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Chances Ghost Inf4m0us 664	Posted - 2013.09.05 06:17:00 - [1] - Quote let me explain what aim assist is when hover over an enemy target it will slow down the curser speed relative to your joystick position. it NEVER moves your curser, it never tugs it, it doesnt aim for you in the slightest. it slows down the speed your joystick tuned for thats it, thats all it does. its not going to drag your curser to someones head, its not a friggen magnet that once you point it at someone you can forget to aim and just lol head shot. it is none of those things. so let me explain here whats going on. aim assist isn't some aimbot, but hit detection is well known to be trouble on all fronts, traditionally high rate of fire weapons haven't noticed it as much because a lot of their shots were landing. now that most, if not all of their shots are landing people are dieing a lot quicker, people are putting out a lot more dps and aiming is SLIGHTLY easier but nowhere near as easy as "aim in this general direction and auto head shot" nonsense that's going around. all aim assist does is modify the speed at which you scroll, it doesn't actually move your cross hairs. if you take a look at it from a neutral perspective and actually use some common sense then its obvious. if you remember from the old super speed scout nonsence, the more you moved about the worse hit detection got for those who were shooting at you, that effected dancing assaults/logis as well just nowhere near as noticably. now all those people who danced when they fought are frustrated because they are actually taking damage. from their perspective they feel like people shooting at them should be missing more oftin, when really thats how much they should of been getting hit all along when hit detection was crap. so i understand exactly why if feels like its an aimbot, it just wasnt really apparent to them before how much of the dodging they were doing before 1.4 was due to hit detection rather then their fancy footwork. now aim assist is helping DS3 users, but KB/M users have had this kind of fire tuned aiming controls forever and are STILL MORE PRECISE then the aim assist.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 8035	Posted - 2013.09.05 06:18:00 - [2] - Quote In context this is how most aimbots work http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYGlWjIKoY4
Flint Beastgood III GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 94	Posted - 2013.09.05 06:22:00 - [3] - Quote Hmmm. Never thought of it like that. LOL. It was just shocking to find my survivability halved overnight. Good post.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS. 566	Posted - 2013.09.05 06:22:00 - [4] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: now aim assist is helping DS3 users, but KB/M users have had this kind of fire tuned aiming controls forever and are STILL MORE PRECISE then the aim assist. And you forget that kb/m support shouldn't even be here on ps3...... I remember on MGO it was considered "cheating" if you used a fragfx.
R'adeh Hunt The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 396	Posted - 2013.09.05 06:24:00 - [5] - Quote It's still a crutch and turning Dust into a shooter for people who like to ride bikes with training wheels...skill is suddenly pretty irrelevant.
Chances Ghost Inf4m0us 668	Posted - 2013.09.05 06:26:00 - [6] - Quote to expand if your right joystick is 100% scrolling to the right then aim assist will kick in when your hovering over a target and lower the speed of your scolling to lets say 80% speed, you will still scroll right past your target. if your scrolling at say 25% of your maximum speed then when hovering over a target it will lower it to say 10% of yoru speed and your cross hairs will linger on the target for much longer, but if you hold that position it will still pass over your target, it will not adjust your crosshairs in revers to stick to your target. so whats happening is that as you aim at your target your slowing down your scroll speed to prepaire to fire, when your curser is over the target, aim assist is kicking in slowing down your total potential scroll speed across the specrum effectivly giving you 2 sets of scroll speed. 1 speed for when your not aiming at anything, and another for when your aiming at something and need more fine tuned aiming controls. those who use KB/M have had this type of control the entire time, and not once single person has screamed aimbot before today.
Chances Ghost Inf4m0us 668	Posted - 2013.09.05 06:28:00 - [7] - Quote R'adeh Hunt wrote: It's still a crutch and turning Dust into a shooter for people who like to ride bikes with training wheels...skill is suddenly pretty irrelevant. sooo KB/M wich still has more fine tuned aiming controls is a crutch? and aim assist to compete with KB/B (a war wich KB/M is still winning) is a bigger crutch? wich control scheme do you use may i ask?
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles 1048	Posted - 2013.09.05 06:37:00 - [8] - Quote Xyl5 wrote: I am purely disgusted and I don't have enough pity to go around for all the people who think that aim assist is godsend. "DS3 users now have a chance against KB/M!! lelelel" Sounds like, "I sucked really hard at this game but now with aim assist, I'm amazing" I pity everyone who said that because you are admitting that you suck at aiming without aim assist. Especially since there are players out there who uses gamepads and still own without aim assist. You couldn't kill a player before because you have no skill. So you pride yourself now that you can kill with the help of aim assist. That is utterly pathetic. Praising your aim assist equates to nothing but a cry for help because you lack the skill you degenerate uneducated plebeian. And for those who claim aim assist should be in Dust 514 because it's a console game like other FPS games should just play those other plebeian games like those other useless sacks of skin they call players. Because Dust 514 is pronounced as Dust 514, not Call of Duty, Which means, if you haven't guessed, it's a different game. I played Dust 514 for its promise of becoming a better FPS game than the other FPS casual games. I stayed for the in-depth character customization that gives players the chance to be better than others. And I continued playing for the challenge of playing with no aim assist. But obviously, they were all shattered in just one day. This is my response
Chances Ghost Inf4m0us 668	Posted - 2013.09.05 06:39:00 - [9] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: This is my response so what your saying is you want KB/M support removed fromt eh game? or are you saying you have no idea what your talking about so your going to quote someone who sounds like they do? also that post doesnt actually relate to this thread, as nobody praised aim assist. praise and explaination are two sperate things
Malcom Xo Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 19	Posted - 2013.09.05 06:41:00 - [10] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: Xyl5 wrote: I am purely disgusted and I don't have enough pity to go around for all the people who think that aim assist is godsend. "DS3 users now have a chance against KB/M!! lelelel" Sounds like, "I sucked really hard at this game but now with aim assist, I'm amazing" I pity everyone who said that because you are admitting that you suck at aiming without aim assist. Especially since there are players out there who uses gamepads and still own without aim assist. You couldn't kill a player before because you have no skill. So you pride yourself now that you can kill with the help of aim assist. That is utterly pathetic. Praising your aim assist equates to nothing but a cry for help because you lack the skill you degenerate uneducated plebeian. And for those who claim aim assist should be in Dust 514 because it's a console game like other FPS games should just play those other plebeian games like those other useless sacks of skin they call players. Because Dust 514 is pronounced as Dust 514, not Call of Duty, Which means, if you haven't guessed, it's a different game. I played Dust 514 for its promise of becoming a better FPS game than the other FPS casual games. I stayed for the in-depth character customization that gives players the chance to be better than others. And I continued playing for the challenge of playing with no aim assist. But obviously, they were all shattered in just one day. This is my response Let's pretend what you say matters. IF DS3 is sooooo godsend, it's soooooooooo GDLK Use it than..... #2WayStreet

Deranged Disaster Seraphim Initiative.. 478	Posted - 2013.09.05 06:42:00 - [11] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: This is my response so what your saying is you want KB/M support removed fromt eh game? or are you saying you have no idea what your talking about so your going to quote someone who sounds like they do? also that post doesnt actually relate to this thread, as nobody praised aim assist. praise and explaination are two sperate things He's saying you are **** and can't aim, that's why you are defending the aim assist that much.
Chances Ghost Inf4m0us 668	Posted - 2013.09.05 06:44:00 - [12] - Quote Deranged Disaster wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: This is my response so what your saying is you want KB/M support removed fromt eh game? or are you saying you have no idea what your talking about so your going to quote someone who sounds like they do? also that post doesnt actually relate to this thread, as nobody praised aim assist. praise and explaination are two sperate things He's saying you are **** and can't aim, that's why you are defending the aim assist that much. again, defending and explaining are two seperate things my performance since the changes has been unchanged. i was simply trying to enlighten people as to what exactly an aim assist does and what its limitations are, since they all seem to think it turns your crosshairs into a giant magnet of death
Deranged Disaster Seraphim Initiative.. 478	Posted - 2013.09.05 06:48:00 - [13] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: again, defending and explaining are two seperate things my performance since the changes has been unchanged. i was simply trying to enlighten people as to what exactly an aim assist does and what its limitations are, since they all seem to think it turns your crosshairs into a giant magnet of death I understand your point of view, it's not a giant magnet of death but it is pretty bad. It does lock on and stays on, it is noticable but the thing is it took me a while to see it clearly. I suggest you play a couple more games and see how it goes, maybe you'll notice it yourself.
Chances Ghost Inf4m0us 669	Posted - 2013.09.05 06:53:00 - [14] - Quote Deranged Disaster wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: again, defending and explaining are two seperate things my performance since the changes has been unchanged. i was simply trying to enlighten people as to what exactly an aim assist does and what its limitations are, since they all seem to think it turns your crosshairs into a giant magnet of death I understand your point of view, it's not a giant magnet of death but it is pretty bad. It does lock on and stays on, it is noticable but the thing is it took me a while to see it clearly. I suggest you play a couple more games and see how it goes, maybe you'll notice it yourself. if by a couple more games you mean more games then it takes to cap out...... ive tested it quite a bit, if anything i think it helps snipers more then everyone else, IF they get lucky with rendering. quit it with the condesention, this isnt a **** waving party, this is a simple discussion of mechanics, and its limitations. you have yet to provide anything constructive to the discussion and have instead opted for personal attacks as some sort of way to ease your need to feel supirior in some way.
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles 1048	Posted - 2013.09.05 06:53:00 - [15] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: now aim assist is helping DS3 users, but KB/M users have had this kind of fire tuned aiming controls forever and are STILL MORE PRECISE then the aim assist. This is more along the lines of what I was responding to. You're clearly in favor of aim assist. As well as stating you believe kbm have had easy aiming forever and is still better than the aim assist crutch. Lol you can't be more precise than the new aim assist dude.
Eno Raef KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 74	Posted - 2013.09.05 06:55:00 - [16] - Quote People complaining about aim assist are just spoiled brats. They spent so long being able to pubstomp, when other players can actually kill them, they QQ. They weren't QQn when they weren't dying. Really, if aim assist is causing so called good players to die more, they must not have been as good as they thought. Me, I die less now. Now that hit detection is fixed and aim assist is working, they'll have to actually try to not die instead of jumping around, miraculously dodging bullets. They just wanted a no competition easy mode.
Chances Ghost Inf4m0us 669	Posted - 2013.09.05 06:56:00 - [17] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: now aim assist is helping DS3 users, but KB/M users have had this kind of fire tuned aiming controls forever and are STILL MORE PRECISE then the aim assist. This is more along the lines of what I was responding to. You're clearly in favor of aim assist. As well as stating you believe kbm have had easy aiming forever and is still better than the aim assist crutch. Lol you can't be more precise than the new aim assist dude. im not sure you understand how a mouse works you cant get any more precise than a mouse without automation. whats more precise, something that can vary its scroll speed across any spectrum? or something that has a limited number of speed settings. those are simple facts i stated, ones that are just true. one does not have to be for or against a particular subject to acknowledge facts.
Gigatron Prime The.Primes 324	Posted - 2013.09.05 07:00:00 - [18] - Quote You know what, it's not aim assist at all. I turned it off and still didn't feel much of a difference with it on. I think CCP is just finally getting the hang of tuning their FPS systems.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 8064	Posted - 2013.09.05 18:05:00 - [19] - Quote Gigatron Prime wrote: You know what, it's not aim assist at all. I turned it off and still didn't feel much of a difference with it on. I think CCP is just finally getting the hang of tuning their FPS systems. Which furthers my belief its not Aim Assist but overly helpful hit detection.
R'adeh Hunt The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 400	Posted - 2013.09.05 19:19:00 - [20] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: R'adeh Hunt wrote: It's still a crutch and turning Dust into a shooter for people who like to ride bikes with training wheels...skill is suddenly pretty irrelevant. sooo KB/M wich still has more fine tuned aiming controls is a crutch? and aim assist to compete with KB/B (a war wich KB/M is still winning) is a bigger crutch? wich control scheme do you use may i ask? KB/M still requires skill....aim assist doesn't. By using aim assist you're essentially admitting that you suck at the the game...

pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES 784	Posted - 2013.09.05 19:30:00 - [21] - Quote R'adeh Hunt wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: R'adeh Hunt wrote: It's still a crutch and turning Dust into a shooter for people who like to ride bikes with training wheels...skill is suddenly pretty irrelevant. sooo KB/M wich still has more fine tuned aiming controls is a crutch? and aim assist to compete with KB/B (a war wich KB/M is still winning) is a bigger crutch? wich control scheme do you use may i ask? KB/M still requires skill....aim assist doesn't. By using aim assist you're essentially admitting that you suck at the the game... Kbm has a major advantage over ds3 and admiting you use it on a consol game means you are admitting that you indeed do suck ass.
Beren Hurin The Vanguardians 1423	Posted - 2013.09.05 19:35:00 - [22] - Quote R'adeh Hunt wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: R'adeh Hunt wrote: It's still a crutch and turning Dust into a shooter for people who like to ride bikes with training wheels...skill is suddenly pretty irrelevant. sooo KB/M wich still has more fine tuned aiming controls is a crutch? and aim assist to compete with KB/B (a war wich KB/M is still winning) is a bigger crutch? wich control scheme do you use may i ask? KB/M still requires skill....aim assist doesn't. By using aim assist you're essentially admitting that you suck at the the game... Terrible argument. Another difference between KBM and mouse is that when you stop moving the mouse your client input stops. When you let up on your joystick with DS3 there is still input delay, not to mention how fluid the dead zones seem when network latency is poor. But that residual input from the DS3 sticks is HUGELY responsible for tracking precision issues because it COMPOUNDS tracking problems for DS3s compared to KBM. Especially when tracking an ADADAD KBM crutch user compensating for this residual imprecision becomes MUCH more difficult. If DS3 users feel like they have mastered this issue without aim assist they are likely one of the very few with little issue with battle server latency.
Boot Booter Omega Elite Mercs INC. 72	Posted - 2013.09.05 19:48:00 - [23] - Quote OK so I haven't played the update yet.. But I'm going to throw out my opinion because I'm sick of reading all this **** in every other thread. A truly good DS3 user will quickly turn off aim assist and perform better than with it on. Why? Because as the OP said it slows and alters your aiming when it detects an opponent. This is what I have always done with FPS games because the mechanics of the aim assists are always slightly different and end up annoying me. Anyone who uses KB/M and is complaining about it... Why? How does it affect anything you do, you can't just assume that because hit detection got better every "DS3 noob using aimbot easy mode QQ". AND for those DS3 users who use aim assist... GO FOR IT. It really makes no difference to me, it'll just end up f ING you up in the future. Point of all this is.. Stop crying about everything. The OP was just describing how it works. Adapt bros!
Tek Hound Death In Xcess Corporation 52	Posted - 2013.09.05 21:36:00 - [24] - Quote A crutch is still a crutch
Poonmunch Sanguis Defense Syndicate 326	Posted - 2013.09.05 21:38:00 - [25] - Quote Rational and balanced. Good post. Munch
DootDoot Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2013.09.05 21:42:00 - [26] - Quote I'm a noob in this game been playing for a short time and its silly the registry i get with it and it does pull my aim im currently making a montage of 15 minutes of gameplay highlights and the footage is shocking... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEIB2lV7TE8<--- video i made about aim assist last night that brought me here.
Chances Ghost Inf4m0us 698	Posted - 2013.09.05 21:45:00 - [27] - Quote DootDoot wrote: I'm a noob in this game been playing for a short time and its silly the registry i get with it and it does pull my aim im currently making a montage of 15 minutes of gameplay highlights and the footage is shocking... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEIB2lV7TE8<--- video i made about aim assist last night that brought me here. post the vid here when your done FOR SCIENCE!!!!!!
Poonmunch Sanguis Defense Syndicate 326	Posted - 2013.09.05 21:47:00 - [28] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: ive tested it quite a bit, if anything i think it helps snipers more then everyone else, IF they get lucky with rendering. Woa big guy. Snipers don't have this feature according to Dev posts. I haven't noticed it during sniping. Munch
Chances Ghost Inf4m0us 698	Posted - 2013.09.05 21:49:00 - [29] - Quote Poonmunch wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: ive tested it quite a bit, if anything i think it helps snipers more then everyone else, IF they get lucky with rendering. Woa big guy. Snipers don't have this feature according to Dev posts. I haven't noticed it during sniping. Munch havnt actualy used a sniper with it, that was purly assumption on my part. my bad. also havnt tested with SR and ASR becuase im not spending SP on it just to test and i cant be bothered with alts. theoretically it would help with snipers fine tuned aiming and would make it quicker to head shot on stationary targets. but perhaps in their hands it would be a bit too powerful
Nemo Bluntz TeamPlayers EoN. 514	Posted - 2013.09.05 21:49:00 - [30] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: R'adeh Hunt wrote: It's still a crutch and turning Dust into a shooter for people who like to ride bikes with training wheels...skill is suddenly pretty irrelevant. sooo KB/M wich still has more fine tuned aiming controls is a crutch? and aim assist to compete with KB/B (a war wich KB/M is still winning) is a bigger crutch? wich control scheme do you use may i ask? Haha. Dude, have you seriously even attempted using the M/KB since Uprising dropped? Its totally trash. The one slight fix (which didn't help all too much), which was to turned the screen resolution to 480, no longer works in 1.4.

STEALTH HUNTER ZERO D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 26	Posted - 2013.09.05 21:52:00 - [31] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: Deranged Disaster wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: again, defending and explaining are two seperate things my performance since the changes has been unchanged. i was simply trying to enlighten people as to what exactly an aim assist does and what its limitations are, since they all seem to think it turns your crosshairs into a giant magnet of death I understand your point of view, it's not a giant magnet of death but it is pretty bad. It does lock on and stays on, it is noticable but the thing is it took me a while to see it clearly. I suggest you play a couple more games and see how it goes, maybe you'll notice it yourself. if by a couple more games you mean more games then it takes to cap out...... ive tested it quite a bit, if anything i think it helps snipers more then everyone else, IF they get lucky with rendering. quit it with the condesention, this isnt a **** waving party, this is a simple discussion of mechanics, and its limitations. you have yet to provide anything constructive to the discussion and have instead opted for personal attacks as some sort of way to ease your need to feel supirior in some way. That part about Snipers made me burst out in uncontrollable laughter... seriously man, is snipping what your basing your findings on??? If it is then all your testing is invalid. Sniper rifles don't get aim assist, nor does the forge gun, mass driver, or plasma cannon.
Chances Ghost Inf4m0us 700	Posted - 2013.09.05 21:53:00 - [32] - Quote STEALTH HUNTER ZERO wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: Deranged Disaster wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: again, defending and explaining are two seperate things my performance since the changes has been unchanged. i was simply trying to enlighten people as to what exactly an aim assist does and what its limitations are, since they all seem to think it turns your crosshairs into a giant magnet of death I understand your point of view, it's not a giant magnet of death but it is pretty bad. It does lock on and stays on, it is noticable but the thing is it took me a while to see it clearly. I suggest you play a couple more games and see how it goes, maybe you'll notice it yourself. if by a couple more games you mean more games then it takes to cap out...... ive tested it quite a bit, if anything i think it helps snipers more then everyone else, IF they get lucky with rendering. quit it with the condesention, this isnt a **** waving party, this is a simple discussion of mechanics, and its limitations. you have yet to provide anything constructive to the discussion and have instead opted for personal attacks as some sort of way to ease your need to feel supirior in some way. That part about Snipers made me burst out in uncontrollable laughter... seriously man, is snipping what your basing your findings on??? If it is then all your testing is invalid. Sniper rifles don't get aim assist, nor does the forge gun, mass driver, or plasma cannon. as stated above, i dont use snipers, and diddnt test sniper rifles. all testing was done with the 3 AR varients and submachine guns
KalOfTheRathi Black Phoenix Mercenaries 644	Posted - 2013.09.05 22:26:00 - [33] - Quote Let me explain why you are wrong, Chance. It is an aim bot when you can shoot to the side of a Red and gets hits and kills. At the very least it is an auto hit bot. Is that a better description for you? Their solution is wrong but it does show that they are consistent! The previous solution would physically move your cursor Away From The Target as well as force you to miss more often than not. Mostly an anti aim assistant. This one will get the hit even if it is Actually Aimed At The Red. You are describing aiming assistance in game that is not written by CCP/Shanghai. Let us know what game that is so we can try it for real. Aim Assist, if I was coding for it or writing the requirements, should entail the following: As mentioned, slow the cursor so it lingers over the target, unless ADS is active. Have a set of heuristics that establish the average hits/shots of all weapons, possibly offset with SP level or equipment level. Then limit the hits to a percentage of the above values. Occasionally allowing 100% of the average, not 100% of the rounds to hit. Never allow the aim assistant to get Head Shots. ADS would completely deactivate Aim Assistance. Now, let them write that one. And most of the complaints will fade. Not all, this is DUST and an internet Forum. I believe that the aim assistance was designed based on the older DUST. With the incremental changes the aim assistance is unbalanced as implemented. My design would adjust automatically to changes in the game with nothing more than a script to reset the heuristics during server shut down.
Chances Ghost Inf4m0us 703	Posted - 2013.09.05 22:32:00 - [34] - Quote KalOfTheRathi wrote: Let me explain why you are wrong, Chance. It is an aim bot when you can shoot to the side of a Red and gets hits and kills. At the very least it is an auto hit bot. Is that a better description for you? Their solution is wrong but it does show that they are consistent! The previous solution would physically move your cursor Away From The Target as well as force you to miss more often than not. Mostly an anti aim assistant. This one will get the hit even if it is Actually Aimed At The Red. You are describing aiming assistance in game that is not written by CCP/Shanghai. Let us know what game that is so we can try it for real. Aim Assist, if I was coding for it or writing the requirements, should entail the following: As mentioned, slow the cursor so it lingers over the target, unless ADS is active. Have a set of heuristics that establish the average hits/shots of all weapons, possibly offset with SP level or equipment level. Then limit the hits to a percentage of the above values. Occasionally allowing 100% of the average, not 100% of the rounds to hit. Never allow the aim assistant to get Head Shots. ADS would completely deactivate Aim Assistance. Now, let them write that one. And most of the complaints will fade. Not all, this is DUST and an internet Forum. I believe that the aim assistance was designed based on the older DUST. With the incremental changes the aim assistance is unbalanced as implemented. My design would adjust automatically to changes in the game with nothing more than a script to reset the heuristics during server shut down. you have a good point, i was mostly testing its effects on curser movement, i will test some more to see just how oftin i can aim just to the side but not at my target and still hit them. further testing nessesary thank you (ill also test to see wearther it changes based off the targets movement.)
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 8078	Posted - 2013.09.05 23:03:00 - [35] - Quote DootDoot wrote: I'm a noob in this game been playing for a short time and its silly the registry i get with it and it does pull my aim im currently making a montage of 15 minutes of gameplay highlights and the footage is shocking... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEIB2lV7TE8<--- video i made about aim assist last night that brought me here. Looks like hit detection.
Flint Beastgood III GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 99	Posted - 2013.09.07 01:10:00 - [36] - Quote OK. Extensive testing revealed to me that the aim assist IS magnetized. I stood completely still for minutes on end while ADS and every time an enemy went past my crosshair it moved. When someone inside the crosshair jumped, my sights moved up to follow them. Anyone refuting the aimbot/magnet claims needs to do further testing! EDIT: hit detection has definitely improved vastly too. The combined effects of these 2 changes were what caught me off guard. I have now adapted and all is well for the time being. Still, they could do with toning down the aim assist.
DootDoot Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 12	Posted - 2013.09.07 01:23:00 - [37] - Quote pegasis prime wrote: R'adeh Hunt wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: R'adeh Hunt wrote: It's still a crutch and turning Dust into a shooter for people who like to ride bikes with training wheels...skill is suddenly pretty irrelevant. sooo KB/M wich still has more fine tuned aiming controls is a crutch? and aim assist to compete with KB/B (a war wich KB/M is still winning) is a bigger crutch? wich control scheme do you use may i ask? KB/M still requires skill....aim assist doesn't. By using aim assist you're essentially admitting that you suck at the the game... Kbm has a major advantage over ds3 and admiting you use it on a consol game means you are admitting that you indeed do suck ass. If you know any player high up on the leaderboards that uses a DS3 ask him that question see if it even mirror's closely your natural response. There are way more ds3 users ranked high on leaderboards then kb/m. And if you are blaming kb/m for your ds3 inadequacy and are making it public your just calling yourself out to the people who know better. PS4 is fully KB/M supported... CoD, battlefield, Planetside... all the big titles everyone talks about or uses in arguments will be the same... welcome to the new generation of gaming boy's the one where its everyone's flat screen. adapt or die i think is the saying?
Lightning Bolt2 Binary Mercs Abandon PlayGrounds 166	Posted - 2013.09.07 02:11:00 - [38] - Quote Haven't read past the OP, but you're description IS what an Aim Assist is, but in DUST the aimbot also sticks to the target and tracks it for you! thats why it is an aimbot, I have nothing more to say to newbs like you who can't aim.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 697	Posted - 2013.09.07 02:34:00 - [39] - Quote I suck at aiming without aim assist, but I'm good at a lot of other things like life.
Flint Beastgood III GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 101	Posted - 2013.09.07 11:03:00 - [40] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: I suck at aiming without aim assist, but I'm good at a lot of other things like life. Haha, you can be good at both though. And as they say... practice makes perfect.

Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. 116	Posted - 2013.09.07 11:24:00 - [41] - Quote R'adeh Hunt wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: R'adeh Hunt wrote: It's still a crutch and turning Dust into a shooter for people who like to ride bikes with training wheels...skill is suddenly pretty irrelevant. sooo KB/M wich still has more fine tuned aiming controls is a crutch? and aim assist to compete with KB/B (a war wich KB/M is still winning) is a bigger crutch? wich control scheme do you use may i ask? KB/M still requires skill....aim assist doesn't. By using aim assist you're essentially admitting that you suck at the the game... And by using KBM you are admitting you suck at console games, which this game is. As long as KBM is supported, aim assist should be.
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1774	Posted - 2013.09.07 11:26:00 - [42] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: R'adeh Hunt wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: R'adeh Hunt wrote: It's still a crutch and turning Dust into a shooter for people who like to ride bikes with training wheels...skill is suddenly pretty irrelevant. sooo KB/M wich still has more fine tuned aiming controls is a crutch? and aim assist to compete with KB/B (a war wich KB/M is still winning) is a bigger crutch? wich control scheme do you use may i ask? KB/M still requires skill....aim assist doesn't. By using aim assist you're essentially admitting that you suck at the the game... And by using KBM you are admitting you suck at console games, which this game is. As long as KBM is supported, aim assist should be. aim assist in other shooters only works on user input, it never moves the reticule without any kind of input from the user. Dust auto tracks, and quite a bit. Aim assist is broken. There is a video now. Stop trying so hard to defend something that is clearly broken. Its worse than people defending the TAC ARs.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. 116	Posted - 2013.09.07 11:31:00 - [43] - Quote STEALTH HUNTER ZERO wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: Deranged Disaster wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: again, defending and explaining are two seperate things my performance since the changes has been unchanged. i was simply trying to enlighten people as to what exactly an aim assist does and what its limitations are, since they all seem to think it turns your crosshairs into a giant magnet of death I understand your point of view, it's not a giant magnet of death but it is pretty bad. It does lock on and stays on, it is noticable but the thing is it took me a while to see it clearly. I suggest you play a couple more games and see how it goes, maybe you'll notice it yourself. if by a couple more games you mean more games then it takes to cap out...... ive tested it quite a bit, if anything i think it helps snipers more then everyone else, IF they get lucky with rendering. quit it with the condesention, this isnt a **** waving party, this is a simple discussion of mechanics, and its limitations. you have yet to provide anything constructive to the discussion and have instead opted for personal attacks as some sort of way to ease your need to feel supirior in some way. That part about Snipers made me burst out in uncontrollable laughter... seriously man, is snipping what your basing your findings on??? If it is then all your testing is invalid. Sniper rifles don't get aim assist, nor does the forge gun, mass driver, or plasma cannon. The sniper rifle should get it, but in a weakened form as sniping could become stupidly easy if it is as strong as it is on weapons like the AR. And forge guns should get it, but it should only help with vehicles. I don't think the mechanic would even work for the PC and MD, as they have an arc.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. 116	Posted - 2013.09.07 11:33:00 - [44] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: R'adeh Hunt wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: R'adeh Hunt wrote: It's still a crutch and turning Dust into a shooter for people who like to ride bikes with training wheels...skill is suddenly pretty irrelevant. sooo KB/M wich still has more fine tuned aiming controls is a crutch? and aim assist to compete with KB/B (a war wich KB/M is still winning) is a bigger crutch? wich control scheme do you use may i ask? KB/M still requires skill....aim assist doesn't. By using aim assist you're essentially admitting that you suck at the the game... And by using KBM you are admitting you suck at console games, which this game is. As long as KBM is supported, aim assist should be. aim assist in other shooters only works on user input, it never moves the reticule without any kind of input from the user. Dust auto tracks, and quite a bit. Aim assist is broken. There is a video now. Stop trying so hard to defend something that is clearly broken. Its worse than people defending the TAC ARs. I know it tracks, and that aspect of it needs to go, it should slow down your aiming to allow for more preside shots when your reticle is near an enemy, but it shouldn't move your reticle by itself. I think the game needs AA, but not as strong as it is.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. 116	Posted - 2013.09.07 11:45:00 - [45] - Quote KalOfTheRathi wrote: Let me explain why you are wrong, Chance. It is an aim bot when you can shoot to the side of a Red and gets hits and kills. At the very least it is an auto hit bot. Is that a better description for you? That is your game client telling the server that you shot a round there, the server confirming the information and checking whether or not an enemy was there when you shot, and then sending information to both you, the shooter, and your target. Then you get hit markers in a place the enemy no longer is, because information travel is fast but not instantaneous. This happens in pretty much every multiplayer FPS. It isn't because of the aim assist. This happens because hit detection was fixed.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. 116	Posted - 2013.09.07 11:52:00 - [46] - Quote DootDoot wrote: pegasis prime wrote: R'adeh Hunt wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: R'adeh Hunt wrote: It's still a crutch and turning Dust into a shooter for people who like to ride bikes with training wheels...skill is suddenly pretty irrelevant. sooo KB/M wich still has more fine tuned aiming controls is a crutch? and aim assist to compete with KB/B (a war wich KB/M is still winning) is a bigger crutch? wich control scheme do you use may i ask? KB/M still requires skill....aim assist doesn't. By using aim assist you're essentially admitting that you suck at the the game... Kbm has a major advantage over ds3 and admiting you use it on a consol game means you are admitting that you indeed do suck ass. If you know any player high up on the leaderboards that uses a DS3 ask him that question see if it even mirror's closely your natural response. There are way more ds3 users ranked high on leaderboards then kb/m. And if you are blaming kb/m for your ds3 inadequacy and are making it public your just calling yourself out to the people who know better. PS4 is fully KB/M supported... CoD, battlefield, Planetside... all the big titles everyone talks about or uses in arguments will be the same... welcome to the new generation of gaming boy's the one where its everyone's flat screen. adapt or die i think is the saying? Either that, or all of those games will get AA. Which seems likely for games like COD and Battlefield. Planetside will have it too I'm sure, maybe not immediately, but eventually.
Nemo Bluntz TeamPlayers EoN. 558	Posted - 2013.09.07 15:52:00 - [47] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: R'adeh Hunt wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: R'adeh Hunt wrote: It's still a crutch and turning Dust into a shooter for people who like to ride bikes with training wheels...skill is suddenly pretty irrelevant. sooo KB/M wich still has more fine tuned aiming controls is a crutch? and aim assist to compete with KB/B (a war wich KB/M is still winning) is a bigger crutch? wich control scheme do you use may i ask? KB/M still requires skill....aim assist doesn't. By using aim assist you're essentially admitting that you suck at the the game... And by using KBM you are admitting you suck at console games, which this game is. As long as KBM is supported, aim assist should be. If kb/m is supported it should at least actually work before gimping it down even further to the controller by giving a huge advantage to the one scheme and not the other. The mouse controls right now are awful. Despite you reading that "CCP said they fixed it", its definitely not 'fixed.' I don't mind aim assist on a console shooter, but good God the game is just handing kills to people at this point. Try using a mouse, see how comparatively difficult it is to track anybody, then maybe you'll have a little perspective on why the mouse players aren't happy right now. CCP wants there to be kb/m support, just as there is Move support. If you look in the options you'll see that each has their own whole tab for control settings. The guy saying "so you use the controls that the game offers? then you suck at console shooters, and you just admitted it!" Get the ** out with that. Dust is a shooter on a console, but its not a console shooter that demands you use only one control style (well, at the moment it kind of does, but its definitely not the intention of the developer). If you want a console shooter that's pad only, go play a console shooter that's pad only. In the meantime, the people who want to use their preferred control style have a right to complain about it being so **-poorly implemented.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. 128	Posted - 2013.09.07 18:48:00 - [48] - Quote Nemo Bluntz wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: R'adeh Hunt wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: R'adeh Hunt wrote: It's still a crutch and turning Dust into a shooter for people who like to ride bikes with training wheels...skill is suddenly pretty irrelevant. sooo KB/M wich still has more fine tuned aiming controls is a crutch? and aim assist to compete with KB/B (a war wich KB/M is still winning) is a bigger crutch? wich control scheme do you use may i ask? KB/M still requires skill....aim assist doesn't. By using aim assist you're essentially admitting that you suck at the the game... And by using KBM you are admitting you suck at console games, which this game is. As long as KBM is supported, aim assist should be. If kb/m is supported it should at least actually work before gimping it down even further to the controller by giving a huge advantage to the one scheme and not the other. The mouse controls right now are awful. Despite you reading that "CCP said they fixed it", its definitely not 'fixed.' I don't mind aim assist on a console shooter, but good God the game is just handing kills to people at this point. Try using a mouse, see how comparatively difficult it is to track anybody, then maybe you'll have a little perspective on why the mouse players aren't happy right now. CCP wants there to be kb/m support, just as there is Move support. If you look in the options you'll see that each has their own whole tab for control settings. The guy saying "so you use the controls that the game offers? then you suck at console shooters, and you just admitted it!" Get the ** out with that. Dust is a shooter on a console, but its not a console shooter that demands you use only one control style (well, at the moment it kind of does, but its definitely not the intention of the developer). If you want a console shooter that's pad only, go play a console shooter that's pad only. In the meantime, the people who want to use their preferred control style have a right to complain about it being so **-poorly implemented. I'm not sure about the controls for KBM on this game, but on other shooters it is vastly superior to any controller. I would like to use KBM, but my PS3 only has 2 USB ports and a mic isn't an option to me at this point. The only mouse I have is a cheap Logitech laptop mouse as well, I've tried it but that mouse is horrid.
Rogatien Merc Red Star. EoN. 1065	Posted - 2013.09.07 19:16:00 - [49] - Quote This should be required reading for the entire community. Please sticky this. And put the video IWS linked on the front page. Hiiiiiiiiiii-larious.
DootDoot Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 32	Posted - 2013.09.07 21:21:00 - [50] - Quote The mere assumption that everyone that wants to use their preferred peripheral on a gaming platform makes the pad useless is absurd... The hardware race on PC's is getting expensive and the world is getting harder... PC's with similar spec's to the PS4's aren't cheap compared to the supposed sticker on the PS4. Peripheral choice is purely the transition from low budget PC gaming boxes to the new generation console's. CCP is with the curve on this as they are very in-tune with the computer gaming world, hence the console based DUST and the support for KB/M. Most know this is coming and the pad users who is confident with their aim, welcome the new challenge of beating something hyped so much said to circumvent all their skill. Two peripheral's in two different players hands mimicking their direct input and one beating out the other is what FPS's are about. And the learning curve starts... People who log on and think because they have a pad they are at a disadvantage for playing games (even before KB/M) and there should be a computer helping you out. Are people that just got tired of going to the options menu and having to turn it to "easy" mode.

SgtDoughnut M.E.R.C. Elite D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 13	Posted - 2013.09.07 21:36:00 - [51] - Quote R'adeh Hunt wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: R'adeh Hunt wrote: It's still a crutch and turning Dust into a shooter for people who like to ride bikes with training wheels...skill is suddenly pretty irrelevant. sooo KB/M wich still has more fine tuned aiming controls is a crutch? and aim assist to compete with KB/B (a war wich KB/M is still winning) is a bigger crutch? wich control scheme do you use may i ask? KB/M still requires skill....aim assist doesn't. By using aim assist you're essentially admitting that you suck at the the game... Have to love people who backup their claims not with facts or statistics, but with the statement YOU SUCK or some variant of that. Seriously are you five years old or something?


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