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Charlotte O'Dell
0uter.Heaven
1263
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Posted - 2013.09.01 08:29:00 -
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The Flaylock was nerfed bc data gathered from the game showed that the Flaylock was outperforming light weapons and heavy weapons outside of their roles, and well outside of its intended role. Therefore, it was nerfed.
From what I have seen, a very skilled AR user, a very skilled MD user, and a very skilled SR user, can all go 23:0 in a game, provided they have good squad support. It seems to me that these light weapons are performing quite well as light weapons within their intended roles.
Perhaps if the MD was doing better outside of area denial and CQC, it would need a nerf, but it does not.
For all the NERF MD ITS OP threads I see, I fail to see mass drivers performing significantly better than the ARs and even tankers. Now, I have the Freedom mass driver myself, and I'm decent with it, but I have yet to pull a 32:0 game with it more than once, and that was against a team of newberries who assaulted me in mass when i was in an elevated position (tabletop). Usually, I'll get a decent 12:0, whereas in my tank I'll get a nice 15:0 if there isn't a strong AV effort.
Point is, the MD isn't going to change, so you might as well get used to it and htfu. |
Leither Yiltron
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
660
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Posted - 2013.09.01 08:32:00 -
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This coming from the guy in the corp that couldn't kill a fly without spamming explosives.
0/10 would not laugh at troll. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1474
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Posted - 2013.09.01 08:33:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote:The Flaylock was nerfed bc data gathered from the game showed that the Flaylock was outperforming light weapons and heavy weapons outside of their roles, and well outside of its intended role. Therefore, it was nerfed.
From what I have seen, a very skilled AR user, a very skilled MD user, and a very skilled SR user, can all go 23:0 in a game, provided they have good squad support. It seems to me that these light weapons are performing quite well as light weapons within their intended roles.
Perhaps if the MD was doing better outside of area denial and CQC, it would need a nerf, but it does not.
For all the NERF MD ITS OP threads I see, I fail to see mass drivers performing significantly better than the ARs and even tankers. Now, I have the Freedom mass driver myself, and I'm decent with it, but I have yet to pull a 32:0 game with it more than once, and that was against a team of newberries who assaulted me in mass when i was in an elevated position (tabletop). Usually, I'll get a decent 12:0, whereas in my tank I'll get a nice 15:0 if there isn't a strong AV effort.
Point is, the MD isn't going to change, so you might as well get used to it and htfu. Yeah it was just annoying as hell when a bunch on Minnie Fwer spammed a squad of 4 MD's. Amarrian weaponry just doesn't compare inside buildings. |
Charlotte O'Dell
0uter.Heaven
1263
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Posted - 2013.09.01 08:34:00 -
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Leither Yiltron wrote:This coming from the guy in the corp that couldn't kill a fly without spamming explosives.
0/10 would not laugh at troll.
My explosives are here to stay. No laugh required. |
Charlotte O'Dell
0uter.Heaven
1263
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Posted - 2013.09.01 08:34:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Charlotte O'Dell wrote:The Flaylock was nerfed bc data gathered from the game showed that the Flaylock was outperforming light weapons and heavy weapons outside of their roles, and well outside of its intended role. Therefore, it was nerfed.
From what I have seen, a very skilled AR user, a very skilled MD user, and a very skilled SR user, can all go 23:0 in a game, provided they have good squad support. It seems to me that these light weapons are performing quite well as light weapons within their intended roles.
Perhaps if the MD was doing better outside of area denial and CQC, it would need a nerf, but it does not.
For all the NERF MD ITS OP threads I see, I fail to see mass drivers performing significantly better than the ARs and even tankers. Now, I have the Freedom mass driver myself, and I'm decent with it, but I have yet to pull a 32:0 game with it more than once, and that was against a team of newberries who assaulted me in mass when i was in an elevated position (tabletop). Usually, I'll get a decent 12:0, whereas in my tank I'll get a nice 15:0 if there isn't a strong AV effort.
Point is, the MD isn't going to change, so you might as well get used to it and htfu. Yeah it was just annoying as hell when a bunch on Minnie Fwer spammed a squad of 4 MD's. Amarrian weaponry just doesn't compare inside buildings.
But in in manus peak like places amarrians dominate the winmitar like it's cool. |
KingBlade82
The Phoenix Federation
178
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Posted - 2013.09.01 08:35:00 -
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Leither Yiltron wrote:This coming from the guy in the corp that couldn't kill a fly without spamming explosives.
0/10 would not laugh at troll.
id say molon labe :P but to OP one word "shotgun" doesn't explain why it outperforms it and will need a nerf |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1411
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Posted - 2013.09.01 08:36:00 -
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I will complain forever about the mass driver and it's spam, but not because I want it nerfed or because I think its cheap, but because as an armor tanker I just hate it naturally. If you ever squad up with me don't mind the occasional rant, it's all in good spirit |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1474
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Posted - 2013.09.01 08:43:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote:True Adamance wrote:Charlotte O'Dell wrote:The Flaylock was nerfed bc data gathered from the game showed that the Flaylock was outperforming light weapons and heavy weapons outside of their roles, and well outside of its intended role. Therefore, it was nerfed.
From what I have seen, a very skilled AR user, a very skilled MD user, and a very skilled SR user, can all go 23:0 in a game, provided they have good squad support. It seems to me that these light weapons are performing quite well as light weapons within their intended roles.
Perhaps if the MD was doing better outside of area denial and CQC, it would need a nerf, but it does not.
For all the NERF MD ITS OP threads I see, I fail to see mass drivers performing significantly better than the ARs and even tankers. Now, I have the Freedom mass driver myself, and I'm decent with it, but I have yet to pull a 32:0 game with it more than once, and that was against a team of newberries who assaulted me in mass when i was in an elevated position (tabletop). Usually, I'll get a decent 12:0, whereas in my tank I'll get a nice 15:0 if there isn't a strong AV effort.
Point is, the MD isn't going to change, so you might as well get used to it and htfu. Yeah it was just annoying as hell when a bunch on Minnie Fwer spammed a squad of 4 MD's. Amarrian weaponry just doesn't compare inside buildings. But in in manus peak like places amarrians dominate the winmitar like it's cool. I guess you cant win them all..... I guess we'll have to come up with some other way to counter them, Im thinking fluxes hoping they **** up and blow themselves sky high.
I think Ill probably complain but in an "I h8 explosives cuz dey killz mah armah" kind of way |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1413
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Posted - 2013.09.01 08:44:00 -
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^Not gonna lie, I wouldn't mind an Amarrian splash damage weapon. |
Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
743
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Posted - 2013.09.01 09:20:00 -
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Thok! Boom!
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Shadow of War88
0uter.Heaven
59
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Posted - 2013.09.01 11:10:00 -
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Leither Yiltron wrote:This coming from the guy in the corp that couldn't kill a fly without spamming explosives.
0/10 would not laugh at troll.
lol u just butt hurt |
shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY
526
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Posted - 2013.09.01 11:17:00 -
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They told they will look how armor and matchmaking changes will affect the gameplay before make any change to the MD, everything it's possible. |
Purona
The Vanguardians
51
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Posted - 2013.09.01 11:19:00 -
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i remember when flaylock was hot people thought the mass driver was the worse weapon
flay lock gets nerfed mass driver untouched
mass driver is now the best weapon with even more range and damage |
THE TRAINSPOTTER
ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN
287
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Posted - 2013.09.01 11:20:00 -
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charlola lets talk sexy |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
53
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Posted - 2013.09.01 11:21:00 -
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Very true, shotguns need a little bit of a buff and hit detection improvements, this is the only reason it currently out performs the shotgun!! |
Coleman Gray
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
641
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Posted - 2013.09.01 11:41:00 -
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The Mass Driver shouldn't be seen as a CQC weapon, CQC SHOULD really be the MD's "Blindspot" |
Torneido Achura
The Suicide Kingz
20
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Posted - 2013.09.01 12:37:00 -
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Maybe one day CCP will go:
"Spam all you want MD but your splash damage its going down" or "Splash all you want MD but that RateOF its going down.. muahaha" or "G f*** yourself AR I'm no longer your bi***"
There's a possibility.. mmmhmmhmm |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
6010
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Posted - 2013.09.01 13:08:00 -
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Wolfman says he wants to see how the new aiming system plays out before considering any MD / weapon nerfs in general.
Just have to wait and see |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
1311
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Posted - 2013.09.01 13:12:00 -
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Leither Yiltron wrote:This coming from the guy in the corp that couldn't kill a fly without spamming explosives.
0/10 would not laugh at troll.
Sounds like those explosives blew your ass up. |
Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
114
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Posted - 2013.09.01 13:16:00 -
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Coleman Gray wrote:The Mass Driver shouldn't be seen as a CQC weapon, CQC SHOULD really be the MD's "Blindspot"
Unfortunately it outperforms most wepaons in cqc even wepons like the shotgunn or smg get clearly outperformed by the MD. I am so sick of MD user shooting directly to their feet in hand to hand combat distance killing me without getting any damage. Thats really stupid... |
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
845
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Posted - 2013.09.01 13:34:00 -
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Didn't you say it was suppose to do good in CQC? |
Smooth Assassin
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
107
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Posted - 2013.09.01 13:35:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote:The Flaylock was nerfed bc data gathered from the game showed that the Flaylock was outperforming light weapons and heavy weapons outside of their roles, and well outside of its intended role. Therefore, it was nerfed.
From what I have seen, a very skilled AR user, a very skilled MD user, and a very skilled SR user, can all go 23:0 in a game, provided they have good squad support. It seems to me that these light weapons are performing quite well as light weapons within their intended roles.
Perhaps if the MD was doing better outside of area denial and CQC, it would need a nerf, but it does not.
For all the NERF MD ITS OP threads I see, I fail to see mass drivers performing significantly better than the ARs and even tankers. Now, I have the Freedom mass driver myself, and I'm decent with it, but I have yet to pull a 32:0 game with it more than once, and that was against a team of newberries who assaulted me in mass when i was in an elevated position (tabletop). Usually, I'll get a decent 12:0, whereas in my tank I'll get a nice 15:0 if there isn't a strong AV effort.
Point is, the MD isn't going to change, so you might as well get used to it and htfu. If CCP says its nerfed and does nothing everyone would leave it same as the flaylock but i use it. |
noob cavman
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
20
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Posted - 2013.09.01 13:39:00 -
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When my shotgun hit detection is working...... hehehehehe |
Beeeees
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
137
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Posted - 2013.09.01 15:20:00 -
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When Im using MD I go 8:6 When Im using ASCR I go 14:2
Hitscan weapons will always be more slayer than nonhitscan weapons.
No way in hell can someone tell me they rack up more kills with MD than with AR.
So be sure my dear haters, if someone rocks you with an AssMD, he-¦d most likely wreck your **** 6 ways to Sunday with a Duvolle.
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Shotty GoBang
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
757
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Posted - 2013.09.01 15:57:00 -
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KingBlade82 wrote: one word "shotgun" doesn't explain why it outperforms it and will need a nerf
Agreed (if I understand you correctly). Minimum arming distance -- if implemented -- would fix this.
Respectfully disagree with OP.
Unmatched Area Denial? Absolutely. No problem. Rooftop Spam? Annoying, but still Area Denial. No problem. CQC EZ Mode? Problem.
My two cents shotgunner, at least. |
Viktor Vikrizi
The Corporate Raiders
36
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Posted - 2013.09.01 16:06:00 -
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I've went about 30-4 with my Exo MD once before it was amazing. Highest I've done with an AR is about 24-5. |
Xender17
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
520
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Posted - 2013.09.01 16:20:00 -
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Didn't CCP say they are waiting to nerf it to see what effect the hit detection fix and aiming fix has on it from other weapons. |
N1ck Comeau
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
1225
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Posted - 2013.09.01 16:23:00 -
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Xender17 wrote:Didn't CCP say they are waiting to nerf it to see what effect the hit detection fix and aiming fix has on it from other weapons. Yes |
Doshneil Antaro
Dem Durrty Boyz Public Disorder.
118
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Posted - 2013.09.01 17:12:00 -
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To be honest, most of the complaints about explosives comes from their total unbalance vs armor. Until infantry suits get resistance mods, they effectiveness against shields/armor need to be adjusted. At this stage, to make all weapons viable as well as to stabilize damage received, most numbers need to be changed to nothing greater than 100%. Example locus grenade: 80 vs shield, 100 vs armor. Flux would need to also be addressed too. Damage should equal locus counterparts. This would make them less desirable, as they don't not damage armor, so adding a extra feature would be need to see these still used. Ideas for effects: stun, flash, slow, or stamina drain. Other effects could be nanites released from explosion: deletes enemy grenade stash from suit. |
Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK
113
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Posted - 2013.09.01 18:22:00 -
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As a prof 5 AR and prof 3 MD user I have to say this: Lololol everyone who doesn't understand that an area denial weapon is going to work wonders in cqc!
It's all about the tactics; is there a tight objective cluster with a lot of hallways (read choke points) to close off to prevent being flanked? Then FWOMP-BOOM-+50wps away! If you're trying to run thru said hallway, don't. Wait until a reload or ffs flank. Sorry that a "dynamic squad based tactical" game makes you Idk, relay info with your squad and figure out some basic tactics like flanking.
If you're running a long open stretch between objectives, the MD is sorely at a disadvantage because of the range you're at away from them and the slow MD shell travel speed. Strafe left and right while advancing, get into accurate pew pew while that MD sucker has to reload and collect 50wps.
Enough with the qq, just learn to counter us, It's not that hard.
And unless you were around for the terror-reign of chromosomes MD, just stop. Please. We were God's, uprising slew us, now we re just mortals looking to the sky, feeling homesick. |
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ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
813
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Posted - 2013.09.01 19:02:00 -
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I find it funny when a redline rail tank player attempts to balance infantry dynamics
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Minor Treat
The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo
78
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Posted - 2013.09.01 19:05:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote:The Flaylock was nerfed bc data gathered from the game showed that the Flaylock was outperforming light weapons and heavy weapons outside of their roles, and well outside of its intended role. Therefore, it was nerfed.
From what I have seen, a very skilled AR user, a very skilled MD user, and a very skilled SR user, can all go 23:0 in a game, provided they have good squad support. It seems to me that these light weapons are performing quite well as light weapons within their intended roles.
Perhaps if the MD was doing better outside of area denial and CQC, it would need a nerf, but it does not.
For all the NERF MD ITS OP threads I see, I fail to see mass drivers performing significantly better than the ARs and even tankers. Now, I have the Freedom mass driver myself, and I'm decent with it, but I have yet to pull a 32:0 game with it more than once, and that was against a team of newberries who assaulted me in mass when i was in an elevated position (tabletop). Usually, I'll get a decent 12:0, whereas in my tank I'll get a nice 15:0 if there isn't a strong AV effort.
Point is, the MD isn't going to change, so you might as well get used to it and htfu. actually a Dev responded saying if 1.4 does not change the MD users kill amount from what it is now than it will possibly recieve a Clip nerf. Not a Splash damage or radius nerf but either clip nerf or distance nerf. |
commando biffle
Shadow Company HQ
8
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Posted - 2013.09.01 19:08:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote:The Flaylock was nerfed bc data gathered from the game showed that the Flaylock was outperforming light weapons and heavy weapons outside of their roles, and well outside of its intended role. Therefore, it was nerfed.
From what I have seen, a very skilled AR user, a very skilled MD user, and a very skilled SR user, can all go 23:0 in a game, provided they have good squad support. It seems to me that these light weapons are performing quite well as light weapons within their intended roles.
Perhaps if the MD was doing better outside of area denial and CQC, it would need a nerf, but it does not.
For all the NERF MD ITS OP threads I see, I fail to see mass drivers performing significantly better than the ARs and even tankers. Now, I have the Freedom mass driver myself, and I'm decent with it, but I have yet to pull a 32:0 game with it more than once, and that was against a team of newberries who assaulted me in mass when i was in an elevated position (tabletop). Usually, I'll get a decent 12:0, whereas in my tank I'll get a nice 15:0 if there isn't a strong AV effort.
Point is, the MD isn't going to change, so you might as well get used to it and htfu. The MD is not a CQC weapon! |
Duvolle Assault Rifle
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.09.01 19:43:00 -
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It will be nerfed, because I said so.
Bow down to your supreme overlord!
Go forth my minions, nerf everything, I must remain dominant!
Mwuhahahaha! |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
890
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Posted - 2013.09.01 19:46:00 -
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Duvolle Assault Rifle wrote:It will be nerfed, because I said so.
Bow down to your supreme overlord!
Go forth my minions, nerf everything, I must remain dominant!
Mwuhahahaha!
Well you guys heard the man... |
Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
332
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Posted - 2013.09.01 19:49:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:I will complain forever about the mass driver and it's spam, but not because I want it nerfed or because I think its cheap, but because as an armor tanker I just hate it naturally. If you ever squad up with me don't mind the occasional rant, it's all in good spirit Not calling for nerfs? You're QQ-ing wrong.... errr wait you were never QQ-ing in the first place.
My bad. Carry on. |
Alldin Kan
TeamPlayers EoN.
565
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Posted - 2013.09.01 20:38:00 -
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Can a MD easily kill someone with 400+ shields? It seems like everyone forgot that the Scrambler rifle charge shot does over 400 damage, and then there's the high RoF and regular damage. |
Tectonic Fusion
the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY
200
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Posted - 2013.09.01 20:39:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:I will complain forever about the mass driver and it's spam, but not because I want it nerfed or because I think its cheap, but because as an armor tanker I just hate it naturally. If you ever squad up with me don't mind the occasional rant, it's all in good spirit They need bigger maps. Because in close spaces the MD dominates. No where to run |
Jimbo1337
Pure Innocence. EoN.
30
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Posted - 2013.09.01 20:45:00 -
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You don't go 30-0 with a massdriver sitting on top of a tabletop
You have to wait for people to come to you...which is why you go 12-0....you know camping. |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
54
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Posted - 2013.09.01 22:10:00 -
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The mass driver is not cqc -10m it IS short range 10-20m, the mass driver against the ar in cqc is exactly right, the mass driver has a slight upper hand, but one step wrong and its all over, this is what "jack of all trades" is meant to be, it shouldn't have the upper hand all the time but it should be just behind EVERYWHERE!! |
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