DUST Search - WHY its not an aimbot

DJINN Marauder wrote:

Xyl5 wrote:

I am purely disgusted and I don't have enough pity to go around for all the people who think that aim assist is godsend.

"DS3 users now have a chance against KB/M!! lelelel"

Sounds like, "I sucked really hard at this game but now with aim assist, I'm amazing"

I pity everyone who said that because you are admitting that you suck at aiming without aim assist. Especially since there are players out there who uses gamepads and still own without aim assist.

You couldn't kill a player before because you have no skill. So you pride yourself now that you can kill with the help of aim assist.

That is utterly pathetic.

Praising your aim assist equates to nothing but a cry for help because you lack the skill you degenerate uneducated plebeian.

And for those who claim aim assist should be in Dust 514 because it's a console game like other FPS games should just play those other plebeian games like those other useless sacks of skin they call players.

Because Dust 514 is pronounced as Dust 514, not Call of Duty, Which means, if you haven't guessed, it's a different game.

I played Dust 514 for its promise of becoming a better FPS game than the other FPS casual games. I stayed for the in-depth character customization that gives players the chance to be better than others. And I continued playing for the challenge of playing with no aim assist.

But obviously, they were all shattered in just one day.

This is my response

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Chances Ghost Inf4m0us 664	Posted - 2013.09.05 06:17:00 - [1] - Quote let me explain what aim assist is when hover over an enemy target it will slow down the curser speed relative to your joystick position. it NEVER moves your curser, it never tugs it, it doesnt aim for you in the slightest. it slows down the speed your joystick tuned for thats it, thats all it does. its not going to drag your curser to someones head, its not a friggen magnet that once you point it at someone you can forget to aim and just lol head shot. it is none of those things. so let me explain here whats going on. aim assist isn't some aimbot, but hit detection is well known to be trouble on all fronts, traditionally high rate of fire weapons haven't noticed it as much because a lot of their shots were landing. now that most, if not all of their shots are landing people are dieing a lot quicker, people are putting out a lot more dps and aiming is SLIGHTLY easier but nowhere near as easy as "aim in this general direction and auto head shot" nonsense that's going around. all aim assist does is modify the speed at which you scroll, it doesn't actually move your cross hairs. if you take a look at it from a neutral perspective and actually use some common sense then its obvious. if you remember from the old super speed scout nonsence, the more you moved about the worse hit detection got for those who were shooting at you, that effected dancing assaults/logis as well just nowhere near as noticably. now all those people who danced when they fought are frustrated because they are actually taking damage. from their perspective they feel like people shooting at them should be missing more oftin, when really thats how much they should of been getting hit all along when hit detection was crap. so i understand exactly why if feels like its an aimbot, it just wasnt really apparent to them before how much of the dodging they were doing before 1.4 was due to hit detection rather then their fancy footwork. now aim assist is helping DS3 users, but KB/M users have had this kind of fire tuned aiming controls forever and are STILL MORE PRECISE then the aim assist.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 8035	Posted - 2013.09.05 06:18:00 - [2] - Quote In context this is how most aimbots work http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYGlWjIKoY4
Flint Beastgood III GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 94	Posted - 2013.09.05 06:22:00 - [3] - Quote Hmmm. Never thought of it like that. LOL. It was just shocking to find my survivability halved overnight. Good post.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS. 566	Posted - 2013.09.05 06:22:00 - [4] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: now aim assist is helping DS3 users, but KB/M users have had this kind of fire tuned aiming controls forever and are STILL MORE PRECISE then the aim assist. And you forget that kb/m support shouldn't even be here on ps3...... I remember on MGO it was considered "cheating" if you used a fragfx.
R'adeh Hunt The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 396	Posted - 2013.09.05 06:24:00 - [5] - Quote It's still a crutch and turning Dust into a shooter for people who like to ride bikes with training wheels...skill is suddenly pretty irrelevant.
Chances Ghost Inf4m0us 668	Posted - 2013.09.05 06:26:00 - [6] - Quote to expand if your right joystick is 100% scrolling to the right then aim assist will kick in when your hovering over a target and lower the speed of your scolling to lets say 80% speed, you will still scroll right past your target. if your scrolling at say 25% of your maximum speed then when hovering over a target it will lower it to say 10% of yoru speed and your cross hairs will linger on the target for much longer, but if you hold that position it will still pass over your target, it will not adjust your crosshairs in revers to stick to your target. so whats happening is that as you aim at your target your slowing down your scroll speed to prepaire to fire, when your curser is over the target, aim assist is kicking in slowing down your total potential scroll speed across the specrum effectivly giving you 2 sets of scroll speed. 1 speed for when your not aiming at anything, and another for when your aiming at something and need more fine tuned aiming controls. those who use KB/M have had this type of control the entire time, and not once single person has screamed aimbot before today.
Chances Ghost Inf4m0us 668	Posted - 2013.09.05 06:28:00 - [7] - Quote R'adeh Hunt wrote: It's still a crutch and turning Dust into a shooter for people who like to ride bikes with training wheels...skill is suddenly pretty irrelevant. sooo KB/M wich still has more fine tuned aiming controls is a crutch? and aim assist to compete with KB/B (a war wich KB/M is still winning) is a bigger crutch? wich control scheme do you use may i ask?
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles 1048	Posted - 2013.09.05 06:37:00 - [8] - Quote Xyl5 wrote: I am purely disgusted and I don't have enough pity to go around for all the people who think that aim assist is godsend. "DS3 users now have a chance against KB/M!! lelelel" Sounds like, "I sucked really hard at this game but now with aim assist, I'm amazing" I pity everyone who said that because you are admitting that you suck at aiming without aim assist. Especially since there are players out there who uses gamepads and still own without aim assist. You couldn't kill a player before because you have no skill. So you pride yourself now that you can kill with the help of aim assist. That is utterly pathetic. Praising your aim assist equates to nothing but a cry for help because you lack the skill you degenerate uneducated plebeian. And for those who claim aim assist should be in Dust 514 because it's a console game like other FPS games should just play those other plebeian games like those other useless sacks of skin they call players. Because Dust 514 is pronounced as Dust 514, not Call of Duty, Which means, if you haven't guessed, it's a different game. I played Dust 514 for its promise of becoming a better FPS game than the other FPS casual games. I stayed for the in-depth character customization that gives players the chance to be better than others. And I continued playing for the challenge of playing with no aim assist. But obviously, they were all shattered in just one day. This is my response
Chances Ghost Inf4m0us 668	Posted - 2013.09.05 06:39:00 - [9] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: This is my response so what your saying is you want KB/M support removed fromt eh game? or are you saying you have no idea what your talking about so your going to quote someone who sounds like they do? also that post doesnt actually relate to this thread, as nobody praised aim assist. praise and explaination are two sperate things
Malcom Xo Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 19	Posted - 2013.09.05 06:41:00 - [10] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: Xyl5 wrote: I am purely disgusted and I don't have enough pity to go around for all the people who think that aim assist is godsend. "DS3 users now have a chance against KB/M!! lelelel" Sounds like, "I sucked really hard at this game but now with aim assist, I'm amazing" I pity everyone who said that because you are admitting that you suck at aiming without aim assist. Especially since there are players out there who uses gamepads and still own without aim assist. You couldn't kill a player before because you have no skill. So you pride yourself now that you can kill with the help of aim assist. That is utterly pathetic. Praising your aim assist equates to nothing but a cry for help because you lack the skill you degenerate uneducated plebeian. And for those who claim aim assist should be in Dust 514 because it's a console game like other FPS games should just play those other plebeian games like those other useless sacks of skin they call players. Because Dust 514 is pronounced as Dust 514, not Call of Duty, Which means, if you haven't guessed, it's a different game. I played Dust 514 for its promise of becoming a better FPS game than the other FPS casual games. I stayed for the in-depth character customization that gives players the chance to be better than others. And I continued playing for the challenge of playing with no aim assist. But obviously, they were all shattered in just one day. This is my response Let's pretend what you say matters. IF DS3 is sooooo godsend, it's soooooooooo GDLK Use it than..... #2WayStreet

Deranged Disaster Seraphim Initiative.. 478	Posted - 2013.09.05 06:42:00 - [11] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: This is my response so what your saying is you want KB/M support removed fromt eh game? or are you saying you have no idea what your talking about so your going to quote someone who sounds like they do? also that post doesnt actually relate to this thread, as nobody praised aim assist. praise and explaination are two sperate things He's saying you are **** and can't aim, that's why you are defending the aim assist that much.
Chances Ghost Inf4m0us 668	Posted - 2013.09.05 06:44:00 - [12] - Quote Deranged Disaster wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: This is my response so what your saying is you want KB/M support removed fromt eh game? or are you saying you have no idea what your talking about so your going to quote someone who sounds like they do? also that post doesnt actually relate to this thread, as nobody praised aim assist. praise and explaination are two sperate things He's saying you are **** and can't aim, that's why you are defending the aim assist that much. again, defending and explaining are two seperate things my performance since the changes has been unchanged. i was simply trying to enlighten people as to what exactly an aim assist does and what its limitations are, since they all seem to think it turns your crosshairs into a giant magnet of death
Deranged Disaster Seraphim Initiative.. 478	Posted - 2013.09.05 06:48:00 - [13] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: again, defending and explaining are two seperate things my performance since the changes has been unchanged. i was simply trying to enlighten people as to what exactly an aim assist does and what its limitations are, since they all seem to think it turns your crosshairs into a giant magnet of death I understand your point of view, it's not a giant magnet of death but it is pretty bad. It does lock on and stays on, it is noticable but the thing is it took me a while to see it clearly. I suggest you play a couple more games and see how it goes, maybe you'll notice it yourself.
Chances Ghost Inf4m0us 669	Posted - 2013.09.05 06:53:00 - [14] - Quote Deranged Disaster wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: again, defending and explaining are two seperate things my performance since the changes has been unchanged. i was simply trying to enlighten people as to what exactly an aim assist does and what its limitations are, since they all seem to think it turns your crosshairs into a giant magnet of death I understand your point of view, it's not a giant magnet of death but it is pretty bad. It does lock on and stays on, it is noticable but the thing is it took me a while to see it clearly. I suggest you play a couple more games and see how it goes, maybe you'll notice it yourself. if by a couple more games you mean more games then it takes to cap out...... ive tested it quite a bit, if anything i think it helps snipers more then everyone else, IF they get lucky with rendering. quit it with the condesention, this isnt a **** waving party, this is a simple discussion of mechanics, and its limitations. you have yet to provide anything constructive to the discussion and have instead opted for personal attacks as some sort of way to ease your need to feel supirior in some way.
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles 1048	Posted - 2013.09.05 06:53:00 - [15] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: now aim assist is helping DS3 users, but KB/M users have had this kind of fire tuned aiming controls forever and are STILL MORE PRECISE then the aim assist. This is more along the lines of what I was responding to. You're clearly in favor of aim assist. As well as stating you believe kbm have had easy aiming forever and is still better than the aim assist crutch. Lol you can't be more precise than the new aim assist dude.
Eno Raef KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 74	Posted - 2013.09.05 06:55:00 - [16] - Quote People complaining about aim assist are just spoiled brats. They spent so long being able to pubstomp, when other players can actually kill them, they QQ. They weren't QQn when they weren't dying. Really, if aim assist is causing so called good players to die more, they must not have been as good as they thought. Me, I die less now. Now that hit detection is fixed and aim assist is working, they'll have to actually try to not die instead of jumping around, miraculously dodging bullets. They just wanted a no competition easy mode.
Chances Ghost Inf4m0us 669	Posted - 2013.09.05 06:56:00 - [17] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: now aim assist is helping DS3 users, but KB/M users have had this kind of fire tuned aiming controls forever and are STILL MORE PRECISE then the aim assist. This is more along the lines of what I was responding to. You're clearly in favor of aim assist. As well as stating you believe kbm have had easy aiming forever and is still better than the aim assist crutch. Lol you can't be more precise than the new aim assist dude. im not sure you understand how a mouse works you cant get any more precise than a mouse without automation. whats more precise, something that can vary its scroll speed across any spectrum? or something that has a limited number of speed settings. those are simple facts i stated, ones that are just true. one does not have to be for or against a particular subject to acknowledge facts.
Gigatron Prime The.Primes 324	Posted - 2013.09.05 07:00:00 - [18] - Quote You know what, it's not aim assist at all. I turned it off and still didn't feel much of a difference with it on. I think CCP is just finally getting the hang of tuning their FPS systems.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 8064	Posted - 2013.09.05 18:05:00 - [19] - Quote Gigatron Prime wrote: You know what, it's not aim assist at all. I turned it off and still didn't feel much of a difference with it on. I think CCP is just finally getting the hang of tuning their FPS systems. Which furthers my belief its not Aim Assist but overly helpful hit detection.
R'adeh Hunt The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 400	Posted - 2013.09.05 19:19:00 - [20] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: R'adeh Hunt wrote: It's still a crutch and turning Dust into a shooter for people who like to ride bikes with training wheels...skill is suddenly pretty irrelevant. sooo KB/M wich still has more fine tuned aiming controls is a crutch? and aim assist to compete with KB/B (a war wich KB/M is still winning) is a bigger crutch? wich control scheme do you use may i ask? KB/M still requires skill....aim assist doesn't. By using aim assist you're essentially admitting that you suck at the the game...

pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES 784	Posted - 2013.09.05 19:30:00 - [21] - Quote R'adeh Hunt wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: R'adeh Hunt wrote: It's still a crutch and turning Dust into a shooter for people who like to ride bikes with training wheels...skill is suddenly pretty irrelevant. sooo KB/M wich still has more fine tuned aiming controls is a crutch? and aim assist to compete with KB/B (a war wich KB/M is still winning) is a bigger crutch? wich control scheme do you use may i ask? KB/M still requires skill....aim assist doesn't. By using aim assist you're essentially admitting that you suck at the the game... Kbm has a major advantage over ds3 and admiting you use it on a consol game means you are admitting that you indeed do suck ass.
Beren Hurin The Vanguardians 1423	Posted - 2013.09.05 19:35:00 - [22] - Quote R'adeh Hunt wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: R'adeh Hunt wrote: It's still a crutch and turning Dust into a shooter for people who like to ride bikes with training wheels...skill is suddenly pretty irrelevant. sooo KB/M wich still has more fine tuned aiming controls is a crutch? and aim assist to compete with KB/B (a war wich KB/M is still winning) is a bigger crutch? wich control scheme do you use may i ask? KB/M still requires skill....aim assist doesn't. By using aim assist you're essentially admitting that you suck at the the game... Terrible argument. Another difference between KBM and mouse is that when you stop moving the mouse your client input stops. When you let up on your joystick with DS3 there is still input delay, not to mention how fluid the dead zones seem when network latency is poor. But that residual input from the DS3 sticks is HUGELY responsible for tracking precision issues because it COMPOUNDS tracking problems for DS3s compared to KBM. Especially when tracking an ADADAD KBM crutch user compensating for this residual imprecision becomes MUCH more difficult. If DS3 users feel like they have mastered this issue without aim assist they are likely one of the very few with little issue with battle server latency.
Boot Booter Omega Elite Mercs INC. 72	Posted - 2013.09.05 19:48:00 - [23] - Quote OK so I haven't played the update yet.. But I'm going to throw out my opinion because I'm sick of reading all this **** in every other thread. A truly good DS3 user will quickly turn off aim assist and perform better than with it on. Why? Because as the OP said it slows and alters your aiming when it detects an opponent. This is what I have always done with FPS games because the mechanics of the aim assists are always slightly different and end up annoying me. Anyone who uses KB/M and is complaining about it... Why? How does it affect anything you do, you can't just assume that because hit detection got better every "DS3 noob using aimbot easy mode QQ". AND for those DS3 users who use aim assist... GO FOR IT. It really makes no difference to me, it'll just end up f ING you up in the future. Point of all this is.. Stop crying about everything. The OP was just describing how it works. Adapt bros!
Tek Hound Death In Xcess Corporation 52	Posted - 2013.09.05 21:36:00 - [24] - Quote A crutch is still a crutch
Poonmunch Sanguis Defense Syndicate 326	Posted - 2013.09.05 21:38:00 - [25] - Quote Rational and balanced. Good post. Munch
DootDoot Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2013.09.05 21:42:00 - [26] - Quote I'm a noob in this game been playing for a short time and its silly the registry i get with it and it does pull my aim im currently making a montage of 15 minutes of gameplay highlights and the footage is shocking... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEIB2lV7TE8<--- video i made about aim assist last night that brought me here.
Chances Ghost Inf4m0us 698	Posted - 2013.09.05 21:45:00 - [27] - Quote DootDoot wrote: I'm a noob in this game been playing for a short time and its silly the registry i get with it and it does pull my aim im currently making a montage of 15 minutes of gameplay highlights and the footage is shocking... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEIB2lV7TE8<--- video i made about aim assist last night that brought me here. post the vid here when your done FOR SCIENCE!!!!!!
Poonmunch Sanguis Defense Syndicate 326	Posted - 2013.09.05 21:47:00 - [28] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: ive tested it quite a bit, if anything i think it helps snipers more then everyone else, IF they get lucky with rendering. Woa big guy. Snipers don't have this feature according to Dev posts. I haven't noticed it during sniping. Munch
Chances Ghost Inf4m0us 698	Posted - 2013.09.05 21:49:00 - [29] - Quote Poonmunch wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: ive tested it quite a bit, if anything i think it helps snipers more then everyone else, IF they get lucky with rendering. Woa big guy. Snipers don't have this feature according to Dev posts. I haven't noticed it during sniping. Munch havnt actualy used a sniper with it, that was purly assumption on my part. my bad. also havnt tested with SR and ASR becuase im not spending SP on it just to test and i cant be bothered with alts. theoretically it would help with snipers fine tuned aiming and would make it quicker to head shot on stationary targets. but perhaps in their hands it would be a bit too powerful
Nemo Bluntz TeamPlayers EoN. 514	Posted - 2013.09.05 21:49:00 - [30] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: R'adeh Hunt wrote: It's still a crutch and turning Dust into a shooter for people who like to ride bikes with training wheels...skill is suddenly pretty irrelevant. sooo KB/M wich still has more fine tuned aiming controls is a crutch? and aim assist to compete with KB/B (a war wich KB/M is still winning) is a bigger crutch? wich control scheme do you use may i ask? Haha. Dude, have you seriously even attempted using the M/KB since Uprising dropped? Its totally trash. The one slight fix (which didn't help all too much), which was to turned the screen resolution to 480, no longer works in 1.4.



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