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Poonmunch Sanguis Defense Syndicate 250	Posted - 2013.09.03 14:21:00 - [31] - Quote I read someplace that CCP said the new version would be "rubber band proof". This is depressing. If it is true, I hope they can hotfix it soon. Why can't they just make sitting in the MCC a reason to get 0 WP? Or sitting on the ground doing nothing? Munch
CommanderBolt A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 226	Posted - 2013.09.03 14:29:00 - [32] - Quote Ok I am testing this out now. The blue dots are angry, punching me in the back haha. - I have been afk-ing for 4 mins now and my rubber band just popped off. - 6mins in to the match and I discovered a much better place to have the band. - match is 3/4 of the way through, still here and rubber band is holding nicely. - The match ended. AFK is not fixed.
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1007	Posted - 2013.09.03 14:43:00 - [33] - Quote We told you months ago that you shouldn't waste your time with this "fix" and what do you do... It's time to make this game fun. That's the best solution to fixing AFK, but I know you can't do that, the past year has shown that. I guess the only thing you can do then is to not give SP for just being in a match.
Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz Public Disorder. 369	Posted - 2013.09.03 15:02:00 - [34] - Quote Yes let the spawn directly below the MCC so that they will get raped by the red-liners
pseudosnipre DUST University Ivy League 142	Posted - 2013.09.03 15:05:00 - [35] - Quote idea jam a dime between stick and housing
Beren Hurin The Vanguardians 1353	Posted - 2013.09.03 15:08:00 - [36] - Quote xAckie wrote: semperfi1999 wrote: xAckie wrote: KingBabar wrote: Or they could simply do what should have been done from the start; no XP for merely partisipating in a round. And by that I mean that we shouldn't get XP based on the time spent ingame. It should solely be given based on WP earned, making the more active players benefit rather than all the camping sobs I see every game. Wanna stay at the redline taking potshots with that sniper? Go ahead, but you'd better be a crack shot to get a decent amount of XP out of it.... have sympathy with this view - but then everyone would run logis (as many do now for WP). A WP fit: nanos/ reps/ injector - and coming soon scanning - quickest and easiest way to make WP. No need to play objectives or anything. WP need a general rethink But is this really a problem for pubs? Who cares if people run fits to boost their WP if they are attempting to hit their SP cap? I have said it before and I will keep saying it. AFKing problem as Babar said will never be fixed until they remove the SP per second in game and make it a SP per WP. If you make it such that you get 5-10 SP per WP then you will stop seeing people constantly AFKing and you will see more participation in capturing objectives and hives/links/etc. I agree. But they cant just get rid of in game SP without reworking WP. if you go 20-0 you get 1000 WP If you follow and rep a heavy all game you can go 3000 WP - adding nothing to the team. the WP are all out fo whack yes its pubs. Its where people play to hit the cap. You don't know how logis work do you? That would be at least 4000 HP that would have been healed, and since triage has a cooldown after around 150-200 HP healed that likely means that you healed more. That means that if he followed ONE heavy around this entire time, he healed him 24 separate times for the full cooldown amount. That's 23 engagements that he was able to return to in full health. You cannot say that that logi is doing nothing.
Beren Hurin The Vanguardians 1355	Posted - 2013.09.03 15:09:00 - [37] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Ok I am testing this out now. The blue dots are angry, punching me in the back haha. - I have been afk-ing for 4 mins now and my rubber band just popped off. - 6mins in to the match and I discovered a much better place to have the band. - match is 3/4 of the way through, still here and rubber band is holding nicely. - The match ended. AFK is not fixed. You still got SP?
Booker DaFooker Seraphim Auxiliaries 91	Posted - 2013.09.03 15:14:00 - [38] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: Ok I am testing this out now. The blue dots are angry, punching me in the back haha. - I have been afk-ing for 4 mins now and my rubber band just popped off. - 6mins in to the match and I discovered a much better place to have the band. - match is 3/4 of the way through, still here and rubber band is holding nicely. - The match ended. AFK is not fixed. You still got SP? I have tested, no SP given for rubber banding in MCC tried rotation instead of running and got kicked
CommanderBolt A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 227	Posted - 2013.09.03 15:14:00 - [39] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: Ok I am testing this out now. The blue dots are angry, punching me in the back haha. - I have been afk-ing for 4 mins now and my rubber band just popped off. - 6mins in to the match and I discovered a much better place to have the band. - match is 3/4 of the way through, still here and rubber band is holding nicely. - The match ended. AFK is not fixed. You still got SP? I didnt check.
xAckie Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 301	Posted - 2013.09.03 15:26:00 - [40] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: xAckie wrote: semperfi1999 wrote: xAckie wrote: KingBabar wrote: Or they could simply do what should have been done from the start; no XP for merely partisipating in a round. And by that I mean that we shouldn't get XP based on the time spent ingame. It should solely be given based on WP earned, making the more active players benefit rather than all the camping sobs I see every game. Wanna stay at the redline taking potshots with that sniper? Go ahead, but you'd better be a crack shot to get a decent amount of XP out of it.... have sympathy with this view - but then everyone would run logis (as many do now for WP). A WP fit: nanos/ reps/ injector - and coming soon scanning - quickest and easiest way to make WP. No need to play objectives or anything. WP need a general rethink But is this really a problem for pubs? Who cares if people run fits to boost their WP if they are attempting to hit their SP cap? I have said it before and I will keep saying it. AFKing problem as Babar said will never be fixed until they remove the SP per second in game and make it a SP per WP. If you make it such that you get 5-10 SP per WP then you will stop seeing people constantly AFKing and you will see more participation in capturing objectives and hives/links/etc. I agree. But they cant just get rid of in game SP without reworking WP. if you go 20-0 you get 1000 WP If you follow and rep a heavy all game you can go 3000 WP - adding nothing to the team. the WP are all out fo whack yes its pubs. Its where people play to hit the cap. You don't know how logis work do you? That would be at least 4000 HP that would have been healed, and since triage has a cooldown after around 150-200 HP healed that likely means that you healed more. That means that if he followed ONE heavy around this entire time, he healed him 24 separate times for the full cooldown amount. That's 23 engagements that he was able to return to in full health. You cannot say that that logi is doing nothing. I have a logi character - I can WP farm with it. The 3000 was a guesstimate. The fact is logis are able to get WP from a number of sources unlike other suits. And I can say a logi did nothing in that engagement because they didnt. Solely healing and following a heavy around adds zero to a teams performance. You are taking out a player to circle hold.

xAckie Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 301	Posted - 2013.09.03 15:32:00 - [41] - Quote CCP just for science, I tried this AFK is still working in a skirmish, I got 85.970 ISK 5,068 SP
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 664	Posted - 2013.09.03 15:38:00 - [42] - Quote FFS I've never seen more than 2 people AFK at a time. On rare occasion while we are getting pub stomped I've seen up to 5. AFK camping is a nuisance but I've only rarely seen it ruin a match.
Vrain Matari ZionTCD 772	Posted - 2013.09.03 15:38:00 - [43] - Quote Sounds like peeps are having different experiences with the anti-AFK measures. That is encouraging, indicates that patch-day teething may have something to do with it.
Booker DaFooker Seraphim Auxiliaries 91	Posted - 2013.09.03 18:21:00 - [44] - Quote xAckie wrote: CCP just for science, I tried this AFK is still working in a skirmish, I got 85.970 ISK 5,068 SP Can I ask what you did while AFKing?
Smooth Assassin Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 111	Posted - 2013.09.03 18:26:00 - [45] - Quote Yagihige wrote: CCP should've made sprint a required action. 10 small tight rubberbands
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1013	Posted - 2013.09.03 19:17:00 - [46] - Quote Booker DaFooker wrote: xAckie wrote: CCP just for science, I tried this AFK is still working in a skirmish, I got 85.970 ISK 5,068 SP Can I ask what you did while AFKing? A simple rubberband so that you walk into the MCC walls will suffice.
Roofer Madness A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 180	Posted - 2013.09.03 19:21:00 - [47] - Quote I tried the rubber band thing (purely for scientific purposes) and I can say I was kicked from the game when I only rubber banded the left analog stick. When I redid the rubber band on both sticks AFKing works just like it did before. Except now everyone will be spinning in circles in the MCC.
GTA V FTW Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 55	Posted - 2013.09.03 19:23:00 - [48] - Quote Roofer Madness wrote: I tried the rubber band thing (purely for scientific purposes) and I can say I was kicked from the game when I only rubber banded the left analog stick. When I redid the rubber band on both sticks AFKing works just like it did before. Except now everyone will be spinning in circles in the MCC. Did you get SP's?
Roofer Madness A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 180	Posted - 2013.09.03 19:24:00 - [49] - Quote I'm already capped but I got ISK.
GTA V FTW Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 55	Posted - 2013.09.03 19:25:00 - [50] - Quote Roofer Madness wrote: I'm already capped but I got ISK. Sp's or it wasn't true.

Roofer Madness A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 180	Posted - 2013.09.03 19:27:00 - [51] - Quote lol. I'm sure if it gave me ISK then I would have received SP. I am trying it on an ALT and the match is almost over. I will report back.
Roofer Madness A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 181	Posted - 2013.09.03 19:29:00 - [52] - Quote OK. Match over. A few things. I unchecked Ambush. Got an Ambush OMS. Whatever. I ran off to a quiet corner and proceeded to spin in circles rubberbanded. I recieved 3,424 Sp and 180,364 ISK. For absolutely nothing.... I should add that I've never AFKed for SP. I AFK on my alt purely to pay for my derpship habit. edit: I guess AFKing is still not going to maximize SP gains from the event. I did absolutely nothing and still went over the 3000 max by 424.
Torr Wrath Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 890	Posted - 2013.09.03 19:30:00 - [53] - Quote Relevant Quotes.. CCP Logibro wrote: Hey guys, I'll try to get some more hard details on the AFK system for you. But as far as Rubber bands go, I've been told it's pretty rubber band proof (and if you do find the right arrangement to make them work, please tell us via support ticket so we can fix it.) Source CCP Greyscale wrote: AFK detection: - You get a warning at 90s and kicked at 180s of inactivity; these values may be tuned down the road - Infantry activity: move OR fire - Vehicle activity: move OR fire - Non-driver turret activity (includes installations): pitch/yaw OR fire - Passive vehicle seat activity: counts as active whenever drive is active Obviously this isn't going to be perfect, but it should significantly cut down on incidences of AFKing. If it doesn't have a noticeable impact we'll re-evaluate. Source So dont worry guys this antiafk measure is totally afk proof because ccp said so (im sorry logibro, your a swell dev and all, but you fell subject to the CCP silliness bug :P)
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 3605	Posted - 2013.09.03 19:32:00 - [54] - Quote Hexen Trickster wrote: Good for you, endorsing something that kills the community Next update they remove the mcc walls and replace them shields meaning people walk out and fall to there deaths CCP is doing a fine job at "killing the community" already. It all started with Uprising
Roofer Madness A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 181	Posted - 2013.09.03 19:35:00 - [55] - Quote Torr Wrath wrote: Relevant Quotes.. CCP Logibro wrote: Hey guys, I'll try to get some more hard details on the AFK system for you. But as far as Rubber bands go, I've been told it's pretty rubber band proof (and if you do find the right arrangement to make them work, please tell us via support ticket so we can fix it.) Source CCP Greyscale wrote: AFK detection: - You get a warning at 90s and kicked at 180s of inactivity; these values may be tuned down the road - Infantry activity: move OR fire - Vehicle activity: move OR fire - Non-driver turret activity (includes installations): pitch/yaw OR fire - Passive vehicle seat activity: counts as active whenever drive is active Obviously this isn't going to be perfect, but it should significantly cut down on incidences of AFKing. If it doesn't have a noticeable impact we'll re-evaluate. Source So dont worry guys this antiafk measure is totally afk proof because ccp said so (im sorry logibro, your a swell dev and all, but you fell subject to the CCP silliness bug :P) Just earlier while testing I got kicked. There is no warning. Just back in MQ all of a sudden.
Torr Wrath Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 890	Posted - 2013.09.03 19:37:00 - [56] - Quote Roofer Madness wrote: Just earlier while testing I got kicked. There is no warning. Just back in MQ all of a sudden. Huh, I found it worked for me without issue. You may need to upgrade your rubber band. Are you using an advanced or prototype version?
GTA V FTW Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 57	Posted - 2013.09.03 19:38:00 - [57] - Quote Roofer Madness wrote: Torr Wrath wrote: Relevant Quotes.. CCP Logibro wrote: Hey guys, I'll try to get some more hard details on the AFK system for you. But as far as Rubber bands go, I've been told it's pretty rubber band proof (and if you do find the right arrangement to make them work, please tell us via support ticket so we can fix it.) Source CCP Greyscale wrote: AFK detection: - You get a warning at 90s and kicked at 180s of inactivity; these values may be tuned down the road - Infantry activity: move OR fire - Vehicle activity: move OR fire - Non-driver turret activity (includes installations): pitch/yaw OR fire - Passive vehicle seat activity: counts as active whenever drive is active Obviously this isn't going to be perfect, but it should significantly cut down on incidences of AFKing. If it doesn't have a noticeable impact we'll re-evaluate. Source So dont worry guys this antiafk measure is totally afk proof because ccp said so (im sorry logibro, your a swell dev and all, but you fell subject to the CCP silliness bug :P) Just earlier while testing I got kicked. There is no warning. Just back in MQ all of a sudden. So it works just not 100% of the time?
Roofer Madness A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 181	Posted - 2013.09.03 19:40:00 - [58] - Quote No, sorry let me clarify. The first attempt with only the left analog failed. And I was given no warning. So far having both analogs rubber banded seems to work fine. Quote: AFK detection: - You get a warning at 90s and kicked at 180s of inactivity; these values may be tuned down the road Oh, and I am using Wolfman's Officer Rubber Band, so I know that was not the issue.
crazy space 1 Unkn0wn Killers 1595	Posted - 2013.09.03 19:41:00 - [59] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: ... If you're standing still at least. A simple rubberband to make you walk into the MCC walls will easily circumvent this so called "fix". Tested and confirmed! WHAT!!! I thought they said the fix was no skill points over time for being in the red zone AT ALL Promoting the holding of and use of respawn points on the battlefield. Since re spawning in the redzone would cause you to lose 20 seconds of your free SP as you ran back into the battle zone. Also, didn't they said any kills you got while you are in the redzone would give 0 SP. It seemed like a simple straight forward logical fix and then... dun dun dun.... PATCH DAY!!!!
Torr Wrath Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 894	Posted - 2013.09.03 19:43:00 - [60] - Quote Roofer Madness wrote: No, sorry let me clarify. The first attempt with only the left analog failed. And I was given no warning. So far having both analogs rubber banded seems to work fine. Quote: AFK detection: - You get a warning at 90s and kicked at 180s of inactivity; these values may be tuned down the road Hmm.. thats odd, my testing worked 100% of the time so far with just the left analog. Perhaps there are other variables?



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