Not because anything got buffed or nerfed. Simply because now people can aim better, and hit detection is allot better especially for AR's.

Heavy HMG was fine before 1.4, and in pubs it will still be fine...hell, even in PC a good heavy can still be decent....but an AR player will do better with less effort. Because of how the AA works now, ARs can out DPS HMGs in a CQC fight when the AR players strafe. The DPS of HMG is calculated with the thought of every bullet hitting the target. Bullet spread decreases the DPS drastically, and also when a heavy tries to strafe, the accuracy penalty increases. So in order for a heavy to try and land shots,to increase his potential DPS, he needs to be a sitting duck.

ARs on the other hand, from what I've seen while playing with them, I can dance around, jump, strafe and I'm still hitting my target with dead on accuracy, making the AR's DPS insane.

The HMG aim assist doesn't work as good as it does on ARs...and tbh, I don't know if there's any because I don't feel a difference.

I'm finished with being a heavy HMG player. All I have is a basic Proto Gallente and I've been doing pretty good with it. When heavy players realize they're getting outgunned by ARs more often, and they realize ARs > HMGs you'll start to see less, and less heavies, while the number of AR users go up.

Already I'm seeing less MDs. And tbh, as a heavy they would kill me no problem. As a Gallente AR user I eat them up.

At this point, I don't have the heart to be making thread after thread on the matter. I'm having fun with the AR. But I know this unbalance is bad for the game. I hope CCP reads this, and take a look at heavies and scouts again. ARs are eating everything up on the battlefield with little effort. Is it fun? Hell yes! It's not fun for the people that are using something else though.

Note: I'm not calling for a buff / nerf for anything. I'm not asking that AA be removed. I'm asking that CCP take a look at heavies and scouts. The introduction to AA and improved hit detection really shows how weak these classes are against ARs.

FoTM is finally going back to the Assault Rifle, with Laser Rifles following in 2nd position (haven't seen allot yet, but the number of users are increasing.

Aim Assist applies to HMG as well, so the grounds are even

Aim Assist applies to HMG as well, so the grounds are even

Not because anything got buffed or nerfed. Simply because now people can aim better, and hit detection is allot better especially for AR's.

Heavy HMG was fine before 1.4, and in pubs it will still be fine...hell, even in PC a good heavy can still be decent....but an AR player will do better with less effort. Because of how the AA works now, ARs can out DPS HMGs in a CQC fight when the AR players strafe. The DPS of HMG is calculated with the thought of every bullet hitting the target. Bullet spread decreases the DPS drastically, and also when a heavy tries to strafe, the accuracy penalty increases. So in order for a heavy to try and land shots,to increase his potential DPS, he needs to be a sitting duck.

ARs on the other hand, from what I've seen while playing with them, I can dance around, jump, strafe and I'm still hitting my target with dead on accuracy, making the AR's DPS insane.

The HMG aim assist doesn't work as good as it does on ARs...and tbh, I don't know if there's any because I don't feel a difference.

I'm finished with being a heavy HMG player. All I have is a basic Proto Gallente and I've been doing pretty good with it. When heavy players realize they're getting outgunned by ARs more often, and they realize ARs > HMGs you'll start to see less, and less heavies, while the number of AR users go up.

Already I'm seeing less MDs. And tbh, as a heavy they would kill me no problem. As a Gallente AR user I eat them up.

At this point, I don't have the heart to be making thread after thread on the matter. I'm having fun with the AR. But I know this unbalance is bad for the game. I hope CCP reads this, and take a look at heavies and scouts again. ARs are eating everything up on the battlefield with little effort. Is it fun? Hell yes! It's not fun for the people that are using something else though.

Note: I'm not calling for a buff / nerf for anything. I'm not asking that AA be removed. I'm asking that CCP take a look at heavies and scouts. The introduction to AA and improved hit detection really shows how weak these classes are against ARs.

FoTM is finally going back to the Assault Rifle, with Laser Rifles following in 2nd position (haven't seen allot yet, but the number of users are increasing.

Whatever dude its you guys who set the PC meta you have no one to blame but yourselves.

I'm going to go with the following..

1) You're wrong
2) Heavies are in a way better place, and FAR more competitive now than pre 1.3
3) I'm absolutely destroying people with far superior gear in CQC and (now, excitingly enough) mid range. Even in my basic, BPO suit.
4) Heavies have far superior HP, especially with the armor buffs. That means in the current meta of 'Stand and Deliver', heavies can take more punishment and win the gun fights far easier.
5) The new terrain - which has far more cover and routes for heavies to close the gap to CQC and Mid Range - allows heavies to dictate range and fight on preferable terms far better than before.

Heavies are far more competitive now. I've seen drastic increases in not only my effectiveness, but KD:R(As if that crap mattered). If you're giving it up, good luck. But to me, it sounds like you're doing it for all the wrong reasons.

EDIT: Oh, and I cant forget..
6) They removed our turn speed restrictions and reduced armor plate movement penalties! That's *HUGE*

Iv found heavys a fair bigger threat since the patch I think some playstyle and fitting adjustments and heavys will be a danger :-)

dafuq does meta have to do with a class balance?

Please stay on topic.

I've found them a bigger target personally

Bigger heads, bigger hitboxes + AA and my ability to jump and strafe.

I mean if people want to continue playing heavies, cool. The moment they step out of a pub game and face a good organized team, is the moment people see how weak the heavy is.

Honestly, I just run at heavies now. If he's alone, he's dead. And the funny thing is, i'm no beast assault player.

Does it matter. I don't use Amarrian dropsuits because they are the best dropsuits, they clearly aren't. I use them because I like them. If you set the PC meta to not using heavies because they are not optimal then that is your problem. Heavies still do well all over the place.

-- snip a bunch of crazy talk --

ITT: Heavy who couldn't cut it feels the need to tell the whole community he's going LOL MEDIUM+AR K GUYZ?

Whatever dude its you guys who set the PC meta you have no one to blame but yourselves.

Aim Assist applies to HMG as well, so the grounds are even

The heavy Mentality is amazing.

Heavy players received a triple buff, and guess what? They're still not happy

- Armour Got Buffed
-Strafe speed Decreased
-HMG reduced recoil

The heavy Mentality is amazing.

Heavy players received a triple buff, and guess what? They're still not happy

- Armour Got Buffed
-Strafe speed Decreased
-HMG reduced recoil

Do you also wanna be able to Fly and shoot lasers from your eyes

- Armour got buffed - so did damage application... especially against a heavies larger hit box
- Strafe speed Decreased - enemies find it easier hitting you whilst running/jumping around
- HMG recoil hasnt really changed (especially when skilled up), hit ditection has, but more for other weapons due to the HMG's spread

Either way you look at it the heavy suit received a solid buff, yet it is still not enough. You heavey players assume you can just run and gun, all day everyday.

Not because anything got buffed or nerfed. Simply because now people can aim better, and hit detection is allot better especially for AR's.

Heavy HMG was fine before 1.4, and in pubs it will still be fine...hell, even in PC a good heavy can still be decent....but an AR player will do better with less effort. Because of how the AA works now, ARs can out DPS HMGs in a CQC fight when the AR players strafe. The DPS of HMG is calculated with the thought of every bullet hitting the target. Bullet spread decreases the DPS drastically, and also when a heavy tries to strafe, the accuracy penalty increases. So in order for a heavy to try and land shots,to increase his potential DPS, he needs to be a sitting duck.

ARs on the other hand, from what I've seen while playing with them, I can dance around, jump, strafe and I'm still hitting my target with dead on accuracy, making the AR's DPS insane.

The HMG aim assist doesn't work as good as it does on ARs...and tbh, I don't know if there's any because I don't feel a difference.

I'm finished with being a heavy HMG player. All I have is a basic Proto Gallente and I've been doing pretty good with it. When heavy players realize they're getting outgunned by ARs more often, and they realize ARs > HMGs you'll start to see less, and less heavies, while the number of AR users go up.

Already I'm seeing less MDs. And tbh, as a heavy they would kill me no problem. As a Gallente AR user I eat them up.

At this point, I don't have the heart to be making thread after thread on the matter. I'm having fun with the AR. But I know this unbalance is bad for the game. I hope CCP reads this, and take a look at heavies and scouts again. ARs are eating everything up on the battlefield with little effort. Is it fun? Hell yes! It's not fun for the people that are using something else though.

Note: I'm not calling for a buff / nerf for anything. I'm not asking that AA be removed. I'm asking that CCP take a look at heavies and scouts. The introduction to AA and improved hit detection really shows how weak these classes are against ARs.

FoTM is finally going back to the Assault Rifle, with Laser Rifles following in 2nd position (haven't seen allot yet, but the number of users are increasing.

Not because anything got buffed or nerfed. Simply because now people can aim better, and hit detection is allot better especially for AR's.

Heavy HMG was fine before 1.4, and in pubs it will still be fine...hell, even in PC a good heavy can still be decent....but an AR player will do better with less effort. Because of how the AA works now, ARs can out DPS HMGs in a CQC fight when the AR players strafe. The DPS of HMG is calculated with the thought of every bullet hitting the target. Bullet spread decreases the DPS drastically, and also when a heavy tries to strafe, the accuracy penalty increases. So in order for a heavy to try and land shots,to increase his potential DPS, he needs to be a sitting duck.

ARs on the other hand, from what I've seen while playing with them, I can dance around, jump, strafe and I'm still hitting my target with dead on accuracy, making the AR's DPS insane.

The HMG aim assist doesn't work as good as it does on ARs...and tbh, I don't know if there's any because I don't feel a difference.

I'm finished with being a heavy HMG player. All I have is a basic Proto Gallente and I've been doing pretty good with it. When heavy players realize they're getting outgunned by ARs more often, and they realize ARs > HMGs you'll start to see less, and less heavies, while the number of AR users go up.

Already I'm seeing less MDs. And tbh, as a heavy they would kill me no problem. As a Gallente AR user I eat them up.

At this point, I don't have the heart to be making thread after thread on the matter. I'm having fun with the AR. But I know this unbalance is bad for the game. I hope CCP reads this, and take a look at heavies and scouts again. ARs are eating everything up on the battlefield with little effort. Is it fun? Hell yes! It's not fun for the people that are using something else though.

Note: I'm not calling for a buff / nerf for anything. I'm not asking that AA be removed. I'm asking that CCP take a look at heavies and scouts. The introduction to AA and improved hit detection really shows how weak these classes are against ARs.

FoTM is finally going back to the Assault Rifle, with Laser Rifles following in 2nd position (haven't seen allot yet, but the number of users are increasing.