DUST Search - The MD will not be nerfed no matter how much you complain

Charlotte O'Dell wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

Charlotte O'Dell wrote:

The Flaylock was nerfed bc data gathered from the game showed that the Flaylock was outperforming light weapons and heavy weapons outside of their roles, and well outside of its intended role. Therefore, it was nerfed.

From what I have seen, a very skilled AR user, a very skilled MD user, and a very skilled SR user, can all go 23:0 in a game, provided they have good squad support. It seems to me that these light weapons are performing quite well as light weapons within their intended roles.

Perhaps if the MD was doing better outside of area denial and CQC, it would need a nerf, but it does not.

For all the NERF MD ITS OP threads I see, I fail to see mass drivers performing significantly better than the ARs and even tankers. Now, I have the Freedom mass driver myself, and I'm decent with it, but I have yet to pull a 32:0 game with it more than once, and that was against a team of newberries who assaulted me in mass when i was in an elevated position (tabletop). Usually, I'll get a decent 12:0, whereas in my tank I'll get a nice 15:0 if there isn't a strong AV effort.

Point is, the MD isn't going to change, so you might as well get used to it and htfu.

Yeah it was just annoying as hell when a bunch on Minnie Fwer spammed a squad of 4 MD's. Amarrian weaponry just doesn't compare inside buildings.

But in in manus peak like places amarrians dominate the winmitar like it's cool.

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Charlotte O'Dell 0uter.Heaven 1263	Posted - 2013.09.01 08:29:00 - [1] - Quote The Flaylock was nerfed bc data gathered from the game showed that the Flaylock was outperforming light weapons and heavy weapons outside of their roles, and well outside of its intended role. Therefore, it was nerfed. From what I have seen, a very skilled AR user, a very skilled MD user, and a very skilled SR user, can all go 23:0 in a game, provided they have good squad support. It seems to me that these light weapons are performing quite well as light weapons within their intended roles. Perhaps if the MD was doing better outside of area denial and CQC, it would need a nerf, but it does not. For all the NERF MD ITS OP threads I see, I fail to see mass drivers performing significantly better than the ARs and even tankers. Now, I have the Freedom mass driver myself, and I'm decent with it, but I have yet to pull a 32:0 game with it more than once, and that was against a team of newberries who assaulted me in mass when i was in an elevated position (tabletop). Usually, I'll get a decent 12:0, whereas in my tank I'll get a nice 15:0 if there isn't a strong AV effort. Point is, the MD isn't going to change, so you might as well get used to it and htfu.
Leither Yiltron KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 660	Posted - 2013.09.01 08:32:00 - [2] - Quote This coming from the guy in the corp that couldn't kill a fly without spamming explosives. 0/10 would not laugh at troll.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1474	Posted - 2013.09.01 08:33:00 - [3] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: The Flaylock was nerfed bc data gathered from the game showed that the Flaylock was outperforming light weapons and heavy weapons outside of their roles, and well outside of its intended role. Therefore, it was nerfed. From what I have seen, a very skilled AR user, a very skilled MD user, and a very skilled SR user, can all go 23:0 in a game, provided they have good squad support. It seems to me that these light weapons are performing quite well as light weapons within their intended roles. Perhaps if the MD was doing better outside of area denial and CQC, it would need a nerf, but it does not. For all the NERF MD ITS OP threads I see, I fail to see mass drivers performing significantly better than the ARs and even tankers. Now, I have the Freedom mass driver myself, and I'm decent with it, but I have yet to pull a 32:0 game with it more than once, and that was against a team of newberries who assaulted me in mass when i was in an elevated position (tabletop). Usually, I'll get a decent 12:0, whereas in my tank I'll get a nice 15:0 if there isn't a strong AV effort. Point is, the MD isn't going to change, so you might as well get used to it and htfu. Yeah it was just annoying as hell when a bunch on Minnie Fwer spammed a squad of 4 MD's. Amarrian weaponry just doesn't compare inside buildings.
Charlotte O'Dell 0uter.Heaven 1263	Posted - 2013.09.01 08:34:00 - [4] - Quote Leither Yiltron wrote: This coming from the guy in the corp that couldn't kill a fly without spamming explosives. 0/10 would not laugh at troll. My explosives are here to stay. No laugh required.
Charlotte O'Dell 0uter.Heaven 1263	Posted - 2013.09.01 08:34:00 - [5] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: The Flaylock was nerfed bc data gathered from the game showed that the Flaylock was outperforming light weapons and heavy weapons outside of their roles, and well outside of its intended role. Therefore, it was nerfed. From what I have seen, a very skilled AR user, a very skilled MD user, and a very skilled SR user, can all go 23:0 in a game, provided they have good squad support. It seems to me that these light weapons are performing quite well as light weapons within their intended roles. Perhaps if the MD was doing better outside of area denial and CQC, it would need a nerf, but it does not. For all the NERF MD ITS OP threads I see, I fail to see mass drivers performing significantly better than the ARs and even tankers. Now, I have the Freedom mass driver myself, and I'm decent with it, but I have yet to pull a 32:0 game with it more than once, and that was against a team of newberries who assaulted me in mass when i was in an elevated position (tabletop). Usually, I'll get a decent 12:0, whereas in my tank I'll get a nice 15:0 if there isn't a strong AV effort. Point is, the MD isn't going to change, so you might as well get used to it and htfu. Yeah it was just annoying as hell when a bunch on Minnie Fwer spammed a squad of 4 MD's. Amarrian weaponry just doesn't compare inside buildings. But in in manus peak like places amarrians dominate the winmitar like it's cool.
KingBlade82 The Phoenix Federation 178	Posted - 2013.09.01 08:35:00 - [6] - Quote Leither Yiltron wrote: This coming from the guy in the corp that couldn't kill a fly without spamming explosives. 0/10 would not laugh at troll. id say molon labe :P but to OP one word "shotgun" doesn't explain why it outperforms it and will need a nerf
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1411	Posted - 2013.09.01 08:36:00 - [7] - Quote I will complain forever about the mass driver and it's spam, but not because I want it nerfed or because I think its cheap, but because as an armor tanker I just hate it naturally. If you ever squad up with me don't mind the occasional rant, it's all in good spirit
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1474	Posted - 2013.09.01 08:43:00 - [8] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: True Adamance wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: The Flaylock was nerfed bc data gathered from the game showed that the Flaylock was outperforming light weapons and heavy weapons outside of their roles, and well outside of its intended role. Therefore, it was nerfed. From what I have seen, a very skilled AR user, a very skilled MD user, and a very skilled SR user, can all go 23:0 in a game, provided they have good squad support. It seems to me that these light weapons are performing quite well as light weapons within their intended roles. Perhaps if the MD was doing better outside of area denial and CQC, it would need a nerf, but it does not. For all the NERF MD ITS OP threads I see, I fail to see mass drivers performing significantly better than the ARs and even tankers. Now, I have the Freedom mass driver myself, and I'm decent with it, but I have yet to pull a 32:0 game with it more than once, and that was against a team of newberries who assaulted me in mass when i was in an elevated position (tabletop). Usually, I'll get a decent 12:0, whereas in my tank I'll get a nice 15:0 if there isn't a strong AV effort. Point is, the MD isn't going to change, so you might as well get used to it and htfu. Yeah it was just annoying as hell when a bunch on Minnie Fwer spammed a squad of 4 MD's. Amarrian weaponry just doesn't compare inside buildings. But in in manus peak like places amarrians dominate the winmitar like it's cool. I guess you cant win them all..... I guess we'll have to come up with some other way to counter them, Im thinking fluxes hoping they **** up and blow themselves sky high. I think Ill probably complain but in an "I h8 explosives cuz dey killz mah armah" kind of way
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1413	Posted - 2013.09.01 08:44:00 - [9] - Quote ^Not gonna lie, I wouldn't mind an Amarrian splash damage weapon.
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 743	Posted - 2013.09.01 09:20:00 - [10] - Quote Thok! Boom!

Shadow of War88 0uter.Heaven 59	Posted - 2013.09.01 11:10:00 - [11] - Quote Leither Yiltron wrote: This coming from the guy in the corp that couldn't kill a fly without spamming explosives. 0/10 would not laugh at troll. lol u just butt hurt
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 526	Posted - 2013.09.01 11:17:00 - [12] - Quote They told they will look how armor and matchmaking changes will affect the gameplay before make any change to the MD, everything it's possible.
Purona The Vanguardians 51	Posted - 2013.09.01 11:19:00 - [13] - Quote i remember when flaylock was hot people thought the mass driver was the worse weapon flay lock gets nerfed mass driver untouched mass driver is now the best weapon with even more range and damage
THE TRAINSPOTTER ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN 287	Posted - 2013.09.01 11:20:00 - [14] - Quote charlola lets talk sexy
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 53	Posted - 2013.09.01 11:21:00 - [15] - Quote Very true, shotguns need a little bit of a buff and hit detection improvements, this is the only reason it currently out performs the shotgun!!
Coleman Gray GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 641	Posted - 2013.09.01 11:41:00 - [16] - Quote The Mass Driver shouldn't be seen as a CQC weapon, CQC SHOULD really be the MD's "Blindspot"
Torneido Achura The Suicide Kingz 20	Posted - 2013.09.01 12:37:00 - [17] - Quote Maybe one day CCP will go: "Spam all you want MD but your splash damage its going down" or "Splash all you want MD but that RateOF its going down.. muahaha" or "G f* yourself AR I'm no longer your bi*" There's a possibility.. mmmhmmhmm
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6010	Posted - 2013.09.01 13:08:00 - [18] - Quote Wolfman says he wants to see how the new aiming system plays out before considering any MD / weapon nerfs in general. Just have to wait and see
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1311	Posted - 2013.09.01 13:12:00 - [19] - Quote Leither Yiltron wrote: This coming from the guy in the corp that couldn't kill a fly without spamming explosives. 0/10 would not laugh at troll. Sounds like those explosives blew your ass up.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 114	Posted - 2013.09.01 13:16:00 - [20] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: The Mass Driver shouldn't be seen as a CQC weapon, CQC SHOULD really be the MD's "Blindspot" Unfortunately it outperforms most wepaons in cqc even wepons like the shotgunn or smg get clearly outperformed by the MD. I am so sick of MD user shooting directly to their feet in hand to hand combat distance killing me without getting any damage. Thats really stupid...

Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster 845	Posted - 2013.09.01 13:34:00 - [21] - Quote Didn't you say it was suppose to do good in CQC?
Smooth Assassin Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 107	Posted - 2013.09.01 13:35:00 - [22] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: The Flaylock was nerfed bc data gathered from the game showed that the Flaylock was outperforming light weapons and heavy weapons outside of their roles, and well outside of its intended role. Therefore, it was nerfed. From what I have seen, a very skilled AR user, a very skilled MD user, and a very skilled SR user, can all go 23:0 in a game, provided they have good squad support. It seems to me that these light weapons are performing quite well as light weapons within their intended roles. Perhaps if the MD was doing better outside of area denial and CQC, it would need a nerf, but it does not. For all the NERF MD ITS OP threads I see, I fail to see mass drivers performing significantly better than the ARs and even tankers. Now, I have the Freedom mass driver myself, and I'm decent with it, but I have yet to pull a 32:0 game with it more than once, and that was against a team of newberries who assaulted me in mass when i was in an elevated position (tabletop). Usually, I'll get a decent 12:0, whereas in my tank I'll get a nice 15:0 if there isn't a strong AV effort. Point is, the MD isn't going to change, so you might as well get used to it and htfu. If CCP says its nerfed and does nothing everyone would leave it same as the flaylock but i use it.
noob cavman A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 20	Posted - 2013.09.01 13:39:00 - [23] - Quote When my shotgun hit detection is working...... hehehehehe
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 137	Posted - 2013.09.01 15:20:00 - [24] - Quote When Im using MD I go 8:6 When Im using ASCR I go 14:2 Hitscan weapons will always be more slayer than nonhitscan weapons. No way in hell can someone tell me they rack up more kills with MD than with AR. So be sure my dear haters, if someone rocks you with an AssMD, he-¦d most likely wreck your **** 6 ways to Sunday with a Duvolle.
Shotty GoBang Intara Direct Action Caldari State 757	Posted - 2013.09.01 15:57:00 - [25] - Quote KingBlade82 wrote: one word "shotgun" doesn't explain why it outperforms it and will need a nerf Agreed (if I understand you correctly). Minimum arming distance -- if implemented -- would fix this. Respectfully disagree with OP. Unmatched Area Denial? Absolutely. No problem. Rooftop Spam? Annoying, but still Area Denial. No problem. CQC EZ Mode? Problem. My two cents shotgunner, at least.
Viktor Vikrizi The Corporate Raiders 36	Posted - 2013.09.01 16:06:00 - [26] - Quote I've went about 30-4 with my Exo MD once before it was amazing. Highest I've done with an AR is about 24-5.
Xender17 Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 520	Posted - 2013.09.01 16:20:00 - [27] - Quote Didn't CCP say they are waiting to nerf it to see what effect the hit detection fix and aiming fix has on it from other weapons.
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 1225	Posted - 2013.09.01 16:23:00 - [28] - Quote Xender17 wrote: Didn't CCP say they are waiting to nerf it to see what effect the hit detection fix and aiming fix has on it from other weapons. Yes
Doshneil Antaro Dem Durrty Boyz Public Disorder. 118	Posted - 2013.09.01 17:12:00 - [29] - Quote To be honest, most of the complaints about explosives comes from their total unbalance vs armor. Until infantry suits get resistance mods, they effectiveness against shields/armor need to be adjusted. At this stage, to make all weapons viable as well as to stabilize damage received, most numbers need to be changed to nothing greater than 100%. Example locus grenade: 80 vs shield, 100 vs armor. Flux would need to also be addressed too. Damage should equal locus counterparts. This would make them less desirable, as they don't not damage armor, so adding a extra feature would be need to see these still used. Ideas for effects: stun, flash, slow, or stamina drain. Other effects could be nanites released from explosion: deletes enemy grenade stash from suit.
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK 113	Posted - 2013.09.01 18:22:00 - [30] - Quote As a prof 5 AR and prof 3 MD user I have to say this: Lololol everyone who doesn't understand that an area denial weapon is going to work wonders in cqc! It's all about the tactics; is there a tight objective cluster with a lot of hallways (read choke points) to close off to prevent being flanked? Then FWOMP-BOOM-+50wps away! If you're trying to run thru said hallway, don't. Wait until a reload or ffs flank. Sorry that a "dynamic squad based tactical" game makes you Idk, relay info with your squad and figure out some basic tactics like flanking. If you're running a long open stretch between objectives, the MD is sorely at a disadvantage because of the range you're at away from them and the slow MD shell travel speed. Strafe left and right while advancing, get into accurate pew pew while that MD sucker has to reload and collect 50wps. Enough with the qq, just learn to counter us, It's not that hard. And unless you were around for the terror-reign of chromosomes MD, just stop. Please. We were God's, uprising slew us, now we re just mortals looking to the sky, feeling homesick.



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