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OZAROW
WarRavens
League of Infamy
480
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Posted - 2013.09.05 05:55:00 -
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ok im not the best English student but here goes bare with me.
i am a minmatar scout and also use the advaced gallente scout and here are some things ive noticed;
we need more slots for one, reason being is this:
our cpu/pg is so low especially on the minmatar (lowest in game) we cannot do our jobs
if we have a scanner, we cant use uplinks, if we cant do both then we cant sneak into enemy territory , scan and place a up link, we need a second equipment slot.
the gallente needs another high and the minmatar another low slot , heres why:
i have my profile dampening at level 4 and its been there since before the active scanner even came out, now i basically wasted a ton of points in the profile dampening because it will never work for a 2 low slot scout.
profile of a scout with maxed profile dampening is 30 db, a complex profile dampening mod reduces your profile by 7.5
the advanced scanner is 28 db, which means you always need a profile dampener to be under.
2 complex profile dampeners reduce the db to 15, the proto scanner is 15 db which mean a mini scout will never get under it and a gallente scout needs to use 3 low slots to get under it.
now this means that a mini scout wont be able to use the rest of its slots, you wont be able to fit 2 guns or a scanner or all your shields, the galente is now stuck with one slot to maybe use a pg or cpu mod to add guns, probably not a complex shield, and possibly no equipment or a greneade.
now this means we are possibly the slowest suits in the game with nothing useful in our equipment , and our shields and weapons are a mix match of basic gear.
lets say you forget the pd and want to speed tank, well if you want speed , and say drop up links and a gun on a mini proto scout, you will barely fit all shield slots, no grenade and your still running around with the health of a advanced suit and also have a fit with mix matched basic gear, maybe a proto nova knife but a militia smg, two complex shields, no equipment an maybe level one nades.
there are many horrible mix matched suits as a scout and any suit that has decent guns or shields needs a cpu chip or a pg chip.
not to mention the aim assist eats you alive as soon as your spotted and also the fact that our hit box or collision model has not been fixed and we die when the opposition isn't even shooting us.
in combinations of all fits i have tried to make work there simply isnt any combination that isn't a catch 22 situation, that cant be beat by a proto assault running kinetics and being faster, or a logistics suit that runs profile dampeners and scanners, and may also have a hacking speed bonus , because i now need, pd in my low slots or a cpu chip in my low slot, and i am officially slower than most suits.
our cpu / pg is way too low, our slot configuration is too weak and out dated to be of any use in this game with the multitude of game changes that have indirectly made our scout suits obsolete , not to mention all the weapon hit detection problems still occurring with nova knives and shot guns, plus our scan ranges even with skills are too close to other classes.
our stock db, should be at least 40
our stock speed should be increase or even make our shield regen be 45 instead of 40
our cpu and pg need to be increased and both scouts need another equipment slot to actually be scouts, i mean what is the point of running to the other side of the map with uplinks and no scanner? a logi can do that with 4 equipment slots and a car, even though he should be reviving team members and that job should be ours.
we need maybe a better hacking speed or a armor regen of +1 minmatar assault gets this bonus, so maybe the scout should have this bonus and maybe the gallente too or give them both some sort of quicker regen either shield or armor but they should both have a passive regeneration, other wise its back to the catch 22, need a armor rep, there goes your pd or speed or your equipment slot for a compact nano hive, now your a useless scout, damaged and far away from help, with no scanner or up links for a teammate to spawn in and help you....... see the catch 22 of this class?
nova knives need a fitting optimization skill , the cpu and pg is as high as a prototype smg or sg give or take a few, i mean there knives how much room can they really take?
even with core skills at 4 , explosives at 4 and weapon operations at 4 i need a cpu chip on almost every fit just to have complex shields knives and a gun and im still walking around with way under 400 total hp on almost either advanced or proto fits, and the proto fit only usefulness is 60 more shields and a tiny bit mor cpu/ pg for 50 000 isk mor than my advanced fit.
For every full blown scout to even survive now we need skills in almost everything on the skill tree for ex
the suit
a main weapon a side arm
core skill
operation weapon skills
optimization for weapons ( only we have alot of nk users that cant reduce the cpu / pg of this weapon)
endurance
biotics
kinetics
equipments, scanners, uplinks, explosives
electronics
dampeners
range
precision
not to mention shields and armor upgrades
plates or shield extention
for a full time scout the sp sink is huge!
my alt character that is being buit for the caldari scout when it comes out is a covenent suit, exil rifle, syndicate smg, enhanced shileds, costs 5000 isk and has under 2 million sp and doesnt need half of these skills to be successful in battle
ccp it took me a while to plan this message please look into all the variables, and my SCOUT BROTHERS please sign this and help me get the ball rolling on fixing our class
Thanks... OZ
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First Prophet
Unkn0wn Killers
935
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Posted - 2013.09.05 05:58:00 -
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Oh hey. We finally reached that low point where we're making petitions. I'd be more critical if this wasn't so desperately needed.
/F**kin' signed. |
Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
1092
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Posted - 2013.09.05 06:02:00 -
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Signed |
Shotty GoBang
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
893
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Posted - 2013.09.05 06:03:00 -
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Signed.
+1 (in particular) to dropsuit module and equipment additions and increased CPU/PG. |
DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles
1046
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Posted - 2013.09.05 06:03:00 -
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I really didn't want us to sink to petition threads...
Ehh wth why not
Signed.
I'm tanking my scouts now. Forget speed tanking!
Edit: likes for all scout brothers! |
OZAROW
WarRavens
League of Infamy
483
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Posted - 2013.09.05 06:05:00 -
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THANKS GUYS, i didnt want to do it but enough is enough and i actually hate typing but somebody needed too, please spread the word we need everybody on here |
BARDAS
DUST University
Ivy League
407
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Posted - 2013.09.05 06:05:00 -
[7] - Quote
Signed +1 |
Oswald Rehnquist
Abandoned Privilege
General Tso's Alliance
181
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Posted - 2013.09.05 06:12:00 -
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I'm actually doing really well with
The dragonfly suit
Advance Scram P
Toxin SMG
Advance Active Scanner
Advance Kincat or Damp
That is literally my fit
its a dirt cheap fit and I'm getting 15/5 to 10/6 ratios pending on the map both solo and in squads.
The Crater map is terrible for scouts, but everything else is really working for me and how I play.
I still acknowledge that the scout is still disadvantaged especially compared to the Gal Logi (the new scout supreme), but scouts are actually viable from my viewpoint now.
Mind you there are more toys that I want for the scout, like cloaks, ewar, more sidearms, and the caldari scout, but the game play is definitely doable. |
GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
45
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Posted - 2013.09.05 06:16:00 -
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Signed |
Blind Nojoy
G I A N T
EoN.
44
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Posted - 2013.09.05 06:19:00 -
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Signed |
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OZAROW
WarRavens
League of Infamy
488
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Posted - 2013.09.05 06:27:00 -
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Oswald Rehnquist wrote:I'm actually doing really well with
The dragonfly suit
Advance Scram P
Toxin SMG
Advance Active Scanner
Advance Kincat or Damp
That is literally my fit
its a dirt cheap fit and I'm getting 15/5 to 10/6 ratios pending on the map both solo and in squads.
The Crater map is terrible for scouts, but everything else is really working for me and how I play.
I still acknowledge that the scout is still disadvantaged especially compared to the Gal Logi (the new scout supreme), but scouts are actually viable from my viewpoint now.
Mind you there are more toys that I want for the scout, like cloaks, ewar, more sidearms, and the caldari scout, but the game play is definitely doable.
If you spent the sp on a racial scout instead of being a tourist with a free fit I think your opinion would be different. |
Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
129
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Posted - 2013.09.05 11:15:00 -
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signed |
LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
475
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Posted - 2013.09.05 11:17:00 -
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I am not a Scout nor do I play any Light frames, but I feel for you all.
/signed |
OZAROW
WarRavens
League of Infamy
496
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Posted - 2013.09.05 11:21:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:I am not a Scout nor do I play any Light frames, but I feel for you all.
/signed
Thanks brother we need it especially to run from faster an better rotating heavies, especially heavies with kbm |
Rogue Saint
Science For Death
The Shadow Eclipse
146
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Posted - 2013.09.05 11:23:00 -
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/Signed
{with some QQ for my beloved scout} |
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
The Kaos Legion
42
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Posted - 2013.09.05 11:24:00 -
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Signed. |
IM-JUST TO-FAT
Blauhelme
Orion Empire
36
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Posted - 2013.09.05 11:27:00 -
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First Prophet wrote:Oh hey. We finally reached that low point where we're making petitions. I'd be more critical if this wasn't so desperately needed.
/F**kin' signed.
Signed |
ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
1111
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Posted - 2013.09.05 11:42:00 -
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Make scouts not apear on scanners... or at least not stay "scanned" for so long
Signed tho |
f-ANT-astic-1
Blauhelme
Orion Empire
2
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Posted - 2013.09.05 11:57:00 -
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OZAROW wrote:Oswald Rehnquist wrote:I'm actually doing really well with
The dragonfly suit
Advance Scram P
Toxin SMG
Advance Active Scanner
Advance Kincat or Damp
That is literally my fit
its a dirt cheap fit and I'm getting 15/5 to 10/6 ratios pending on the map both solo and in squads.
The Crater map is terrible for scouts, but everything else is really working for me and how I play.
I still acknowledge that the scout is still disadvantaged especially compared to the Gal Logi (the new scout supreme), but scouts are actually viable from my viewpoint now.
Mind you there are more toys that I want for the scout, like cloaks, ewar, more sidearms, and the caldari scout, but the game play is definitely doable. If you spent the sp on a racial scout instead of being a tourist with a free fit I think your opinion would be different.
+1
signed. |
Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
973
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Posted - 2013.09.05 11:59:00 -
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I run with SMG and "uplink" and "scanner" on my recon in BF3.
I think it's not too much to ask to be able to do same here.
Signed. |
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AAGMUNDR
Reliable Overwatch Inc.
27
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Posted - 2013.09.05 12:02:00 -
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As a scout that runs fits that run 70k each I agree wholeheartedly.
Signed... Oh no, I got a paper cut while wearing my scout suit. I'm dead. |
OZAROW
WarRavens
League of Infamy
500
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Posted - 2013.09.05 12:02:00 -
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ChromeBreaker wrote:Make scouts not apear on scanners... or at least not stay "scanned" for so long
Signed tho
In order to avoid the 28 db scanner scouts need at least a level 3 or 4 passive profile dampening, a proto suit an a dampened on the suit, the mini scout will not beat the 15 db scanner if I've done the math right it will land exactly at 15 which is also the scan, an the gallente scout might reach under 15 with 3 dampened with very little left over to fit anything.
We should be able to get under 28 db without using mods or our slots should be re evaluated like mentioned above |
CommanderBolt
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
248
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Posted - 2013.09.05 12:02:00 -
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+1 Signed.
Right now the scout suit is in a hard place.
Its really nice using them with profile dampeners and scanners as I have been finding out however the scout suit just isn't fast enough, lacks hit points and can't really compete with other suits.
Especially as now the autoaim is helping everyone tear through us with suprising accuracy.
Some balancing in the scouts favour would be appreciated. Especially a 2nd equipment slot and some added pg / cpu |
Lycuo
Seraphim Initiative..
61
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Posted - 2013.09.05 12:04:00 -
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/signed
Man does this build hurt >.> |
DoubleTap420
ROGUE SPADES
EoN.
62
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Posted - 2013.09.05 12:21:00 -
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My minja has been cradled up in a corner crying since Tuesday.
Signed. |
Ruthless Lee
The Eliminators
57
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Posted - 2013.09.05 12:23:00 -
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Signed. |
Blaze Ashra
O.U.T.E.R. S.A.N.C.T.U.M.
36
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Posted - 2013.09.05 12:34:00 -
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I'm not a scout but you guys need love.
Signed. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
3997
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Posted - 2013.09.05 12:37:00 -
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/Maken Tosch seal of approval - signed |
Mechoj Nomreps
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
100
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Posted - 2013.09.05 12:40:00 -
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Signed |
Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
884
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Posted - 2013.09.05 12:41:00 -
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Signed.
Moar CPU/PG! |
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