DUST Search - [Request] A titan-like vehicle for dust

Evolution-7 wrote:

Just like in Eve Online, you have 4 massive ships that take quite long to build and gather the isk for. I am thinking a large vehicle (aerial class) about maybe 100-250 metres in size and this will only be allowed in large maps. I am guessing this would come after all other aerial vehicles especially fighters, because they will need to help intercept and engage.

This vehicle will be extremely slow, half the speed of a tank and it can't hide, like tanks can or dropships in time. If the "titan" wants to survive it needs dedicated logi's and aerial support, infantry can run faster than the "titan".

I am guessing that this vehicle must have a base hp high enough, require logi-ships and its own reppers to survive.

These ships, should also be able to hold a capacity of around 20-30 players (passengers), who stand in the bay ready to drop when the pilot says.

Hull for each faction:
10-12 large turret.
5-6 medium turrets (once they are implemented)

HP:

Gallente: 5% bonus to hybrid turrets per level
20 000 Shields
100 000 Armour

Caldari: 5% bonus to missile turrets per level
100 000 Shields
20 000 Armour

Amarr: 5% bonus to energy based turrets per level
40 000 Shields
80 000 Armour

Minmatar: 5% bonus to projectile turrets per level
80 000 Shields
40 000 Armour

I am guessing that with amount of HP, these will have to have built in mega reps (with a higher rep ability per pulse for its prominent method of tanking) e.g.

- Gallente (armour tanking) 4000hp for armour 500hp for shield
- Caldari (shield tanking) 4000hp for shield and 500 hp for armour
- Amarr (armour tanking) 3000hp for armour 1500hp for shield
- Minmatar (shield tanking) 3000hp for shield and 1500 hp for armour

These would require a small amount of spider tanking going on in heavy engagements.

I have always thought that one of these titans-types for dust would be awesome.

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Evolution-7 the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY 38	Posted - 2013.09.01 10:25:00 - [1] - Quote Just like in Eve Online, you have 4 massive ships that take quite long to build and gather the isk for. I am thinking a large vehicle (aerial class) about maybe 100-250 metres in size and this will only be allowed in large maps. I am guessing this would come after all other aerial vehicles especially fighters, because they will need to help intercept and engage. I am guessing that this vehicle must have a base hp high enough, require logi-ships and its own reppers to survive. These ships, should also be able to hold a capacity of around 20-30 players (passengers), who stand in the bay ready to drop when the pilot says. Hull for each faction: 10-12 large turret. 5-6 medium turrets (once they are implemented) HP: Gallente: 5% bonus to hybrid turrets per level 20 000 Shields 100 000 Armour Caldari: 5% bonus to missile turrets per level 100 000 Shields 20 000 Armour Amarr: 5% bonus to energy based turrets per level 40 000 Shields 80 000 Armour Minmatar: 5% bonus to projectile turrets per level 80 000 Shields 40 000 Armour I am guessing that with amount of HP, these will have to have built in mega reps (with a higher rep ability per pulse for its prominent method of tanking) e.g. - Gallente (armour tanking) 4000hp for armour 500hp for shield - Caldari (shield tanking) 4000hp for shield and 500 hp for armour - Amarr (armour tanking) 3000hp for armour 1500hp for shield - Minmatar (shield tanking) 3000hp for shield and 1500 hp for armour These would require a small amount of spider tanking going on in heavy engagements. I have always thought that one of these titans-types for dust would be awesome.
Vell0cet Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 78	Posted - 2013.09.01 12:30:00 - [2] - Quote They already have these, they're called battleships. Download EVE and give it a try.
darkiller240 K-A-O-S theory 150	Posted - 2013.09.01 12:39:00 - [3] - Quote sry to say it but OP
Evolution-7 the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY 51	Posted - 2013.09.01 13:20:00 - [4] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: They already have these, they're called battleships. Download EVE and give it a try. This is for Dust if you didn't know.
Evolution-7 the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY 51	Posted - 2013.09.01 13:21:00 - [5] - Quote darkiller240 wrote: sry to say it but OP op?, 2000 rep a pulse 10 pulses? are you kidding me, without logi support this thing crash and burn. As for op, are you blind? I said after all other aerial vehicles. OP is all you people say and as a result, there is never new content.
SGT Garrisson T.R.I.A.D 68	Posted - 2013.09.01 13:23:00 - [6] - Quote wont happen too op come 100k armor 20k shields that would take a full team or AV 15-20 mins to kill and a slim change to kill it if its fully manned nothing like a instant win button
Evolution-7 the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY 51	Posted - 2013.09.01 13:26:00 - [7] - Quote SGT Garrisson wrote: wont happen too op come 100k armor 20k shields that would take a full team or AV 15-20 mins to kill and a slim change to kill it if its fully manned nothing like a instant win button Please don't post here..... please just go away. Its not worthy explaining shite to people like you. A single tank can take on a 7200 HP Bolas without overheating, I'm saying this is a idea for the future. 10000HP tanks can get molested by 1 av'er so please so say its op. These will be required for domination on full scale large maps, with large players on each side, of bloody course there will need to be dedicated AV.
Vell0cet Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 79	Posted - 2013.09.01 14:39:00 - [8] - Quote If CCP was going to implement some crazy-expensive hardcore vehicles, then having a massive ground-vehicle/walker on the scale of an AT-AT would be more fitting to DUST than a ship that takes up the whole skybox.
Meeko Fent Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 763	Posted - 2013.09.01 17:04:00 - [9] - Quote And people thought marauders were OP... Dude, WW1 is over. We don't need a moving barn with guns on it, lets get something smart, like a normal tank with a emphasis on self tank, or spider tanking. Unneeded.
Evolution-7 the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY 55	Posted - 2013.09.01 17:15:00 - [10] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: And people thought marauders were OP... Dude, WW1 is over. We don't need a moving barn with guns on it, lets get something smart, like a normal tank with a emphasis on self tank, or spider tanking. Unneeded. If not 100-200 metres on a 5km+ map, what? The MCC is a floating Zeppelin. The lowest it should be is 10-30 metres. Marauders are not OP, and this post was never intent on trying to whisper that. So you want more tanks? Go ahead and add to the boring ground gameplay that lacks skill. I'd like to see you fly a dropship.

Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 2912	Posted - 2013.09.01 17:17:00 - [11] - Quote Titans were rather bad for EVE, you know. Also, this is hopelessly overpowered. Raw ISK cost isn't a balancing factor when you bring in uber powerful things.
Evolution-7 the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY 55	Posted - 2013.09.01 17:21:00 - [12] - Quote Well, this is just a suggestion, they may take up this idea and work on it, as I said, this a dead ship if left unsupported. It will be under constant fire because of its size, fighters, heavy aerial vehicles, assault dropships.
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 434	Posted - 2013.09.01 17:31:00 - [13] - Quote We already have our Titans; we just don't have the keys yet.This idea is OP as hell, so no.
Evolution-7 the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY 55	Posted - 2013.09.01 18:12:00 - [14] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: We already have our Titans; we just don't have the keys yet.This idea is OP as hell, so no. Why don't you ******* go right ahead and say every damn thing is OP, rotten community, OP OP OP OP OP OP. Why can't you people just read everything I wrote!
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 3395	Posted - 2013.09.01 18:37:00 - [15] - Quote Evolution-7 wrote: Just like in Eve Online, you have 4 massive ships that take quite long to build and gather the isk for. I am thinking a large vehicle (aerial class) about maybe 100-250 metres in size and this will only be allowed in large maps. I am guessing this would come after all other aerial vehicles especially fighters, because they will need to help intercept and engage. This vehicle will be extremely slow, half the speed of a tank and it can't hide, like tanks can or dropships in time. If the "titan" wants to survive it needs dedicated logi's and aerial support, infantry can run faster than the "titan". I am guessing that this vehicle must have a base hp high enough, require logi-ships and its own reppers to survive. These ships, should also be able to hold a capacity of around 20-30 players (passengers), who stand in the bay ready to drop when the pilot says. Hull for each faction: 10-12 large turret. 5-6 medium turrets (once they are implemented) HP: Gallente: 5% bonus to hybrid turrets per level 20 000 Shields 100 000 Armour Caldari: 5% bonus to missile turrets per level 100 000 Shields 20 000 Armour Amarr: 5% bonus to energy based turrets per level 40 000 Shields 80 000 Armour Minmatar: 5% bonus to projectile turrets per level 80 000 Shields 40 000 Armour I am guessing that with amount of HP, these will have to have built in mega reps (with a higher rep ability per pulse for its prominent method of tanking) e.g. - Gallente (armour tanking) 4000hp for armour 500hp for shield - Caldari (shield tanking) 4000hp for shield and 500 hp for armour - Amarr (armour tanking) 3000hp for armour 1500hp for shield - Minmatar (shield tanking) 3000hp for shield and 1500 hp for armour These would require a small amount of spider tanking going on in heavy engagements. I have always thought that one of these titans-types for dust would be awesome. I think you pretty much just described what our MCCs are going to be like once we have the Commander role so he or she can operate them. If you read the early DevBlogs, and watch the 2009 presentation, these things carry both us and our vehicles down the the surface, have crazy ehp, and even have a pair of what appear to be XL turrets mounted underneath, that I would bet can be manned by two additional players.
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 103	Posted - 2013.09.01 18:43:00 - [16] - Quote Evolution-7 wrote: darkiller240 wrote: sry to say it but OP op?, 2000 rep a pulse 10 pulses? are you kidding me, without logi support this thing crash and burn. As for op, are you blind? I said after all other aerial vehicles. OP is all you people say and as a result, there is never new content. Did you even read what you said? "10-12 LARGE TURRETS" and "5-6 Medium turrets". If you had 12 people in this thing and 3 of them outside hacking the objectives you just completely dominate the entire match. This is OP and will not happen.
ToRgUe77 THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 1	Posted - 2013.09.01 18:54:00 - [17] - Quote My question is How exactly would this vehicle be manned? 10-12 turrets. Are you out of your mind? that means over 75% of the whole team would be manning the stupid thing,Who would be capturing objectives. Or otherwise being useful while your lumbering blimp does lazy circles and the stupid blue dots shoot aimlessly from the on board turrets. I would like to see the total number of players in battles to rise to 48, but atm its probably best to keep it at 32 for the sake lag and server issues.Would you like to add a nuke too?
Meeko Fent Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 764	Posted - 2013.09.01 18:57:00 - [18] - Quote Evolution-7 wrote: darkiller240 wrote: sry to say it but OP op?, 2000 rep a pulse 10 pulses? are you kidding me, without logi support this thing crash and burn. As for op, are you blind? I said after all other aerial vehicles. OP is all you people say and as a result, there is never new content. Uh, guy that is 20k HP per cycle. You could rep yourself from zero HP to completely full with a single cycle. How is that not OP?
richiesutie 2 Seraphim Auxiliaries 280	Posted - 2013.09.01 19:15:00 - [19] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Evolution-7 wrote: darkiller240 wrote: sry to say it but OP op?, 2000 rep a pulse 10 pulses? are you kidding me, without logi support this thing crash and burn. As for op, are you blind? I said after all other aerial vehicles. OP is all you people say and as a result, there is never new content. Uh, guy that is 20k HP per cycle. You could rep yourself from zero HP to completely full with a single cycle. How is that not OP? 2k per cycle 20 in total.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 1943	Posted - 2013.09.01 19:15:00 - [20] - Quote a neat idea but it has no place in a 16v16 lobby shooter.

Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1427	Posted - 2013.09.01 19:56:00 - [21] - Quote Maybe in the future when we have more stuff. People shouting OP are doing so based off AV we have today. But imagine once we have a bunch of different aerial vehicles that could dish out massive payloads or our own deployable null-cannon like structures that we can focus on the ships.
excillon united we stand x 52	Posted - 2013.09.01 19:59:00 - [22] - Quote No to aerial, but I'd be supportive of a heavily armored and armed APC that could hold like 8 people.
NOAMIzzzzz BIG BAD W0LVES 21	Posted - 2013.09.01 20:21:00 - [23] - Quote LOL it would cost like 5x more then a tank...
richiesutie 2 Seraphim Auxiliaries 280	Posted - 2013.09.01 20:37:00 - [24] - Quote NOAMIzzzzz wrote: LOL it would cost like 5x more then a tank... Add another 0 on that perhaps two.
GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY 38	Posted - 2013.09.01 21:01:00 - [25] - Quote ARE U HIGH SERIOUSLY...
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 186	Posted - 2013.09.01 21:13:00 - [26] - Quote So end game stuff when they haven't even gotten through the pregame.
Evolution-7 the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY 59	Posted - 2013.09.01 21:29:00 - [27] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Evolution-7 wrote: darkiller240 wrote: sry to say it but OP op?, 2000 rep a pulse 10 pulses? are you kidding me, without logi support this thing crash and burn. As for op, are you blind? I said after all other aerial vehicles. OP is all you people say and as a result, there is never new content. Uh, guy that is 20k HP per cycle. You could rep yourself from zero HP to completely full with a single cycle. How is that not OP? Dude are you ******* blind? 20k hp in one cycle every 30 seconds, The total EHP for this vehicle is 120,000 it would take just about 4 minutes to rep up fully.......... That's why there needs to be logi support! Tank with Active Heat Sink II can dish out 11,000 damage before over-heating.
Evolution-7 the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY 59	Posted - 2013.09.01 21:41:00 - [28] - Quote ToRgUe77 wrote: My question is How exactly would this vehicle be manned? 10-12 turrets. Are you out of your mind? that means over 75% of the whole team would be manning the stupid thing,Who would be capturing objectives. Or otherwise being useful while your lumbering blimp does lazy circles and the stupid blue dots shoot aimlessly from the on board turrets. I would like to see the total number of players in battles to rise to 48, but atm its probably best to keep it at 32 for the sake lag and server issues.Would you like to add a nuke too? ESPECIALLY FOR YOU I REDUCED THE AMOUNT OF TURRETS (MAYBE 10-12 WAS A BIT TO MANY) SORRY IF YOU CAN'T READ AND ARE BLIND SO FOR YOUR CONVENIENCE I WILL USE CAPS LOCK AND UNDERLINE THE WHOLE TEXT. 75% OF THE TEAM INSIDE, IM GUESSING YOUR THINKING THE STANDARD 16V16. ARE YOU STUPID, I CLEARLY WROTE LARGER MAPS WITH LARGE AMOUNTS OF PLAYERS ON EACH SIDE SOMETHING LIKE MAGS 128VS128. SECONDLY BLUE DOTS WOULD NOT BE HERE, BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED OR THERE ISNT ENOUGH ROOM FOR THEM IN PUB MATCHES, THESE WOULD BE CALLED IN CO-ORDINATED FACTIONAL WARFARE, CORP BATTLES AND ANY OTHER FUTURE PRIVATE BATTLES, THE PLAYERBASE MAY HAVE RISEN ENOUGH BY THEN FOR A AVERAGE CORP TO HAVE 200+PLAYERS ACTIVE CONSISTENTLY WHO WOULD BE READY TO FIGHT ANOTHER CORP OF ATLEAST 128 ACTIVE PLAYERS. THIS 128 PLAYER MODE WILL NOT BE A PUB MATCH, IT WILL BE WHATEVER CCP DECIDES TO DO WITH IT. IM GUESSING CORP BATTLES. SO WITH THE NEW FIGURES OF 4-6 LARGE TURRETS AND NO MEDIUMS, YES IT WOULD BE A SENSIBLE VEHICLE TO MAN. THIS WOULD COME ABOUT GUESSING 5-6 YEARS FROM NOW, AFTER FIGHTERS ETC, THIS BLOODY BEAST MAY EVEN BE TOO BUSY FIGHTING AIR UNITS OFF. Ah, and I hope you read that :D
Valto Nyntus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 24	Posted - 2013.09.01 21:42:00 - [29] - Quote already though of this(Behemoth), but sadly it's still too early for this feature.
Ten-Sidhe Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 525	Posted - 2013.09.01 21:50:00 - [30] - Quote MCC was planed to be player controlled eventually. It is the size OP suggested. Trailer showed hull cost of 120 million isk, if I remember correctly. This will not be feasible until we have larger teams, less of map in readzone, better PC mechanics. I'm sure this will one day happen, but will probably be years away. Number of turrets is a bit much, and in closed beta when mcc was mobile it was about 1/2 heavy suit walking speed.



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