly lucky, and always end up fighting against militia-fit noobs in pub matches, or downright lying. I have sniper proficiency 3 and use charge sniper (the one that does most damage), with complex mods (what else?). This means I do over 400 dmg per fully charged shot. In pub matches, if I'm shooting a guy at full health, there's probably less than 50% chance I'll do a OHK. Anything other than pubs, the situation is even worse. Fully tanked proto medium suits can go over 1000 HP, proto heavies go well over 1500 now. That means 2-3 fully charged shots to take down someone, in rare cases even 4! Anything else than a charge (or officer) rifle means you have to empty your clip to kill a proto suit (tactical snipers would actually need 2 clips to take down a heavy!). Exception to all this is, of course, headshot, which you can score either by luck, or if you're shooting someone standing still (other sniper or some noob). There are people here on forums who claim they score regular headshots even on moving targets, but I'm sure there aren't many of them who can pull this off. Nevertheless, situations where I did score a headshot with fully charged shot and the guy was still standing are not that uncommon too. TcuBe3 wrote: I'm not saying you aren't a team player but, statistically the worst players on the team with the least amount of contribution to the team are snipers. Sure there are great snipers out there, they are specialists. Dedicated snipers can and will score 15+ kills in a match rather regularly (depends on circumstances, I've seen snipers doing 40+ kills in a pub match). Saying that they didn't contribute by wiping off 15 people is rather silly. People seem to forget that killing is sniper's primary duty on the battlefield. Sure, recon is important too, but if recon is sniper's primary duty, give them binoculars, not rifles! Also, snipers can't hack objectives, drop nanos/uplinks or repair armor, and still be snipers. If they can't kill effectively, then there really isn't much sense for them to be in a match. DUST is no heaven for snipers, although some people still insist that it is, because there's no rifle sway. In FPS games where you do have sway, you don't have to land 2-3 consecutive shots to take someone out - that's a big difference. Unfortunately, in skirmish which is the mode used to gain territory i.e. PC battles. I don't care about kills I care about holding ground and objectives. Yes a sniper can contain an enemy unit to a certain portion of the map and suppress the enemy but for how long? How many snipers do we need on the team? When a sniper is perched in a place on the map while the rest of the team is firing, maneuvering, talking and hacking points their contribution is limited. I see snipers as primarily a pub match role. Are there snipers in PC battles? Sure! But they ultimately get counter sniped or the enemy team just pushes around them to hack the point. Again, I'm not generalizing, There are amazing snipers out there but the contribution from a heavy or assault killing people in the squad is different then a sniper who is sitting on the top of a building stationary. So are Snipers necessary, yes they are but again... The point of these changes in 1.4 IMHO is to deter the average user from sniping and thin out the population of snipers in the game. Only the specialists that are dedicated to sniping will continue doing ti. When there are too many snipers out there the game isn't fun... Reminds me of snipe maps on counter strike back in the day.