Read the forums they sure as hell complain about the forge!!

It's also the imbalance between explosives bonus to armour compared to other weapons bonus to shield ... coupled with armour bonused weapons being mostly AoE ... and on top of that Armour being gimped compared to shields for so long anyway.

On top of all that ... some "scrub" that can't aim properly can spend point in a weapon that will 2-3 shot (with damage mods probably) anything armour tanked in what ? about a second provided he can land those shots within 9 meters !!! of his target.

There's undeniably something 'easy-mode' about that.

Your an idiot. Of course they complain. But when they don't complain about them, they complain about the Mass Drivers. Elaborated enough?

You are so god dam stupid it hurts. AMDs do like 150 damage on splash, even with mods that like 160 damage. 2 or 3 shotting? LOL, more like 12 shots to kill.

You are so god dam stupid it hurts. AMDs do like 150 damage on splash, even with mods that like 160 damage. 2 or 3 shotting? LOL, more like 12 shots to kill.

You are so god dam stupid it hurts. AMDs do like 150 damage on splash, even with mods that like 160 damage. 2 or 3 shotting? LOL, more like 12 shots to kill.

Multiple of any weapon on one target or area is vicious. Two ARs on a single assault will shred it instantaneously. Let's not get bent out of shape because people are working together to focus fire.

You are so god dam stupid it hurts. AMDs do like 150 damage on splash, even with mods that like 160 damage. 2 or 3 shotting? LOL, more like 12 shots to kill.

If you have 5 ARs, you can focus fire a couple of targets at a time and shred them quickly.
If you have 5 MDs, you can saturation-bomb and area and kill 5+ enemies in the time the ARs took to kill 2.


I don't know... I'm pretty sure it only takes 2 MD splash hits to kill my Scout.

+1 this exactly. And Mossellia just assumed everyone was Assault. But even then it's less than 12 shots unless fully tanked proto.

I run a scout and it takes one seconds of AR fire to kill me, how about we nerf ARs since they are the OP weapon.

MD finally works in 1.3 and AR users ***** and complain constantly when they are the ones using the OP weapon.

Scouts need a buff. And my idea will make it balanced against scouts because scouts run fast and if the splash damage just splashes them by the edge of the radius or a little less, no worries. Direct damage and near direct is what you should be worried about.

Then the problem arises on Assault Massdrivers where they can get up over 9 meters in splash damage. How do you gradiant something like that.

Massdrivers shouldnt be touched till the Gal AR gets a major range reduction. They are suppost to be short range Assault rifles yet they have a greater range then medium - long range scrambler rifles.

Are you ********? GO look at the stats again, splash radius is 6.6m. Do your research before you whine.

Then the problem arises on Assault Massdrivers where they can get up over 9 meters in splash damage. How do you gradiant something like that.

Massdrivers shouldnt be touched till the Gal AR gets a major range reduction. They are suppost to be short range Assault rifles yet they have a greater range then medium - long range scrambler rifles.

It's interesting, but when you compare the DPS of the MD to say, an AR, it is nowhere close.

(not considering any skills that may increase damage etc)

Duvolle AR - 467.5 DPS
Freedom MD - 127.6 DPS for splash, and 266.2 DPS for direct hits.


An AR can wipe somebody out about 1.8 times faster than if the MD was scoring 100% direct hits. And if we consider splash only damage from the MD, the proto AR can take somebody out roughly 3.7 times faster.


I think once we get aim assist back in 1.4, the MD won't be able to do as well in CQC vs any fully auto weapons (or even the shotgun).

DPS coparision between a direct hit and a spash weapon is strange as the DPS of a MD can surpass the DPS of an AR easily if you hit multiple targets and with 6 to 9 m splash radius its more likely to hit multiple targets.

Imho DPS is more important for automatic weapons, for singleshot weapons the Alpha damage is more important and 266 isn't all that bad (although alpha could be a bit higher for less spash damage [b]or[/b ]radius)

15 m arming timer for the projectiles would probably fix it. But it would need something to compensate for that. Maybe a small reduction in drop and increase in projectile speed would do?

Implying dps means anything with half the guns in Dust. Remember people though the flaylock and tac ars were fine as they were. The only people defending the mds are people afraid of losing their crutches just like the tac ar users.

No the md is also a short range breaching weapon, your just killing it!! An arming distance will cause more problems then it solves, people will use it like a shotgun cqc. 15m is too much and anything lower is not enough, this is a primary weapon you cant just impose a dead zone!!