DUST Search - scout balancing petition , please sign SCOUT BROTHERS, ccp please respond and read

Oswald Rehnquist wrote:

OZAROW wrote:

Oswald Rehnquist wrote:

I'm actually doing really well with

The dragonfly suit
Advance Scram P
Toxin SMG
Advance Active Scanner
Advance Kincat or Damp

That is literally my fit

its a dirt cheap fit and I'm getting 15/5 to 10/6 ratios pending on the map both solo and in squads.

The Crater map is terrible for scouts, but everything else is really working for me and how I play.

I still acknowledge that the scout is still disadvantaged especially compared to the Gal Logi (the new scout supreme), but scouts are actually viable from my viewpoint now.

Mind you there are more toys that I want for the scout, like cloaks, ewar, more sidearms, and the caldari scout, but the game play is definitely doable.

If you spent the sp on a racial scout instead of being a tourist with a free fit I think your opinion would be different.

Tourist? I have played scout since the beginning and only scout on my toon, since I want the caldari scout I am not wasting it on the other two, instead I put them into point which would help my scout, if you miss allocated your points that is not on me.

Also there is no way you are suggesting that a standard scout suit is actually better than the higher tiers.

Its is not that scouts don't need love, I've made many threads on it, but scouts are indeed on better footing once you learn to adapt to the changes. Getting someones back now almost guarantees a kill, that was far from the case before hand. The scout is best at getting someones back and best of preventing others at finding his with the use of the active scanner and scan resists.

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Oswald Rehnquist Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance 181	Posted - 2013.09.05 13:12:00 - [31] - Quote OZAROW wrote: Oswald Rehnquist wrote: I'm actually doing really well with The dragonfly suit Advance Scram P Toxin SMG Advance Active Scanner Advance Kincat or Damp That is literally my fit its a dirt cheap fit and I'm getting 15/5 to 10/6 ratios pending on the map both solo and in squads. The Crater map is terrible for scouts, but everything else is really working for me and how I play. I still acknowledge that the scout is still disadvantaged especially compared to the Gal Logi (the new scout supreme), but scouts are actually viable from my viewpoint now. Mind you there are more toys that I want for the scout, like cloaks, ewar, more sidearms, and the caldari scout, but the game play is definitely doable. If you spent the sp on a racial scout instead of being a tourist with a free fit I think your opinion would be different. Tourist? I have played scout since the beginning and only scout on my toon, since I want the caldari scout I am not wasting it on the other two, instead I put them into point which would help my scout, if you miss allocated your points that is not on me. Also there is no way you are suggesting that a standard scout suit is actually better than the higher tiers. Its is not that scouts don't need love, I've made many threads on it, but scouts are indeed on better footing once you learn to adapt to the changes. Getting someones back now almost guarantees a kill, that was far from the case before hand. The scout is best at getting someones back and best of preventing others at finding his with the use of the active scanner and scan resists.
Protected Void STRONG-ARMED BANDITS 80	Posted - 2013.09.05 13:15:00 - [32] - Quote Signed
Sports Dude Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 239	Posted - 2013.09.05 13:16:00 - [33] - Quote Signed.
Lucifalic Baked n Loaded 75	Posted - 2013.09.05 13:21:00 - [34] - Quote Signed. Equipment slot, bit more speed, better slot balance, bit more CPU/pg, fix our collision and hitbox please!!! Have to lead a running target... Signed
Mac Dac Wraith Shadow Guards 167	Posted - 2013.09.05 13:42:00 - [35] - Quote LOL ..... The scouts are a dieing race. They're strengths will only strengthen the logi. Join us or perish. Resistance is futile. Its a shame. i once had some fun with scouts. Oh well the logi will soon assimilate they're enjoyment as well. Muhahaha!
Crow Splat DUST University Ivy League 120	Posted - 2013.09.05 13:51:00 - [36] - Quote /signed An extra equipment, more speed, tuning aim assist a bit. All things that would help the scout a lot. Even though I think you may want to figure your math on dampeners. If they work as you say and each dampener reduces the same amount of profile then all you really need to be unscannable is complex damps and a suit with 4 lows. I believe the way it works is the first reduces you down to ~22.5. The second is based off that nnumber and takes you to ~18. And the third drops you to ~12. At least it should work that way or scout suits just got even more useless since anyone with 4 lows could stack 4 dampeners for 100% profile reduction.
lrian Locust DUST University Ivy League 70	Posted - 2013.09.05 13:54:00 - [37] - Quote Signed. OP, thanks for starting the petition and getting us organised!
Orenji Jiji Seraphim Auxiliaries 252	Posted - 2013.09.05 14:05:00 - [38] - Quote Ex-scout here. Signed with all my might.
Travi Zyg G I A N T EoN. 97	Posted - 2013.09.05 14:07:00 - [39] - Quote minnie scout reporting in here, i feel like most of you scout brothers are forgetting that they clearly stated that scouts are getting love in 1.5...be patient. theres honestly no need for this petition.
Spec Ops Cipher Seraphim Initiative.. 504	Posted - 2013.09.05 14:21:00 - [40] - Quote Signed.

Grave Oblivion 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 4	Posted - 2013.09.05 14:26:00 - [41] - Quote signed
Toby Flenderson research lab The Superpowers 13	Posted - 2013.09.05 14:30:00 - [42] - Quote Signed.
Extraneus Tenebrarum THE BOSSES 37	Posted - 2013.09.05 14:32:00 - [43] - Quote Signed
OZAROW WarRavens League of Infamy 522	Posted - 2013.09.05 14:38:00 - [44] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: OZAROW wrote: Oswald Rehnquist wrote: I'm actually doing really well with The dragonfly suit Advance Scram P Toxin SMG Advance Active Scanner Advance Kincat or Damp That is literally my fit its a dirt cheap fit and I'm getting 15/5 to 10/6 ratios pending on the map both solo and in squads. The Crater map is terrible for scouts, but everything else is really working for me and how I play. I still acknowledge that the scout is still disadvantaged especially compared to the Gal Logi (the new scout supreme), but scouts are actually viable from my viewpoint now. Mind you there are more toys that I want for the scout, like cloaks, ewar, more sidearms, and the caldari scout, but the game play is definitely doable. If you spent the sp on a racial scout instead of being a tourist with a free fit I think your opinion would be different. Tourist? I have played scout since the beginning and only scout on my toon, since I want the caldari scout I am not wasting it on the other two, instead I put them into point which would help my scout, if you miss allocated your points that is not on me. Also there is no way you are suggesting that a standard scout suit is actually better than the higher tiers. Its is not that scouts don't need love, I've made many threads on it, but scouts are indeed on better footing once you learn to adapt to the changes. Getting someones back now almost guarantees a kill, that was far from the case before hand. The scout is best at getting someones back and best of preventing others at finding his with the use of the active scanner and scan resists. I'm quite aware but if your not a scout now then there's a huge difference, CPU an pg is huge, I have 18 million in my scout an maybe 2 million spent on guns an suits I tried but didn't need but other than that it's spent correctly. I have the right gear but as mentioned in the op the scout is lacking slots an suit power, an that's not on us that's on ccp, with all the game changes scoutsneed to be brought up to par. I'm a good scout as many of us are, but the problem is so many of us are really good with poor suits n underpowered conditions I'm afraid that if they fix our weapons an buff our suits, those of us that are good now will be extremely scary later an will make the community freak out. We've been fighting a up Jill battle for so long, we're gonna be monsters if our stuff ever works correctly, because the community is used to us working poorly, I have no clue how they will react once they find out what we can do once we can actually fit complex gear on our suits.
ARF 1049 The Phoenix Federation 39	Posted - 2013.09.05 14:40:00 - [45] - Quote It's a pity we have to be here but when my stuff is getting me killed because CCP is using there time to add things we never needed. And not fix and issue.that has more or less been here since the beginning of dust... It screws people up they need to add the beta scout again and reinforce them both. And while thee at it give is even better accuracy with aim assist, why not drop our scan level to a base of 40 as mentioned. And for gods sake optic CAMOUFLAGE... I don't want to be stuck as the dying race of lightweight suits. If your gonna buff every other suit in the game and add new ones you should fix the first suits... The Amarr heavy, the Caldari assault, the minmatar logistics and the Gallente scout... I don't understand you nerf the weapons and buff HP then you turn around and add aim assist making it pointless to attempt to aim, then you throw logis from every race in there which can tank as much HP as a baseline heavy?! I miss closed beta!!! Turn the game back to closed and retry CCP! There is potential in this game you just need to listen to us about it and well not keep your ideas of how this game would be so much better if... Make it better work on important stuff. So I say signed signed signed signed signed aaaaaallllllllllllllllll the way! Kudos to you for bringing up this problem and thinking about it
Beyond Creation The Pyramid Order The Nova Foundry 7	Posted - 2013.09.05 14:43:00 - [46] - Quote OZAROW wrote: 2 complex profile dampeners reduce the db to 15, the proto scanner is 15 db which mean a mini scout will never get under it now and a gallente scout needs to use 3 low slots to get under it. The proto scanner is actually 18 db
Beyond Creation The Pyramid Order The Nova Foundry 7	Posted - 2013.09.05 14:59:00 - [47] - Quote signed
OZAROW WarRavens League of Infamy 522	Posted - 2013.09.05 15:03:00 - [48] - Quote Crow Splat wrote: /signed An extra equipment, more speed, tuning aim assist a bit. All things that would help the scout a lot. Even though I think you may want to figure your math on dampeners. If they work as you say and each dampener reduces the same amount of profile then all you really need to be unscannable is complex damps and a suit with 4 lows. I believe the way it works is the first reduces you down to ~22.5. The second is based off that nnumber and takes you to ~18. And the third drops you to ~12. At least it should work that way or scout suits just got even more useless since anyone with 4 lows could stack 4 dampeners for 100% profile reduction. As far as I know I've been doing it like this because I heard ccp does math weird do instead of adding all together it's one at a time. I'm a mini scout an was before the scanner even came out so to my knowledge if it works this way a mini can't beat the 15 db scanner, which I think it has to so correct me if I'm wrong because I really wanna know how this is done because if it really works how I think it does we need it fixed because scouts need to get under it. 45 stock x proto suit 25% = 11.25 = 33.75 db 33.75 suit x 10% level 5 pd passive bonus = 3.375 = 30.375 db 30.375 suit x 25 % complex pd = 7.59375 = 22.78125 db 22.78125 suit x 25 % complex pd = 5.6953125 = 17.0859375 db That leaves a mini scout that was silly enough to spend sp to level five thinking 2 complex was a good idea with a db of 17.0859375, then they made the active scanner so we can't get under it but a logistics can! This is bad! Hence we need a dev on this ASAP to clarify if the math is correct
OZAROW WarRavens League of Infamy 522	Posted - 2013.09.05 15:06:00 - [49] - Quote Beyond Creation wrote: OZAROW wrote: 2 complex profile dampeners reduce the db to 15, the proto scanner is 15 db which mean a mini scout will never get under it now and a gallente scout needs to use 3 low slots to get under it. The proto scanner is actually 18 db The duv is 15, I believe it's the bottom scanner in the market unless I was reading it wrong but I'm almost positive it's 15 at least one of them is most of the rest are 28 I believe
Beyond Creation The Pyramid Order The Nova Foundry 7	Posted - 2013.09.05 15:38:00 - [50] - Quote Go in the market and look. Its 18 db. So if max dampening is 17 you can just get under it.

ZiwZih Seraphim Initiative.. 248	Posted - 2013.09.05 15:40:00 - [51] - Quote Signed.
Crow Splat DUST University Ivy League 124	Posted - 2013.09.05 15:41:00 - [52] - Quote Those look like the numbers I got too OZ. As it is right now the minmitar can't beat the best resolution scanner. You need Gallente for that. AFAIK the Gallente scout and Gallente Logi with max skills is the only way to become unscannable right now. I agree that the logi needs an adjustment for sure. I think that if you're going to give Minmitar scouts the ability to beat all scanners then you are going to have to give Gallente an extra high slot or something. Right now it's one of 2 things that we can do better than our Minmitar cousins and both of those are questionable when you account for what we give up.
Rich o United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 69	Posted - 2013.09.05 15:43:00 - [53] - Quote signed
Crow Splat DUST University Ivy League 124	Posted - 2013.09.05 15:43:00 - [54] - Quote Beyond Creation wrote: Go in the market and look. Its 18 db. So if max dampening is 17 you can just get under it. Duvolle Focused Active Scanner 15 db Im looking at it right now.
Pje251296 KILL ORDERS 123	Posted - 2013.09.05 15:49:00 - [55] - Quote Signed.
Sjem'Tolk Mercenaries On Duty 19	Posted - 2013.09.05 15:55:00 - [56] - Quote Signed!!! I do hope that the dev's do something, as I only want to be a scout, and it is too hard to be any good for the team, or squad, the way it is now.
Zendeal Horizons' Edge Orion Empire 22	Posted - 2013.09.05 15:55:00 - [57] - Quote I put in my vote. I would love to have my scout be more than paper in the wind. After 1.4 with the better hit detection I just get shredded in any sort of combat...not to mention how bad the shotgun still is. I know they fixed it from its broken state as a result of the patch... but autoaim does not benifit the SG and the improved hit detection for all weapons means I have almost 0 reaction time when im taking fire. I sorta gave up and dumped all my free SP into Min. Logi, Complex damage mods and AR's. It's pretty defeating when I love a broken playstyle and struggled through multiple patches with no improvements. After dumping my SP into something that everyone has constantly been complaining about (Assault Logis, ridiculous EHP from dual tanking and damage modded ARs) it dimishes my hope in the future of this game as this build just completely shreds anything in all combat situations leaving the impression that despite the wealth of customization options, there is really only 1 or 2 pathways that are viable if you want to be a valuable asset on the battlefield.
OZAROW WarRavens League of Infamy 531	Posted - 2013.09.05 16:00:00 - [58] - Quote Crow Splat wrote: Beyond Creation wrote: Go in the market and look. Its 18 db. So if max dampening is 17 you can just get under it. Duvolle Focused Active Scanner 15 db Im looking at it right now. Thank you I thought I was right, this means scouts need a fix ASAP , last thing we need is 600 HP ghost logis with shotguns
Mejt0 D3LTA ACADEMY Inver Brass 3	Posted - 2013.09.05 16:04:00 - [59] - Quote Im not a scoct I dont play scout, but i agree with you (topic author). Scouts now are some kind weak, low pg/cpu ehp etc. And aim assist is totaly rip for most of them. Id like to see scout you want. Scout with scanner and uplink rest of things. And they should give some hack bonus in racial or smth like this.
ANGRY HEAVY Ill Omens 1	Posted - 2013.09.05 16:04:00 - [60] - Quote signed



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