I take on three people at once and kill them, open with three grenades on the ground, scrambler pistol each one to get attention and then melee the first, ar the second and the third dies to grenade.

This is a team play game. The name is not COD 514 it is Dust 514. Join a TEAM and learn how to win fights as a team.

Welcome to New Eden sir, as an Eve player this is the type of thing that gets said (last alliance tourney) about good ships also ie T3 Cruisers. This aim assist feature works on many guns. The game has been broken for a while with excessive stacking of armor/shield mods creating high buffer fits that can't be taken down. Now it is my turn to use my squad to kill you like you have been killing me since closed beta. Welcome to battle earnings deficits and Isk loss instead of gain. Have some fun, Bpos don't run out. BTW my KDR as logi is somewhere around 0.5 and I have a lot of enjoyment in killing stacked suits by using tactics.

This is a team play game. The name is not COD 514 it is Dust 514. Join a TEAM and learn how to win fights as a team.

I exclusively played the AR in this game. I don't even know how any other weapon god damn functions.

Unfortunately this game has degraded into CoD. TTK is extremely low no matter how you fit your suit and aim-assist replaces the need for skill.

And how many times can you do that? I hope you're packing a lot of nanohives because that sure sounds like a lot of grenades, and a lot of work, in a game that's about shooting and killing. How far can you throw those grenades? Do you expect that tactic to work every time? Especially against a squad? I went 29/2 with an 'Exile', playing solo, no less. I threw no grenades and I rarely used my secondary. I'd like to see you EVER get that kind of effectiveness out of that tactic, no matter how skilled you are.

I will never go 29/2 again, not because I'm BAD now, but because it is simply not feasible anymore since skill is completely taken out of the equation.

Sorry, I stopped right there. How on earth can you possibly know what's over powered if you don't even know how powerful other weapons are? For example, I used to use the AR a ton in Chromosome and now use the Scrambler Rifle and it easily outclasses the AR is several situations.

Gamers are so close minded. Honestly aiming is a very negligible portion of skill in a shooter, believe it or not. Whether you survive an engagement or not relies much more on your situational awareness, combat knowledge, and wit than your aiming.

Gamers are so close minded. Honestly aiming is a very negligible portion of skill in a shooter, believe it or not. Whether you survive an engagement or not relies much more on your situational awareness, combat knowledge, and wit than your aiming.

Sorry, I stopped right there. How on earth can you possibly know what's over powered if you don't even know how powerful other weapons are? For example, I used to use the AR a ton in Chromosome and now use the Scrambler Rifle and it easily outclasses the AR is several situations.

Well, I dnt know about how he knows the AR is OP, but I do. I'm specced into at least the STD version of every light weapon, and gt the STD scram pistol and SMG with proto knives and the AR is what I can get the most kills and least deaths with now - WITH A NINJA PLAYSTYLE(!!!) It's able to do almost every job in the game!

the aim assist helps make the AR OP, but just the stats alone are OP so the DMG on the AR needs toned down AND the Aim assist.

I'm sorry, but both you and the author of that video don't know exactly what Aim Assist is.

That in the video is an awful combination of messed up hitboxes and lag latency.

Aim Assist doesn not make your bullet curve.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaom3cdZv1c

This is how Aim Assist actually works.

I know exactly how it works, scrub. Aim assist magnetized your sights onto a target and tracks it. Don't act like I don't know what I'm talking about. If you're correct, and I have no idea what I'm talking about, I guess I've been shooting blind the past 9 months, huh? I just closed my eyes and pressed r1. You caught me. Good work.

In that video you clearly see that bullets are NOT connecting. That's not aim assist, that's lag latency (HP drop even when hitscan is off) with hitbox issue, which is a currently increased problem in 1.4. This is why it did not happen in the past 9 months.

On a side note, calling people scrubs don't give you extra power, it just makes you seem a complete jerk, unpolite and childish. This is a forum to discuss and as an adult and respectful person I expect you to swallow your own passive-aggressive stuff.

I'm not being passive aggressive at all, I am directly being aggressive towards you. I did not cite anything from that video besides I generally agreed with it. That ONE case that he showed was indeed not aim assist. That's adorable that you think that's some kind of argument.

"Yeah, well that one guy used one example and it was wrong so like yeah you're wrong dude shut up aim assist is perfect. Alright guys, I showed him, we can go home now." No. Your point was totally irrelevant and moot. Lag and latency aren't even something I discussed.

Just because one case was incorrect does not mean there aren't 200,000 undocumented cases where aimbot was the issue.

I don't pretend to invalidate your post.

Also I don't know why you should be aggressive at all, I don't know your age, but I believe you're not a 13 years old kid and we can discuss like civil people. You made this thread, so you opened a discussion. You must be open to the discussion yourself to express your point and listen to the other forumers, as long as they don't break the forum rules.

So...

I know you didn't name latency and messed up hitboxes, that's why I'm bringing them in the discussion. They are part of the problem and I wanted you to notice that watching the video carefully.

I do not mean to bust your thread by saying this. I believe we must chill for one second and give time to the DEV's to understand what's happening to the AR. Yes, something might be messed up with the AR now, but believe me, if this happens in your example, it happens more and more times. It's not just that one in particular.

Now, you said you are a full-time AR user, that's ok, but listen to my feedback, because I have different experiences. I use the Scrambler Rifle a lot and I can assure you that thing does NOT happen with that weapon, at least not with the semi-auto version. I haven't tried the assault version yet after the update. Also, the Tactical Assault rifle, which is still an AR, is not "suffering" from this magic-bullets effect. Only the regular AR.

So maybe yes, there's something strange with the AR, but it can't be just the Aim assist, since it's not causing that with different weapons.

Does this make sense to you?

It probably creates extra latency based on how many AR projectiles are currently on field so it's not as noticeable with lower RPM ARs.

I wasn't sure exactly what you meant so I wanted you to clarify, thanks. Disabling it for myself would make me do worse, why would I handicap myself for no reason? Everyone needs to be on equal footing. And I think if the magic bullet effect is behind every shot hitting me 100% of the time, I obviously want that fixed too, but that's not even a known bug with 1.4 - the devs haven't acknowledged it as one (https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=106848). So, everything you're saying is not backed up by solid evidence.

And it's not making other weapons OP because of unique reasons, for example, the semi-auto Scrambler Rifle inherently has better accuracy. Semi-auto weapons reset the spread in between shots. With ARs, if you semi-auto it, it will have 100% accuracy. Other weapons naturally have higher accuracy, thus aim assist has less of an effect on them. Also they were either underpowered in the first place or naturally have a low maximum dps but give sustained damage for a longer period. Again, the AR is unique despite everyone wanting to believe it's not.

In summary, I haven't seen any posts made arguing your point, and each weapon gets affected uniquely by AA. The most grossly affected weapon is the AR, even though it is a "precision" weapon, it is hardly precise at all normally. Which makes sense.

"I used to be able to kill 6 players at the same time and now I can only kill one." Gimmie a friggin' break.

Yes, my point is not validated, though I'm pretty sure this is not among the "1.4" known issues" because it's a combination of several factors and not actual bugs. Lag has always been there and it might be more noticeable now because of the hit detection improvement.

So what if automatic weapons (or just the AR?) would get a slight Aim Assist decrease? I know it wouldn't make you happy, because you don't want aim assist at all, but...

... would that help in your opinion? Would that bring a better weapon balance across the board?

Since aim assist is most likely to stay (I actually like it because the whole aiming mechanic feels smoother now, but I can't pretend everyone likes it), do you think that may be a possible solution to at least fix the exaggerated impact it has on AR?

. . . . .Essentially, with this RIDICULOUS aim assist, this is CoD/Halo/BF3 with no health/shield regen. I can't continue fighting more than one person if they land EVERY shot. It's just not possible. How am I supposed to do ANYTHING if I can only kill one person at a time?

How many skillpoints do I need for the capability to kill TWO cherries fresh out of the Academy using MLT ARs? Cause clearly 12m sp is not enough. I have to kill one, hide, wait for the regen of armor, and run back, when normally I'd WALK through them, reload, and I can continue because 99% of the players in this game ******* suck and can't hit the broadside of a barn without an aimbot holding their hand, which is why speed tank used to be viable.

By not being able to play aggressively, this leads to stalemates. This leads to Skirmish being nothing but a TDM until an MCC explodes. I cannot change the tide of battle by myself because I am a cog in a machine thats existence is dedicated to zerg rushing as a mindless horde. . . . .

Squads are essentially the same with no real goals right now. Just tank and tank and tank and blob together. Maybe have an HAV or a sniper tag along. There is no skill required with that.

Troll or not, but following statement is true now more than ever:

If DUST was a game of Rock Paper Scissors, the AR would be Colony Drop.

However, right now I think AR would be more like endless zombie horde.

Brilliant post, because people exist who have 0 accuracy. Really, flawless argument. It's balanced that I can't kill 2 people no matter how awful they are, no matter how many more skillpoints I have than them, and no matter how much better at the game I am? Sure sounds like that's coming from a garbage player who can't do anything without crutches and contributes little to nothing in any squad he's ever in. Have to make sure you ALWAYS win when you're being a coward and teaming up on individuals, huh? Better make sure they don't get the satisfaction of showing bad players how bad they really are by killing them despite them 3v1ing.

I'm killing 2 people just fine. I just don't foolishly stand in their line of fire when I do it. (As I assume you are?)

Your skillpoints were meant to give you an edge, not guarantee a victory over, a lower SP player.

You were never supposed to be so dependent on your gear to win. It made you develop bad habits; playing habits that you mistook for skill.

If you think SP gives someone the right to talk, then don't speak; I have 17 million SP. Some people have 20 million and more, and we're all doing just fine.

HTFU

I'm killing 2 people just fine. I just don't foolishly stand in their line of fire when I do it. (As I assume you are?)

Your skillpoints were meant to give you an edge, not guarantee a victory over, a lower SP player.

You were never supposed to be so dependent on your gear to win. It made you develop bad habits; playing habits that you mistook for skill.

If you think SP gives someone the right to talk, then don't speak; I have 17 million SP. Some people have 20 million and more, and we're all doing just fine.

HTFU

Clearly you guys are either too stupid or too thick skulled to understand what I'm saying.

I RUN STANDARD SUITS. WITH STANDARD ARs. I COULD KILL 2 PEOPLE IN PROTO AT ONCE. Not because they were NEW PLAYERS, but because they sucked (were SVERs outside of their shiny enforcers) and I could outskill them. How do you ******* retards not get that? I should be able to grind through people based on pure skill, not just sp. I can be killed by anyone, easily, and I am killed often, easily.

You know why? Because I'm running STANDARD. I kill people with skill, not with gimmicks. I know that blows your puny underdeveloped minds but it was really an amazing reality that I lived in. A reality where I could massacre people if they sucked, regardless of their gear, just like if someone was better than me with any other weapon, they could wreck me. The artificial skill SP gives only goes so far, true skill nets you more kills unless you're playing "FOTM 514". I wasn't RAILING MLT IN PROTO GEAR. God some of you are such ******* morons.

Oh, a team game you say? Have you ever heard of the saying, a chain is only as strong as its weakest link? I really like that one. You know why? My team of GOOD players chokeslams your team of garbage zerg rushers. But now, our squads are completely even, even though yours is absolute trash and mine is comprised of incredibly skilled individuals. That's team play to you, though, isn't it?

Just go away.

Clearly you guys are either too stupid or too thick skulled to understand what I'm saying.

I RUN STANDARD SUITS. WITH STANDARD ARs. I COULD KILL 2 PEOPLE IN PROTO AT ONCE. Not because they were NEW PLAYERS, but because they sucked (were SVERs outside of their shiny enforcers) and I could outskill them. How do you ******* retards not get that? I should be able to grind through people based on pure skill, not just sp. I can be killed by anyone, easily, and I am killed often, easily.

You know why? Because I'm running STANDARD. I kill people with skill, not with gimmicks. I know that blows your puny underdeveloped minds but it was really an amazing reality that I lived in. A reality where I could massacre people if they sucked, regardless of their gear, just like if someone was better than me with any other weapon, they could wreck me. The artificial skill SP gives only goes so far, true skill nets you more kills unless you're playing "FOTM 514". I wasn't RAILING MLT IN PROTO GEAR. God some of you are such ******* morons.

Waaaah waaaah my e-penor is threatened by someone who can wreck me in an FPS when he's played FPSs since counterstrike. Why don't you pussies get over it and actually stay on topic? What a bunch of babies. Why did I even bother posting when all I get are morons trying to pretend they're better than me at the game.

If you're as senior of an fps player as you claim, then you shouldn't be getting so belligerent.

The puny little aim assist added to Dust, shouldn't make or break a skilled player like yourself.

Waaaah waaaah my e-penor is threatened by someone who can wreck me in an FPS when he's played FPSs since counterstrike. Why don't you pussies get over it and actually stay on topic? What a bunch of babies. Why did I even bother posting when all I get are morons trying to pretend they're better than me at the game.

You make a great case for taking you seriously when you randomly insult people, capitalize words, etc. - and then accuse other people of going off topic. You are the great communicator.

Gamers are so close minded. Honestly aiming is a very negligible portion of skill in a shooter, believe it or not. Whether you survive an engagement or not relies much more on your situational awareness, combat knowledge, and wit than your aiming.

Waaaah waaaah my e-penor is threatened by someone who can wreck me in an FPS when he's played FPSs since counterstrike. Why don't you pussies get over it and actually stay on topic? What a bunch of babies. Why did I even bother posting when all I get are morons trying to pretend they're better than me at the game.

I don't feel like communicating with people who are the equivalent of brick walls. The only argument you retards can come up with is, "Well, you must be bad!" or, "YOU are doing something wrong!" It's never refuting a single point it's only attempting to attack me and debate my skills, which are TOTALLY irrelevant. As soon as someone uses more than 3% of their mental capacity to debate me, I would love to give them a legitimate response, but so far the only people disagreeing have been mouthbreathing scrubs who need aimbot to go positive and can't handle the fact that there is someone out there (me) who actually is skilled enough to go positive without an aimbot.

I made a good point, and it's a shame most of it is ignored because people feel threatened that someone thinks they should be able to wreck your entire protostomping garbage tier corp squad if they absolutely outskill all of them ten fold. You're off topic as well. Funny how that works.

Edit: They also open up with, "You're 100% wrong. Here's what I think: _____" They're so dumb they don't even understand the concept of debate. I honestly have never seen a bigger, more dysfunctional and annoying forum than this one.

The issue here isn't the AR. The are is still fine.

The problem is the aim assist. Just get rid of it. There was no problem in 1.3 when we didn't have it. I actually kind of liked it since you actually had to aim.

CCP just turn off the aim assist, it makes this game far too easy.

Alright....I'm going to put my 2 cents into this topic, I do play nearly all the light weapons in the game at some time or another, except for the shotgun and I've been killed by every weapon type in the game and nearly every single type of AR gun, I have 7mil sp, little under that and my KD ratio is not a 2 it's more like a .90 meaning I can get stomped I die a lot in either version of the game.

1.4 though is honestly horrible, the smg is now way more powerful then the hmg at close range combat, since the smg has more power per bullet, when I was in 1.3 I could compensate a lot for this with skill, now since players do not miss...well that damage difference becomes truly noticable. As a heavy my hit box is huge people are making the 49m-50m shots with the ARs and basically not missing more then 60% of the bullets, which means with an HMG unless it is a pure close quarters match I am screwed, getting to the point I might as well forge snipping like most other heavies do.

While I am playing a advanced gallente assault suit, which I play with either an AR or scrambler rifle I have noticed one truth, no matter who I fight and typically how I engage them I will loose at least 50% of my health unless they do not see me at all. My gun isn't an instant killer like some people's, however, this makes it so that I have to hide after every engagement, not exactly the most fun, in a way the game is feeling like 1.2 where the guns all had different ranges and if you were out of range of someone you were sol that's how much fun the aimbot has drained out of the game.

The 1.4 patch it seems the devs did not test at all, major issues are forming with everything that they worked on, things that should have been caught with even the most basic of testing with more then 5 people. My current picks of FOTM for OPness currently are, the AR and the SMG, the two most aimbot assisted guns. The guns were fine before, just the aiming assist on them now makes them way to powerful for what they are. Also, my test method for guns is by using them and dying by them.

The issue here isn't the AR. The are is still fine.

The problem is the aim assist. Just get rid of it. There was no problem in 1.3 when we didn't have it. I actually kind of liked it since you actually had to aim.

CCP just turn off the aim assist, it makes this game far too easy.

Except it is an AR problem when no other weapon in the game is pulling out the DPS and range of the AR without losing anything. What other weapon is problematic with AA?

The SMG

Except it is an AR problem when no other weapon in the game is pulling out the DPS and range of the AR without losing anything. What other weapon is problematic with AA?

Someone actually testing. It's in Russian. He turns on the Aim Assist at around 1:30. There seems to be a large difference, though it may be him tracking manually.

The issue here isn't the AR. The ar is still fine.

The problem is the aim assist. Just get rid of it. There was no problem in 1.3 when we didn't have it. I actually kind of liked it since you actually had to aim.

CCP just turn off the aim assist, it makes this game far too easy.

I've been taking on 2-3+. I call it selective cover. Find cover for the majority while taking down one or two. Then change positions rinse and repeat. This is a tactical shooter. You're not supposed to run in on 5 guys shoot em in the face while doing the dougi. I bet you're a KBM player. Yeah they're all bitching about dying more.