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Hunter Junko
Zanzibar Concept
163
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Posted - 2013.09.05 16:05:00 -
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Dropship pilot here, but i feel for the scouts
Signed |
OZAROW
WarRavens
League of Infamy
531
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Posted - 2013.09.05 16:08:00 -
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Crow Splat wrote:Those look like the numbers I got too OZ. As it is right now the minmitar can't beat the best resolution scanner. You need Gallente for that. AFAIK the Gallente scout and Gallente Logi with max skills is the only way to become unscannable right now.
I agree that the logi needs an adjustment for sure. I think that if you're going to give Minmitar scouts the ability to beat all scanners then you are going to have to give Gallente an extra high slot or something. Right now it's one of 2 things that we can do better than our Minmitar cousins and both of those are questionable when you account for what we give up.
Ya I mentioned all that in the first post because I have both suits , miniscout proto an gallente scout 1, they both need to be redone, two equipment, better base stats, high for gallente an a low for mini an increased core CPU pg an everything else in the main post, this needs to be fixed before they create the new scout races.
I totally agree sir, an thanks for having my back on the scanner +10 |
Lightning Bolt2
Binary Mercs
Abandon PlayGrounds
153
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Posted - 2013.09.05 16:11:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
906
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Posted - 2013.09.05 17:01:00 -
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My need for speed has been squabbled. My minja needs love.
signed, scout brethren. |
Smooth Assassin
Stardust incorporation
133
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Posted - 2013.09.05 17:05:00 -
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More health and a reduction of skill points required to gain kenetic catalyzers.
Signed. |
Smooth Assassin
Stardust incorporation
133
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Posted - 2013.09.05 17:35:00 -
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Up the leaderboards! |
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Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
253
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Posted - 2013.09.05 17:53:00 -
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Scouts need some love
and its time we get what we want said & out there for CCP to see & read
hopefully by 1.5 CCP will have a plan for the Scout |
Kadeim
Third Rock From The Sun
32
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Posted - 2013.09.05 18:48:00 -
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Signed...
..but I would also like to add that the new maps stink for snipers; even the changes done to some of the old ground layout maps (the replaced buildings) have even made them sniper unfriendly - even sniper impossible. There is no way to get to rooftops, a place that Snipers hang out, nor are there any significant high ground points where you can crouch behind a peak or rock.
Add to this, the timeout, if you sit in one place waiting to find someone (in range) to shoot, makes you have to shoot or move (take steps- because just zooming the scope and looking around doesn't stop the timer) which then makes it easier to be spotted.
Personally, I would like it that if you are wearing a Scout suit, and your main weapon is a Sniper Rifle (maybe even a Nova Knife) the timer shouldn't take effect - as long as you aren't in the MCC, and you are using the scope to look around for the enemy. |
Bojo The Mighty
Zanzibar Concept
1680
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Posted - 2013.09.05 18:52:00 -
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I agree that it is wrong that when maxed out, a minmatar scout can not avoid Proto Scanners even though basic scanners do not pick up basic scouts. I also figure it kind of wrong to require 3/5 of gallente scout's space to do so. The point to scouts is that we are good at stealth and thus do not require a whole lot of sacrifice to be stealthy but it seems proto scans put that over the top.
However I don't think I can agree with module space expansions. If you look at the Heavy Frames+Light Frames vs. Medium, you will find that they are niche suits and excel in their field (duh). The cost is Mobility+Stealth/Health and module space for either Higher Mobility + Stealth or Higher Health + Heavy Weapon Handling.
If we buff scout module spaces then the heavies become lacking and we'd probably start some flare war with Medium frames. I recommend taking what Scouts excel in further, making them faster and probably stealthier.
Note: Difference Between Profile of Scout and Mediums is less than difference between Mediums and Heavies
Note: Difference between speed of Min Light and Gal Light is greater than difference between Gal Light and Min Medium
The answer:
WSGBF!
Widen Speed Gaps Between Frames ~ Widen Stealth Gaps Between Frames |
Foxbat 072
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2013.09.05 19:02:00 -
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signed
+1 |
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
49
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Posted - 2013.09.05 19:05:00 -
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It doesn't matter how fast you are if bullets home in on your like heat seeking mini missiles of death, I am not a scout but I literally always play with my roommate who is a proto minja and its just absolutely ridiculous now (I know first hand as we often times trade and play each others' char).
I think they should just make it so aim assist doesn't work on scouts, this might seem silly but I had no problem taking out scouts in 1.3 or any build before that, but when scouts are able to dictate the engagement my proto amarr assault is dead in 1 or 2 shots and I think thats awesome.
We could tie it into the lore, of how scouts and their advanced dampening capabilities are able to nullify the aim assist capabilities of other suits that are targeting them
that way scouts will still be killable but just harder to track as they bob and weave in and out of cover, serpentine-ing into a well placed shotgun blast to the jugular.
I use the KB/M so I could care less about aim assist, but after playing my buddies scout I now understand why he rages at the TV and throws his controller around (considering that its my controller hes using)
So for the sake of my ds3 as well as my buddie's sanity lets stop worrying about the goddamn medium suits because they are fine now. Scouts need some goddamn ******* love for god sake, it is time now to fix them so my amarr assault can have his shotgunning minmatar partner back (I know someone from PIE Inc is gonna come here and tell me how blasphemous this is)
EDIT: Also fix the terrain, getting stuck on a slight incline or the raise of a sidewalk as we die from that last bullet that happened to curve over the wall and killing the scout is bogus. We have to consider the mobility of the terrain were fighting on when discussing the mobility fix for scouts |
Smooth Assassin
Stardust incorporation
135
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Posted - 2013.09.05 19:39:00 -
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:D |
Eskimorris
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
12
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Posted - 2013.09.05 19:45:00 -
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Signed
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notoire
0uter.Heaven
1
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Posted - 2013.09.05 19:52:00 -
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signed
it's hard out there for a scout where speed don't mean **** and we can't maneuver like we used to. That's my biggest problem, i can no longer evade fire. So what is the scout suit for? If it's not a lighter and more maneuverable than the rest? I thought that we had to make up for our lack of HP with speed and maneuverability, but the fact that I still get stuck on tiny little things and even on completely flat walls entirely negates any semblance of skill that I possess. |
Django Quik
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
1393
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Posted - 2013.09.05 20:38:00 -
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Signed.
I've been playing adv gal light/scout for months now and have my skills all in very good places but I still can't run 2 adv sidearms and fill all my slots in useful ways without having one of them taken up by a CPU module. This is just wrong and is not the case for any other non-light suit.
The adv gal needs either one extra low slot or enough CPU to be able use all slots properly without a CPU mod. Then give the proto an extra hi slot because only 1 makes no sense and there's little point in me ever using a proto instead.
Some extra speed would be good and a slightly lower base profile and higher base scan radius is pretty much a given to make us more scoutly.
Another fantastic suggestion I heard somewhere was that aim assist should be affected by scan profile - i.e. if your scan profile is less than the enemy's scan precision, aim assist should be proportionately less effective. |
Smooth Assassin
Stardust incorporation
137
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Posted - 2013.09.05 20:47:00 -
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Ok now CCP i have been seeing alot of proto's with heavy armor and shields now i am a scout and i can't nova knife them if they have all these armor. Scouts are the only weakest class even weaker than MLT and alot of people were looking forward to the new map as a scout but as aim assist comes along everyone is tanking shield and armor and i barely see any scouts apart from me.
One more thing CCP why is it so hard to get kenetic catalyzers? it takes about one million SP just to get an enchanced kenetic catalyzer i mean cmon CCP you can do better for scouts before you lose them forever.
Maybe another equipment or just buff the natural scan and how can i live with these low CPU and PG when i'm using kenetic catalyzers i'm sick of this!!!
Signed. |
STEALTH HUNTER ZERO
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
26
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Posted - 2013.09.05 21:25:00 -
[77] - Quote
Signed!!! |
Yan Darn
DUST University
Ivy League
116
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Posted - 2013.09.05 21:34:00 -
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Signed. |
Eno Raef
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
81
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Posted - 2013.09.05 21:35:00 -
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I'd like to see scouts be able to jump from much higher heights than other suits and not take nearly as much damage. Scouts do need some kind of buff.
What if scouts never were shown on the HUD without a very very precise scanner, no matter if it were in the line of sight of a squad mate or not. It should be very difficult to catch a scout on the HUD.
The scout will never be able to easily compete with the very high EHP of medium and heavy suits and so they should get big buffs to covert ops and biotic skills such as lower scan profile, much faster running speeds, faster climbing speeds, higher jumping. Stuff like that. They should be like little lizards, easy to kill but very hard to catch. |
Keeriam Miray
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
38
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Posted - 2013.09.05 21:56:00 -
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Signed |
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KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
844
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Posted - 2013.09.05 22:47:00 -
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Signed and here is why:
In one of my alts i wanted to do a Good SUPPORT Logi.
I got all the way up to Proto, Minmatar Logi.
Later on i realized, hey, i can do more than just Hack objectives REALLY fast and drop uplinks and give ammo. I can actually play as a pseudo scout.
So with Kinetic Cats, Cardiac regulators,Profile dampener,some shield tanking and a Shotgun i could actually do EVERYTHING i could with the scout and more.
Now my alt has an active scanner and ammo and a needle, has a VERY low profile scan (only active scanners can pick me up), i have 500 shields and around 150 armor, i have 5 HP repair just thanks to the logi bonus, i hack stuff faster than any scout , basically im a BETTER scout with only -0.8 speed. Thats all.
SO signed, because scout should be able to be the best at what they do and as it is, lots of Medium frames can be modded to do their job better... |
OZAROW
WarRavens
League of Infamy
546
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Posted - 2013.09.05 23:00:00 -
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Smooth Assassin wrote:Ok now CCP i have been seeing alot of proto's with heavy armor and shields now i am a scout and i can't nova knife them if they have all these armor. Scouts are the only weakest class even weaker than MLT and alot of people were looking forward to the new map as a scout but as aim assist comes along everyone is tanking shield and armor and i barely see any scouts apart from me.
One more thing CCP why is it so hard to get kenetic catalyzers? it takes about one million SP just to get an enchanced kenetic catalyzer i mean cmon CCP you can do better for scouts before you lose them forever.
Maybe another equipment or just buff the natural scan and how can i live with these low CPU and PG when i'm using kenetic catalyzers i'm sick of this!!!
Signed.
I ll be on tonight say 6/7 hours before downtime add me to contacts an send me a message an we ll go stabbing together I ll see if I can help explain a few things with your load out an maybe that will help, then I can help you figure out where you need your sp the most |
Grief PK
D3LTA FORC3
Inver Brass
43
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Posted - 2013.09.05 23:04:00 -
[83] - Quote
/signed |
Krom Ganesh
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
233
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Posted - 2013.09.05 23:06:00 -
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Signed |
ritslight umarn
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
91
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Posted - 2013.09.05 23:07:00 -
[85] - Quote
signed
im not even a scout but **** they need some sort of buff!!!!! |
Cyzad4
Blackfish Corp.
21
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Posted - 2013.09.05 23:10:00 -
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signed |
Llast 326
An Arkhos
16
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Posted - 2013.09.05 23:11:00 -
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signed
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Eric Del Carlo
DIOS EX.
Top Men.
1
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Posted - 2013.09.05 23:12:00 -
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Signed |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
3727
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Posted - 2013.09.05 23:53:00 -
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I won't say I agree whole-heartedly with every proposal made here, but in general, I approve.
+1 to OP and signed. |
LeGoose
SAM-MIK
21
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Posted - 2013.09.05 23:58:00 -
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Can I sign twice? |
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