As a Gallente Scout, sniping, not being able to share enemy positions passively will just be another nail in the coffin of the Gallente Scout suit.

Even though they are saying that the active scan will work, it will work for anyone - except a Gallente Scout who is sniping, as there is only one equipment slot. That slot I have used for a good nanohive because you can waste a lot of your ammo.

PLEASE CCP... at least allow the Gallente Scout Proto dropsuit to have the ability to share passive scanning of enemy positions to their teammates.

It bad enough that negatives far exceed positives for the Gallente Scout Dropsuits - and to have this change add another negative to the list.

Snipers should be allowed to share units viewed only down the scope as if they have a highly directional scanner!!

Snipers should be allowed to share units viewed only down the scope as if they have a highly directional scanner!!

new
Squad mate:orby
Squad lead: ok orby ready where should I put it , cant see what you see
Squad mate: put it next to the supply depot by the guy with the thing theres a bunch there!
too late 0 kills
eve pilot: You dumbledorfs! What are you doing down there!? This ammo is not cheap!

It does not just effect your scout suit , it effects the entire game:
I'm not to happy about it either, but I will try to roll with the punches, maybe it will as has been stated , make the actives more useful.

old
Sniper: Where is the enemy sniper located?
Assault: See the orange highlight , hes right there get him.

new
Sniper: Where is this friggen guy?
Assault: somewhere on there red line , f it ill go get him , boof headshot dead

old
Squad mate: Orby!
Squad lead: Oh ya I see a bunch (squad mates highlight) let me put it there!
60,60,60,60,60,60,60

new
Squad mate:orby
Squad lead: ok orby ready where should I put it , cant see what you see
Squad mate: put it next to the supply depot by the guy with the thing theres a bunch there!
too late 0 kills
eve pilot: You dumbledorfs! What are you doing down there!? This ammo is not cheap!

Lol... Gallente Scout Sniper.... Easy kill....

Anyway, there's a solution to the problem and it's called the Active Scanner - it's OP as hell when you get to Prototype, got a long winded explanation here:

http://blindmanmoon.blogspot.com/2013/08/perfecting-roles-active-scanners.html

But the important bit is that there's an Proto Active Scanner that has a scan area of 20,000m (20km) and the only way to get past it is using a Scout suit with all skills level 5 and profile dampeners.

I've been advocating that it get knocked down a notch just because it's massive scan range... it doesn't really need to be powerful enough to pick up scouts. That's not it's job. There's other prototype scanners that should be used for that and it completely kills the 'stealth' aspect of scouts.

Anyway - another thing I've been advocating for is a module that -acts- like an active scanner that reveals troop positions when you aim directly at them. Not near them, like we have now. What we have now is a bit ridiculous and doesn't take into account the scan radius associated with the dropsuit you're using, but whats on your screen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2nu8C7dIQg

That, imo, definitely needs to go. There's too much reliance on the electronics aspect of the game and less on teamwork and what your eyes are actually telling you. The module I was referring to in the last paragraph would allow for Snipers to relay information to TacNet which is where it's most important.

On the other hand, you could just get on teamchat and relay it personally.

As a Gallente Scout, sniping, not being able to share enemy positions passively will just be another nail in the coffin of the Gallente Scout suit.

Even though they are saying that the active scan will work, it will work for anyone - except a Gallente Scout who is sniping, as there is only one equipment slot. That slot I have used for a good nanohive because you can waste a lot of your ammo.

PLEASE CCP... at least allow the Gallente Scout Proto dropsuit to have the ability to share passive scanning of enemy positions to their teammates.

It bad enough that negatives far exceed positives for the Gallente Scout Dropsuits - and to have this change add another negative to the list.

No, it is a deterent for sniping, but will help out scouts that are behind enemy lines and moving. As a sniper, you should be actively calling out your targets to your team - not just lighting them up, so to speak. Also, join a squad - they will still be able to see you, and you will end up being more helpful by contributing your WP to OB's for killing more people.

What will happen is that this will force snipers to move with their squad - heresy I know.

Note: I enjoy sniping.

Pleas enlighten me as to how it is a deterrent.

Furthermore, I do squad up, and I do call things out, but that only helps your squad, and not the overall team and the team needs to know to help win the match.

As far as "moving with their squad," depends on the map and many other factors. There are times, where camping in the middle redline area you can cover more and see more, then other times camping on a rooftop will provide more support.

Your comment "moving with their squad," is the same as saying that all tanks should be out front all the time.

There is no single situation where any single claim holds true. Making something sound as if it is a matter of fact, when there are too many variables to each situation shows closed mindedness IMHO.

I still stand by my comment that not having the ability to passively share enemy positions to team mates is a nail; it's not the only nail, as it takes many nails to hold a wood coffin closed - as you may know, Zombies do escape coffins that aren't properly seal ;)

You do realise that you still get shared vision with your squad, right? So, run with a full squad and you'll be fine. Soloing is going to become pretty much impossible in 1.4.

Actually tactical ammunition is cheap. The reason why they removed passive scans is to make active scanners more important. You will still see your enemies. You just need somebody on your team who scanned them first. But I guess this will only take off with 1.5 when we finally get warpoints for scanning. I for one will use a scanner in 1.5

First, you are assuming all scouts are snipers. This is not correct, and you need to consider the implications of a change like this to someone who runs a Scout for non-sniping roles.

It is a deterent to snipers (not scouts) because of the reason you say - it takes intel away from the sniper. On the other hand, it is an incentive to scouts who are not snipers - it lets them operate behind enemy lines more effectively. If one person sees them, there is no promise now that others won't see him. Once this change goes into effect, Scouts running behind enemy lines that are spotted will only need to worry about the possiblity of 5 addtiional people seeing him, instead of 15 more.

"Moving with your squad" means keeping them in your line of sight at all times. If you can do this from one position - great (though silly as it leaves you vulnerable). It does not mean being in the thick of the battle side by side with the Sentinel and Assautt suits.

Another comment - a lot of time people are on comms in public matches - you can call out the targets to them too - they don't have to be in your squad. The reason that this is a deterrent is that the snipers will have fewer targets themselves - this is a two road street, and people who snipe to get easy kills (not saying you are one, but there are those out there - we've all seen them) instead of helping the team will find the battle more boring when they can't see targets that are not in line of sight with their squad mates (assuming these snipers are in a squad to start).

I guess my point here is this: Dust514 is a team game that requires communication. These changes just put a higher emphasis on that communication, and thereby make it more challenging. I'd rather have a challenging game, than a boring one, any day of the week. I like these changes - the good snipers won't be impacted; the team players will be more focused on helping the squad albeit in a more challenging role, and the bad snipers will be minimized.

Spotter scopes and passive scanner team relay modules.

This feature will balance the game so much you don't even know.

No more zerg rushing the red chevron because the whole team can see him when one lone blueberry spots him
No more knowing immediately where a tank or sniper is
Being able to hide from enemies for once, with the ability to choose who you want to be detected by.
Active scanners are useful now...

Not to mention matchmaking will let us play with experienced players, and not just a bunch of random noob blueberries, so you won't have to keep asking yourself why is no one around helping you.

As a sniper you need to get in a squad with players and relay messages to your team. The most helpful snipers I've been with are those that stay above the squad in the city and tell me when red dots are close by, helping me finish them off, or at least weaken them for me. You don't need an active scanner for that, let the logistics do that work, just tell them where to aim the scanner.

Problem as I see it, is that there is no practical alternative way to provide details about what's going on. There's no coordinate system ("LAV at B13"). No highlight system ("let me laze it"). No high variety of distinguishing features ("Sniper behind the hill with two trees"). Heck, even the compass isnt very usefull.

Our military today can provide greater target information. Shame we seem to be in the bell-bottom relapse on this particular technology.

Agree with this. Why do we have a coordinate system to provide feedback on maps but no coordinate system actually in game? That's always been a tactic killer for me. Seriously just put this into the maps overview already.

Plus fix the compass by adding in ESW to all four sides. At least then you could say "south-east of my position" without having to aim North to get your bearings.

Also we kind of have laser targeting, issue being it is the attack command and only usable by squad leader. I think all squad members should be able to do this albeit a different color from the leader's order, that'll go a long way towards showing where that tank/squad is rather than just yelling "over there."

I actually am happy with the loss of enemy shared vision, the active scanner was near useless otherwise. So now CQC scouting becomes much more important and it gives scouts (a not yet rewarding) role near the forward force.

What I don't like is that we are losing the vision of our actual teammates, meaning if everyone is trenching over at objective A, it would give you an idea where the enemy was and give other squads info on what is needed (defend or open another front), as it stands only your squad mates will have arrows

Problem as I see it, is that there is no practical alternative way to provide details about what's going on.

Yesh , I was just trying to liven it up a little.

Active scanners. If nobody in your team uses one then that's tough luck. I for one changed my repair tool with an active scanner for the patch.

Minmatar Logi with 4 equipment slots got a stealth buff that way, because active scanners aren't as useless anymore.

I actually am happy with the loss of enemy shared vision, the active scanner was near useless otherwise. So now CQC scouting becomes much more important and it gives scouts (a not yet rewarding) role near the forward force.

What I don't like is that we are losing the vision of our actual teammates, meaning if everyone is trenching over at objective A, it would give you an idea where the enemy was and give other squads info on what is needed (defend or open another front), as it stands only your squad mates will have arrows