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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
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Posted - 2013.08.28 12:10:00 -
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Cause I really love those things.
I just don't wanna get yelled at. |
General John Ripper
The Generals EoN.
2071
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Posted - 2013.08.28 12:15:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Cause I really love those things.
I just don't wanna get yelled at. no one ever cared if you used a basic flaylock.... It was the proto flaylock that was the problem.
Go ahead and use the proto flaylock if you want. Whenever I am with my buds and they see a flaylock, they always comment "ohh a flaylock, i haven't seen one of those in a long time"
so judging by most reactions i get out of people I know, I would say its safe. Just don't use a mass driver or LLav if you don't want to get yelled at. |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
807
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Posted - 2013.08.28 12:17:00 -
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who cares?
short of nova knives their isn't a weapon in this game that isn't bitched about. |
Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
816
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Posted - 2013.08.28 12:17:00 -
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Thanks, I was using a STD pre Nerf and got some flak. I stopped because of all the threads and because it was abused. |
XiBravo
TeamPlayers EoN.
195
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Posted - 2013.08.28 12:18:00 -
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^ Forge gun, core locus, hundred hand slap* |
Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
816
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Posted - 2013.08.28 12:19:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:who cares?
short of nova knives their isn't a weapon in this game that isn't bitched about. Also, the plasma cannon. You will never hear anybody say "f-ing plasma cannon nub" |
Spademan
the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY
252
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Posted - 2013.08.28 12:22:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:calisk galern wrote:who cares?
short of nova knives their isn't a weapon in this game that isn't bitched about. Also, the plasma cannon. You will never hear anybody say "f-ing plasma cannon nub"
Nor have I ever seen a complaint about the Laser since the concrete nerf donkey |
Panther Alpha
DarkWingsss
943
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Posted - 2013.08.28 12:23:00 -
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YOU CAN USE IT, NO ONE WILL YELL AT YOU !!!!!! |
Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
816
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Posted - 2013.08.28 12:26:00 -
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Spademan wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:calisk galern wrote:who cares?
short of nova knives their isn't a weapon in this game that isn't bitched about. Also, the plasma cannon. You will never hear anybody say "f-ing plasma cannon nub" Nor have I ever seen a complaint about the Laser since the concrete nerf donkey Yeah, a buddy of mine uses and the ELM and he still manages to get kills with it.
Think he has prof level 1 or maybe 3 with a complex DMG mod it(though I honestly can't remember cause I was drunk when I asked him) |
Ruthless Lee
The Eliminators
51
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Posted - 2013.08.28 12:27:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:calisk galern wrote:who cares?
short of nova knives their isn't a weapon in this game that isn't bitched about. Also, the plasma cannon. You will never hear anybody say "f-ing plasma cannon nub"
Actually ... not true. I have a corp mate who has gotten hate mail twice ... both times for killing somebody with the plasma cannon |
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
816
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Posted - 2013.08.28 12:30:00 -
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Ruthless Lee wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:calisk galern wrote:who cares?
short of nova knives their isn't a weapon in this game that isn't bitched about. Also, the plasma cannon. You will never hear anybody say "f-ing plasma cannon nub" Actually ... not true. I have a corp mate who has gotten hate mail twice ... both times for killing somebody with the plasma cannon Seriously?
I can't be angry if I get killed by a plasma cannon or nova knife, as a matter of fact, I will send some love mail next time it happens. |
Ruthless Lee
The Eliminators
52
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Posted - 2013.08.28 12:37:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Ruthless Lee wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:calisk galern wrote:who cares?
short of nova knives their isn't a weapon in this game that isn't bitched about. Also, the plasma cannon. You will never hear anybody say "f-ing plasma cannon nub" Actually ... not true. I have a corp mate who has gotten hate mail twice ... both times for killing somebody with the plasma cannon Seriously? I can't be angry if I get killed by a plasma cannon or nova knife, as a matter of fact, I will send some love mail next time it happens.
Yeah, he showed me the emails ... they were pretty irate. We laughed over them And I'm with you ... I mind dying a lot less when it's to a weapon like the plasma cannon or nova knives. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
3159
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Posted - 2013.08.28 12:43:00 -
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Breach is awesome- more impact damage than the core. |
Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
816
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Posted - 2013.08.28 12:46:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Breach is awesome- more impact damage than the core. If I was good enough to hit my targets, I'd use the scrambler.
I ain't got skills fer DAT! |
Forlorn Destrier
Bullet Cluster
1467
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Posted - 2013.08.28 12:47:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Cause I really love those things.
I just don't wanna get yelled at.
Yes. Let's blow people up! |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
3159
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Posted - 2013.08.28 12:48:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Breach is awesome- more impact damage than the core. If I was good enough to hit my targets, I'd use the scrambler. I ain't got skills fer DAT! Flaylocks have so small of a splash radius that you might as well go for the direct hit anyway. |
Forlorn Destrier
Bullet Cluster
1467
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Posted - 2013.08.28 12:49:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Breach is awesome- more impact damage than the core. If I was good enough to hit my targets, I'd use the scrambler. I ain't got skills fer DAT!
Scrambler pisto: a lot of fun to use when ninja killing snipers - execution style to the back of the head. |
Keri Starlight
Psygod9
145
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Posted - 2013.08.28 12:51:00 -
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Flays are perfectly fine now. The Core is still pretty good, I must say, despite all the post-nerf QQ.
The STD one will definitely require accurate aiming and a bit of luck. |
superjoe360x
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
56
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Posted - 2013.08.28 13:18:00 -
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They basically killed all flaylocks except for the core. A slight buff to the basic and advanced flaylock is needed in terms of splash radius. I was very accurate with the flaylocks and now its hard even for me to hit stuff with an advanced. I couldn't imagine the standard bro. Sorry to break your heart but the AR abusers go their wish and the nerf hammer fell a touch to hard. Don't waste your SP and go to the typical SMG like almost everyone else.
Its ok for the SMG to be ran as a main weapon and to have the power and damage but if any explosive device has any sort of stopping power ppl complain. Fact is they don't like getting blown up because they were not paying attention while ARing ppl to death. Nor do AR users like to take the high ground. They also run in packs. All these things make auto AR guys a MD and Flaylock users dream kills.
I love when I get hate mail from AR abusers. Ill go work for a bit to secure me some high ground and put in effort just to have some non tactical lazy AR guy complaining about how he got killed a bazillion times by the stupid no aiming MD or Flaylock guy that's above his head. Yet they will keep walking underneath me and they will keep complaining on the forums but they will most likely never put the effort forth to come and get me. So question is why if someone has great tactics do you come on here and complain when you didn't even try to kill me probably. |
OZAROW
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
435
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Posted - 2013.08.28 13:40:00 -
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superjoe360x wrote:They basically killed all flaylocks except for the core. A slight buff to the basic and advanced flaylock is needed in terms of splash radius. I was very accurate with the flaylocks and now its hard even for me to hit stuff with an advanced. I couldn't imagine the standard bro. Sorry to break your heart but the AR abusers go their wish and the nerf hammer fell a touch to hard. Don't waste your SP and go to the typical SMG like almost everyone else.
Its ok for the SMG to be ran as a main weapon and to have the power and damage but if any explosive device has any sort of stopping power ppl complain. Fact is they don't like getting blown up because they were not paying attention while ARing ppl to death. Nor do AR users like to take the high ground. They also run in packs. All these things make auto AR guys a MD and Flaylock users dream kills.
I love when I get hate mail from AR abusers. Ill go work for a bit to secure me some high ground and put in effort just to have some non tactical lazy AR guy complaining about how he got killed a bazillion times by the stupid no aiming MD or Flaylock guy that's above his head. Yet they will keep walking underneath me and they will keep complaining on the forums but they will most likely never put the effort forth to come and get me. So question is why if someone has great tactics do you come on here and complain when you didn't even try to kill me probably. I'm a scout an all u gotta do is close ur eyes an shoot a explosive weapon in a random direction an somehow ill die |
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Knight Soiaire
Better Hide R Die
2076
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Posted - 2013.08.28 13:41:00 -
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Lol at 'They killed the Flaylock'
They didn't, they just made it a sidearm. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
5944
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Posted - 2013.08.28 13:59:00 -
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Mass driver is the new flaylock, you're safe |
bonkersfox
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
206
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Posted - 2013.08.28 15:35:00 -
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I don't think you can use anything other than a basic ar without getting shouted at.
DONT USE-
mass driver flaylock forge gunners, remote exp laser rifle contact grenades or lav
I think everything else is acceptable..
why do you care what people say.. if you weren't killing them, they would be killing you. |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
810
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Posted - 2013.08.28 15:37:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:Lol at 'They killed the Flaylock' They didn't, they just made it a sidearm.
I made it a weapon, suck it.
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CCP Logibro
C C P C C P Alliance
855
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Posted - 2013.08.28 15:39:00 -
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I may or may not have had complaints from other CCPers when I used the plasma cannon once... CCP Logibro // EVE Universe Community Team // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics
@CCP_Logibro |
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Knight Soiaire
Better Hide R Die
2081
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Posted - 2013.08.28 15:40:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:I may or may not have had complaints from other CCPers when I used the plasma cannon once...
PLASMA CANNON NERF CONFIRMED!
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bonkersfox
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
206
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Posted - 2013.08.28 15:41:00 -
[27] - Quote
I don't think iv ever seen a plasma cannon in use |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
823
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Posted - 2013.08.28 15:46:00 -
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the std is rough. good luck w that. even the adv is pretty sketchy. the projectiles like to pass through ppl when you're going for directs since the splash is nonexistent. |
Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1059
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Posted - 2013.08.28 15:47:00 -
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OZAROW wrote:superjoe360x wrote:They basically killed all flaylocks except for the core. A slight buff to the basic and advanced flaylock is needed in terms of splash radius. I was very accurate with the flaylocks and now its hard even for me to hit stuff with an advanced. I couldn't imagine the standard bro. Sorry to break your heart but the AR abusers go their wish and the nerf hammer fell a touch to hard. Don't waste your SP and go to the typical SMG like almost everyone else.
Its ok for the SMG to be ran as a main weapon and to have the power and damage but if any explosive device has any sort of stopping power ppl complain. Fact is they don't like getting blown up because they were not paying attention while ARing ppl to death. Nor do AR users like to take the high ground. They also run in packs. All these things make auto AR guys a MD and Flaylock users dream kills.
I love when I get hate mail from AR abusers. Ill go work for a bit to secure me some high ground and put in effort just to have some non tactical lazy AR guy complaining about how he got killed a bazillion times by the stupid no aiming MD or Flaylock guy that's above his head. Yet they will keep walking underneath me and they will keep complaining on the forums but they will most likely never put the effort forth to come and get me. So question is why if someone has great tactics do you come on here and complain when you didn't even try to kill me probably. I'm a scout an all u gotta do is close ur eyes an shoot a explosive weapon in a random direction an somehow ill die I know right? I've had guys miss their targets right in front of them and hit me instead, it's like damage is pulled towards me or something. |
broonfondle majikthies
P.O.N.A.G.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
208
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Posted - 2013.08.28 15:50:00 -
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My squad make fun of me for using a Basic Flaylock. Then again the next moment they say they like standing back and watching me blast someone.. Good fun though |
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
820
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Posted - 2013.08.28 16:47:00 -
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bonkersfox wrote:I don't think you can use anything other than a basic ar without getting shouted at.
DONT USE-
mass driver flaylock forge gunners, remote exp laser rifle contact grenades or lav
I think everything else is acceptable..
why do you care what people say.. if you weren't killing them, they would be killing you. I stopped using those too.
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Ruthless Lee
The Eliminators
53
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Posted - 2013.08.28 17:33:00 -
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I've recently started using the flaylock ... waited til after the nerf to really sink SP into it. I like it, and it's a good fit for my scout suit...
Especially with my plasma cannon! |
pegasis prime
BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate
719
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Posted - 2013.08.28 17:39:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:who cares?
short of nova knives there isn't a weapon in this game that isn't bitched about.
You are aqare that some fool set up a real nerf the nova knive thread. |
Forlorn Destrier
Bullet Cluster
1471
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Posted - 2013.08.28 17:51:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Spademan wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:calisk galern wrote:who cares?
short of nova knives their isn't a weapon in this game that isn't bitched about. Also, the plasma cannon. You will never hear anybody say "f-ing plasma cannon nub" Nor have I ever seen a complaint about the Laser since the concrete nerf donkey Yeah, a buddy of mine uses and the ELM and he still manages to get kills with it. Think he has prof level 1 or maybe 3 with a complex DMG mod it(though I honestly can't remember cause I was drunk when I asked him)
And that buddy is darn good with the ELM, let me tell you. |
Blue Buggs
L.O.T.I.S.
27
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Posted - 2013.08.28 17:52:00 -
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XiBravo wrote:^ Forge gun, core locus, hundred hand slap*
E.Honda never looked so good |
Tectonic Fusion
the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY
174
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Posted - 2013.08.28 18:02:00 -
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General John Ripper wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Cause I really love those things.
I just don't wanna get yelled at. no one ever cared if you used a basic flaylock.... It was the proto flaylock that was the problem. Go ahead and use the proto flaylock if you want. Whenever I am with my buds and they see a flaylock, they always comment "ohh a flaylock, i haven't seen one of those in a long time" so judging by most reactions i get out of people I know, I would say its safe. Just don't use a mass driver or LLav if you don't want to get yelled at. Mass Drivers are fine. It's those pesky assault rifle. It's OP I swear! |
D legendary hero
THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND
752
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Posted - 2013.08.28 18:03:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:the std is rough. good luck w that. even the adv is pretty sketchy. the projectiles like to pass through ppl when you're going for directs since the splash is nonexistent.
for flaylocks plasma cannon or both?
I know for a fact this is the case with flaylocks. I have operation at level 5 and still people can get away scott free...
I mean really, the explosions occur right on people and they dnt take any damage unless its a direct hit. and even then its a hit-or-miss. So, to be honest this is a trick shot weapon because you were tricked into using it before you wasted your sp |
Tectonic Fusion
the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY
174
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Posted - 2013.08.28 18:03:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Spademan wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:calisk galern wrote:who cares?
short of nova knives their isn't a weapon in this game that isn't bitched about. Also, the plasma cannon. You will never hear anybody say "f-ing plasma cannon nub" Nor have I ever seen a complaint about the Laser since the concrete nerf donkey Yeah, a buddy of mine uses and the ELM and he still manages to get kills with it. Think he has prof level 1 or maybe 3 with a complex DMG mod it(though I honestly can't remember cause I was drunk when I asked him) The standard owns also. I can go 15-3 if I feel like it. But it suck balls in CQC maps unless you find a good camping spot. |
D legendary hero
THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND
752
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Posted - 2013.08.28 18:05:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:General John Ripper wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Cause I really love those things.
I just don't wanna get yelled at. no one ever cared if you used a basic flaylock.... It was the proto flaylock that was the problem. Go ahead and use the proto flaylock if you want. Whenever I am with my buds and they see a flaylock, they always comment "ohh a flaylock, i haven't seen one of those in a long time" so judging by most reactions i get out of people I know, I would say its safe. Just don't use a mass driver or LLav if you don't want to get yelled at. Mass Drivers are fine. It's those pesky assault rifle. It's OP I swear!
AR = OP need I put up the numbers? (dps, ttk, range, ammo, dpc) need I quote the long list of advantages? need i list the disadvantages of which there are none? |
D legendary hero
THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND
752
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Posted - 2013.08.28 18:06:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Spademan wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:calisk galern wrote:who cares?
short of nova knives their isn't a weapon in this game that isn't bitched about. Also, the plasma cannon. You will never hear anybody say "f-ing plasma cannon nub" Nor have I ever seen a complaint about the Laser since the concrete nerf donkey Yeah, a buddy of mine uses and the ELM and he still manages to get kills with it. Think he has prof level 1 or maybe 3 with a complex DMG mod it(though I honestly can't remember cause I was drunk when I asked him) The standard owns also. I can go 15-3 if I feel like it. But it suck balls in CQC maps unless you find a good camping spot.
the standard is pretty garbage bro... thats why no one uses it. I use it, but its hardly worth chicken **** |
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CHIPMINT BUTTERCUP
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
85
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Posted - 2013.08.28 18:06:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:who cares?
short of nova knives there isn't a weapon in this game that isn't bitched about. No one QQ's about the Exile much.
It is my weapon of choice. |
D legendary hero
THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND
753
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Posted - 2013.08.28 18:09:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:Lol at 'They killed the Flaylock' They didn't, they just made it a sidearm.
no they made it a waste of SP.
A side arm is the SMG. A side arm is the scrambler pistol.
flaylock = doesn't work.
you know what they made a primary and a side arm? an AR. because it reloads so fast you dnt need a secondary. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
836
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Posted - 2013.08.28 18:10:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:the std is rough. good luck w that. even the adv is pretty sketchy. the projectiles like to pass through ppl when you're going for directs since the splash is nonexistent. for flaylocks plasma cannon or both? I know for a fact this is the case with flaylocks. I have operation at level 5 and still people can get away scott free... I mean really, the explosions occur right on people and they dnt take any damage unless its a direct hit. and even then its a hit-or-miss. So, to be honest this is a trick shot weapon because you were tricked into using it before you wasted your sp
flaylock. my gn-13 seems to be loaded with blanks most of the time. |
Tectonic Fusion
the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY
174
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Posted - 2013.08.28 18:11:00 -
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ELM is just slightly better than standard. I see no damage difference. |
D legendary hero
THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND
753
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Posted - 2013.08.28 18:17:00 -
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CHIPMINT BUTTERCUP wrote:calisk galern wrote:who cares?
short of nova knives there isn't a weapon in this game that isn't bitched about. No one QQ's about the Exile much. It is my weapon of choice. thats because its an AR |
D legendary hero
THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND
753
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Posted - 2013.08.28 18:20:00 -
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General John Ripper wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Cause I really love those things.
I just don't wanna get yelled at. no one ever cared if you used a basic flaylock.... It was the proto flaylock that was the problem. Go ahead and use the proto flaylock if you want. Whenever I am with my buds and they see a flaylock, they always comment "ohh a flaylock, i haven't seen one of those in a long time" so judging by most reactions i get out of people I know, I would say its safe. Just don't use a mass driver or LLav if you don't want to get yelled at.
but the proto were never really a problem, because they only killed people in CQC. If you were using an AR in CQC you would lose because the AR is a mid range weapon designed for mid range combat. people seem to forget that.
the AR still had more kills that another gun in the game. flaylocks ranked 5th underneath ARs, snipers, shotguns and HMGs. the only reason why scramblers were lower is because people dnt spec into them as often. lazers suck and so did the plasma cannon.
SMGs, were 6th place, and then came everything else.
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D legendary hero
THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND
753
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Posted - 2013.08.28 18:29:00 -
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superjoe360x wrote:They basically killed all flaylocks except for the core. A slight buff to the basic and advanced flaylock is needed in terms of splash radius. I was very accurate with the flaylocks and now its hard even for me to hit stuff with an advanced. I couldn't imagine the standard bro. Sorry to break your heart but the AR abusers go their wish and the nerf hammer fell a touch to hard. Don't waste your SP and go to the typical SMG like almost everyone else.
Its ok for the SMG to be ran as a main weapon and to have the power and damage but if any explosive device has any sort of stopping power ppl complain. Fact is they don't like getting blown up because they were not paying attention while ARing ppl to death. Nor do AR users like to take the high ground. They also run in packs. All these things make auto AR guys a MD and Flaylock users dream kills.
I love when I get hate mail from AR abusers. Ill go work for a bit to secure me some high ground and put in effort just to have some non tactical lazy AR guy complaining about how he got killed a bazillion times by the stupid no aiming MD or Flaylock guy that's above his head. Yet they will keep walking underneath me and they will keep complaining on the forums but they will most likely never put the effort forth to come and get me. So question is why if someone has great tactics do you come on here and complain when you didn't even try to kill me probably.
I agree 100% with this. but you know whats funny?
All they have to do, is back up. literally. they just need to move back to the ARs intended range of mid-range which is far enough to dodge most all explosive weapons. but, like you said the want o beat close range weapons in CQC. unfucking believable.
whats worse is that all the math proves that the AR is in fact OP. but no one want to admit to it. and even when they do no one reacts to it to change it.
no hand held weapon can out dps an AR from 5 meters out to 75m. (even an Assault forgun. it does 158 damage every 4 seconds. every 4 seconds a milita AR can do upwards of 1898 damage without damage mods, proficiency or headshots).
with a dps of 467 a milita Ar can drop a heavy suit with max mods and skills in 3.7 seconds or faster. with proficiency heavy suit dies in 3 seconds or less (with max mods and skills giving it 1591 ehp).
your average heavy suit dies in 2 seconds to a militia AR. 24 bullets is all it takes...
but flaylocks were OP? |
D legendary hero
THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND
753
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Posted - 2013.08.28 18:30:00 -
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OZAROW wrote:superjoe360x wrote:They basically killed all flaylocks except for the core. A slight buff to the basic and advanced flaylock is needed in terms of splash radius. I was very accurate with the flaylocks and now its hard even for me to hit stuff with an advanced. I couldn't imagine the standard bro. Sorry to break your heart but the AR abusers go their wish and the nerf hammer fell a touch to hard. Don't waste your SP and go to the typical SMG like almost everyone else.
Its ok for the SMG to be ran as a main weapon and to have the power and damage but if any explosive device has any sort of stopping power ppl complain. Fact is they don't like getting blown up because they were not paying attention while ARing ppl to death. Nor do AR users like to take the high ground. They also run in packs. All these things make auto AR guys a MD and Flaylock users dream kills.
I love when I get hate mail from AR abusers. Ill go work for a bit to secure me some high ground and put in effort just to have some non tactical lazy AR guy complaining about how he got killed a bazillion times by the stupid no aiming MD or Flaylock guy that's above his head. Yet they will keep walking underneath me and they will keep complaining on the forums but they will most likely never put the effort forth to come and get me. So question is why if someone has great tactics do you come on here and complain when you didn't even try to kill me probably. I'm a scout an all u gotta do is close ur eyes an shoot a explosive weapon in a random direction an somehow ill die
thats not the explosives fault thats because scouts suck and need a buff |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
836
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Posted - 2013.08.28 18:38:00 -
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they really do need to up the splash as right now std thru adv are just crap 3 shot pistols that can't kill anyone while my toxin SMG can be ran as a main .
like the mass driver at the beginning of uprising they over nerfed it and made it almost useless with its lack of reliability. |
D legendary hero
THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND
753
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Posted - 2013.08.28 18:44:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:they really do need to up the splash as right now std thru adv are just crap 3 shot pistols that can't kill anyone while my toxin SMG can be ran as a main .
like the mass driver at the beginning of uprising they over nerfed it and made it almost useless with its lack of reliability.
precisely, why I not only needs a buff but deserves to be restored to its original condition, or at least a radius buff. |
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Vin Mora
Sanguis Defense Syndicate
103
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Posted - 2013.08.28 18:53:00 -
[51] - Quote
Cody Sietz wrote:calisk galern wrote:who cares?
short of nova knives their isn't a weapon in this game that isn't bitched about. Also, the plasma cannon. You will never hear anybody say "f-ing plasma cannon nub" I got my first (and currently only) hate over killing someone with the Plasma Cannon.
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Shotty GoBang
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
688
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Posted - 2013.08.28 22:15:00 -
[52] - Quote
pegasis prime wrote:calisk galern wrote:who cares?
short of nova knives there isn't a weapon in this game that isn't bitched about. You are aqare that some fool set up a real nerf the nova knive thread. ^ Truth. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=98888
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Commander KaBOOM
The Eliminators
18
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Posted - 2013.08.28 22:39:00 -
[53] - Quote
Cody Sietz wrote:calisk galern wrote:who cares?
short of nova knives their isn't a weapon in this game that isn't bitched about. Also, the plasma cannon. You will never hear anybody say "f-ing plasma cannon nub" Actually, I've gotten that a couple of times. |
TunRa
Gravity Prone EoN.
90
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Posted - 2013.08.28 22:45:00 -
[54] - Quote
Cody Sietz wrote:calisk galern wrote:who cares?
short of nova knives their isn't a weapon in this game that isn't bitched about. Also, the plasma cannon. You will never hear anybody say "f-ing plasma cannon nub" I actualy heard somebody say, "WTF they killed me with a PLASMA CANNON? BULL! CCP needs to do something about that." Also I'v heard people complain about the SP. Mostly when the person using it gets a headshot on them and they die instantly. |
D legendary hero
THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND
759
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Posted - 2013.08.28 22:51:00 -
[55] - Quote
why hasnt CCP noticed the trend that everything that isnt an AR is deemed OP?!
the ONLY reason the TAC was nerfed was because everyone who had SP in ARs was using it AND the entire non-AR community simultaeously threatened to stop playing the game. player count was decreasing fast because of it.
player count didn't decrease because of Lazers, MD or flaylocks. nor HMGs |
Viktor Zokas
High-Damage
300
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Posted - 2013.08.28 23:37:00 -
[56] - Quote
Cody Sietz wrote:Cause I really love those things.
I just don't wanna get yelled at.
If someone yells at you. Just tell them you'll ***** slap them like you're their pimp and you can do what you want. That's what I tell people at least. |
Kage Roth
Wolf-Monkey Bastards
41
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Posted - 2013.08.28 23:43:00 -
[57] - Quote
Cody Sietz wrote:calisk galern wrote:who cares?
short of nova knives their isn't a weapon in this game that isn't bitched about. Also, the plasma cannon. You will never hear anybody say "f-ing plasma cannon nub"
I actually did see one thread that complained about the plasma cannon in PC. Though the thread specifically said it wasn't really a problem in pub matches. Only the one thread though, most every one else either says it is broken or amazingly fun. Personally I think it is amazingly fun and my go to weapon for guerrilla warfare.
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Minor Treat
The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo
73
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Posted - 2013.08.29 03:10:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Cause I really love those things.
I just don't wanna get yelled at. actually dude the basic is still very deadly but to be deadly with this basic flaylock you need to skill into flaylock operation levels because each level you get the blast radius increases. Don't underestimate any basic weapon when its skilled into. Remember the weapons are really dangerous when skilled into and equipped with the right module against the right enemy. |
D legendary hero
THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND
762
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Posted - 2013.08.29 03:15:00 -
[59] - Quote
Minor Treat wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Cause I really love those things.
I just don't wanna get yelled at. actually dude the basic is still very deadly but to be deadly with this basic flaylock you need to skill into flaylock operation levels because each level you get the blast radius increases. Don't underestimate any basic weapon when its skilled into. Remember the weapons are really dangerous when skilled into and equipped with the right module against the right enemy.
i have it at level 5 and lvl 3 (operation) on my main and alt and the Standard is still pretty **** poor bro... once hit detection comp in, movement speed is reduced, and even auto-aim (i dnt use it), they might be better, but right now... my flaylock fires confetti.
all the guns that got nerfed fire confetti
the heavy confetti gun the confetti driver the confettilock pistol the flashlight (lazer) the confetti cannon confetti ships
just to name a few
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Flux Raeder
WarRavens League of Infamy
171
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Posted - 2013.08.29 03:36:00 -
[60] - Quote
Honestly, why do you care whether people don't like you using a weapon? People hate on me all the time cause I lay a beat down on them with a sniper rifle from about a dozen places in the map, especially when I am running on the field and shoot them from about a yard away while still strafing. (red-lining a whole match is for bitches)
I love my hate mail, they just show that I am doing something right. I've saved most of the good ones for the warm fuzzy feels. |
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
1047
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Posted - 2013.08.29 04:18:00 -
[61] - Quote
19/2 in one match tonight. One kill using MD, the rest using AR or SMG. Still got mail about LOL MD. Use what you want. Don't worry about their opinions. I'm still thinking about training more into Flaylock because it comes from the Matar Motherland. |
OZAROW
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
439
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Posted - 2013.08.29 05:08:00 -
[62] - Quote
True yet not true, buy itself it may suck but last night some dude from RND went 19/0 with the core on a minmatar assault mk0 , so I tested the theory an use my mini med advanced frame that only has 3 high instead of 5 an put 2complex side dams to add to my proficiency 3 faylock an I went 15/3 with under 300 shields so I imagine with pro 5 an 3side dams you could probably wreck most suits in two shots, one for shields an the killshot, not really my play style but had to test its effectiveness mon the less |
superjoe360x
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
59
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Posted - 2013.08.29 05:17:00 -
[63] - Quote
OZAROW wrote:superjoe360x wrote:They basically killed all flaylocks except for the core. A slight buff to the basic and advanced flaylock is needed in terms of splash radius. I was very accurate with the flaylocks and now its hard even for me to hit stuff with an advanced. I couldn't imagine the standard bro. Sorry to break your heart but the AR abusers go their wish and the nerf hammer fell a touch to hard. Don't waste your SP and go to the typical SMG like almost everyone else.
Its ok for the SMG to be ran as a main weapon and to have the power and damage but if any explosive device has any sort of stopping power ppl complain. Fact is they don't like getting blown up because they were not paying attention while ARing ppl to death. Nor do AR users like to take the high ground. They also run in packs. All these things make auto AR guys a MD and Flaylock users dream kills.
I love when I get hate mail from AR abusers. Ill go work for a bit to secure me some high ground and put in effort just to have some non tactical lazy AR guy complaining about how he got killed a bazillion times by the stupid no aiming MD or Flaylock guy that's above his head. Yet they will keep walking underneath me and they will keep complaining on the forums but they will most likely never put the effort forth to come and get me. So question is why if someone has great tactics do you come on here and complain when you didn't even try to kill me probably. I'm a scout an all u gotta do is close ur eyes an shoot a explosive weapon in a random direction an somehow ill die Lmao agreed they need to buff scouts you guys are casualtys of things you cant even help. |
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CCP Rattati
C C P C C P Alliance
184
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Posted - 2013.08.29 11:10:00 -
[64] - Quote
Cody Sietz wrote:Ruthless Lee wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:calisk galern wrote:who cares?
short of nova knives their isn't a weapon in this game that isn't bitched about. Also, the plasma cannon. You will never hear anybody say "f-ing plasma cannon nub" Actually ... not true. I have a corp mate who has gotten hate mail twice ... both times for killing somebody with the plasma cannon Seriously? I can't be angry if I get killed by a plasma cannon or nova knife, as a matter of fact, I will send some love mail next time it happens.
I will try to kill you with my Plasma Cannon, would be pretty cool to get a love mail |
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THEAMAZING POTHEAD
Pure Innocence. EoN.
291
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Posted - 2013.08.29 11:18:00 -
[65] - Quote
CCP Rattati wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Ruthless Lee wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:calisk galern wrote:who cares?
short of nova knives their isn't a weapon in this game that isn't bitched about. Also, the plasma cannon. You will never hear anybody say "f-ing plasma cannon nub" Actually ... not true. I have a corp mate who has gotten hate mail twice ... both times for killing somebody with the plasma cannon Seriously? I can't be angry if I get killed by a plasma cannon or nova knife, as a matter of fact, I will send some love mail next time it happens. I will try to kill you with my Plasma Cannon, would be pretty cool to get a love mail Well thats just it, people can't get angry when they're slayed by really hard to use weapons like the plasma cannon. If you want some real "love mail" sit on a roof with a forge gun or 1 shot an expensive dropship with a wirkomi breach forge gun w/ complex damage mods & proficiency 3+. WOOO do i have a collection of "love mail" hahaha. |
bonkersfox
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
209
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Posted - 2013.08.29 11:26:00 -
[66] - Quote
bonkersfox wrote:I don't think you can use anything other than a basic ar without getting shouted at.
DONT USE-
mass driver flaylock forge gunners, remote exp laser rifle contact grenades or lav
I think everything else is acceptable..
why do you care what people say.. if you weren't killing them, they would be killing you.
damn i forgot about the melee, you cant do that either |
reydient
ROGUE SPADES EoN.
94
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Posted - 2013.08.29 11:49:00 -
[67] - Quote
O yes, I have gotten quite surgical with the plasma cannon- Kill Feed says reydient " plasma cannon " [ insert your avatar name] OFTEN.
The love mail comes, and all of a sudden I have no skills- but if I ran my duvolle with pro 4 , AR would be OP.
but seriously, its intensely gratifying to get a kill with the plasma cannon - |
steadyhand amarr
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1170
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Posted - 2013.08.29 12:21:00 -
[68] - Quote
When I get by the PC I normally turn my PS3 off and flay myself for a bit :-P |
Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
827
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Posted - 2013.08.29 13:07:00 -
[69] - Quote
CCP Rattati wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Ruthless Lee wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:calisk galern wrote:who cares?
short of nova knives their isn't a weapon in this game that isn't bitched about. Also, the plasma cannon. You will never hear anybody say "f-ing plasma cannon nub" Actually ... not true. I have a corp mate who has gotten hate mail twice ... both times for killing somebody with the plasma cannon Seriously? I can't be angry if I get killed by a plasma cannon or nova knife, as a matter of fact, I will send some love mail next time it happens. I will try to kill you with my Plasma Cannon, would be pretty cool to get a love mail ok! *runs into open field and spins*
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Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
2555
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Posted - 2013.08.29 13:20:00 -
[70] - Quote
CCP Rattati wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Ruthless Lee wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:calisk galern wrote:who cares?
short of nova knives their isn't a weapon in this game that isn't bitched about. Also, the plasma cannon. You will never hear anybody say "f-ing plasma cannon nub" Actually ... not true. I have a corp mate who has gotten hate mail twice ... both times for killing somebody with the plasma cannon Seriously? I can't be angry if I get killed by a plasma cannon or nova knife, as a matter of fact, I will send some love mail next time it happens. I will try to kill you with my Plasma Cannon, would be pretty cool to get a love mail
Caldari Biomass outpost. Get on-top of the building overlooking Bravo and fire at the clone reserve unit.
Went 34-2 using a Plasma Cannon that match. Longest kill was 250m. |
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Driftward
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
427
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Posted - 2013.08.29 15:06:00 -
[71] - Quote
I feel intensely dirty when I use my remote explosives. Like it's a cheap kill. Because it is. Hate mail well deserved.
Unfortunately, people still keep running at me when I disappear around a corner or keep spawning in on that CRU....Need me some more Irish Spring. |
Commander Tuna
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
84
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Posted - 2013.08.29 15:17:00 -
[72] - Quote
D legendary hero wrote:superjoe360x wrote:They basically killed all flaylocks except for the core. A slight buff to the basic and advanced flaylock is needed in terms of splash radius. I was very accurate with the flaylocks and now its hard even for me to hit stuff with an advanced. I couldn't imagine the standard bro. Sorry to break your heart but the AR abusers go their wish and the nerf hammer fell a touch to hard. Don't waste your SP and go to the typical SMG like almost everyone else.
Its ok for the SMG to be ran as a main weapon and to have the power and damage but if any explosive device has any sort of stopping power ppl complain. Fact is they don't like getting blown up because they were not paying attention while ARing ppl to death. Nor do AR users like to take the high ground. They also run in packs. All these things make auto AR guys a MD and Flaylock users dream kills.
I love when I get hate mail from AR abusers. Ill go work for a bit to secure me some high ground and put in effort just to have some non tactical lazy AR guy complaining about how he got killed a bazillion times by the stupid no aiming MD or Flaylock guy that's above his head. Yet they will keep walking underneath me and they will keep complaining on the forums but they will most likely never put the effort forth to come and get me. So question is why if someone has great tactics do you come on here and complain when you didn't even try to kill me probably. I agree 100% with this. but you know whats funny? All they have to do, is back up. literally. they just need to move back to the ARs intended range of mid-range which is far enough to dodge most all explosive weapons. but, like you said the want o beat close range weapons in CQC. unfucking believable. whats worse is that all the math proves that the AR is in fact OP. but no one want to admit to it. and even when they do no one reacts to it to change it. no hand held weapon can out dps an AR from 5 meters out to 75m. (even an Assault forgun. it does 1538 damage every 4 seconds. every 4 seconds a milita AR can do upwards of 1898 damage without damage mods, proficiency or headshots). with a dps of 467 a milita Ar can drop a heavy suit with max mods and skills in 3.7 seconds or faster. with proficiency heavy suit dies in 3 seconds or less (with max mods and skills giving it 1591 ehp). your average heavy suit dies in 2 seconds to a militia AR. 24 bullets is all it takes... but flaylocks were OP? Lol you cannot kill a heavy suit with half a clip of a militia ar. You are bonkers.
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Tectonic Fusion
the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY
176
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Posted - 2013.08.29 17:24:00 -
[73] - Quote
Commander Tuna wrote:D legendary hero wrote:superjoe360x wrote:They basically killed all flaylocks except for the core. A slight buff to the basic and advanced flaylock is needed in terms of splash radius. I was very accurate with the flaylocks and now its hard even for me to hit stuff with an advanced. I couldn't imagine the standard bro. Sorry to break your heart but the AR abusers go their wish and the nerf hammer fell a touch to hard. Don't waste your SP and go to the typical SMG like almost everyone else.
Its ok for the SMG to be ran as a main weapon and to have the power and damage but if any explosive device has any sort of stopping power ppl complain. Fact is they don't like getting blown up because they were not paying attention while ARing ppl to death. Nor do AR users like to take the high ground. They also run in packs. All these things make auto AR guys a MD and Flaylock users dream kills.
I love when I get hate mail from AR abusers. Ill go work for a bit to secure me some high ground and put in effort just to have some non tactical lazy AR guy complaining about how he got killed a bazillion times by the stupid no aiming MD or Flaylock guy that's above his head. Yet they will keep walking underneath me and they will keep complaining on the forums but they will most likely never put the effort forth to come and get me. So question is why if someone has great tactics do you come on here and complain when you didn't even try to kill me probably. I agree 100% with this. but you know whats funny? All they have to do, is back up. literally. they just need to move back to the ARs intended range of mid-range which is far enough to dodge most all explosive weapons. but, like you said the want o beat close range weapons in CQC. unfucking believable. whats worse is that all the math proves that the AR is in fact OP. but no one want to admit to it. and even when they do no one reacts to it to change it. no hand held weapon can out dps an AR from 5 meters out to 75m. (even an Assault forgun. it does 1538 damage every 4 seconds. every 4 seconds a milita AR can do upwards of 1898 damage without damage mods, proficiency or headshots). with a dps of 467 a milita Ar can drop a heavy suit with max mods and skills in 3.7 seconds or faster. with proficiency heavy suit dies in 3 seconds or less (with max mods and skills giving it 1591 ehp). your average heavy suit dies in 2 seconds to a militia AR. 24 bullets is all it takes... but flaylocks were OP? Lol you cannot kill a heavy suit with half a clip of a militia ar. You are bonkers. *with max mods and skills* |
D legendary hero
THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND
768
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Posted - 2013.08.29 19:57:00 -
[74] - Quote
Reav Hannari wrote:19/2 in one match tonight. One kill using MD, the rest using AR or SMG. Still got mail about LOL MD. Use what you want. Don't worry about their opinions. I'm still thinking about training more into Flaylock because it comes from the Matar Motherland.
have you noticed how all the minmintar weapons except the SMG have gotten nerfed...
the MD, flaylock, HMG and contact grenades. all nerfed. they want to nerf locus grenades too. (contact grenades need to become sticky grenades) |
D legendary hero
THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND
768
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Posted - 2013.08.29 20:13:00 -
[75] - Quote
Tectonic Fusion wrote:Commander Tuna wrote:D legendary hero wrote:superjoe360x wrote:They basically killed all flaylocks except for the core. A slight buff to the basic and advanced flaylock is needed in terms of splash radius. I was very accurate with the flaylocks and now its hard even for me to hit stuff with an advanced. I couldn't imagine the standard bro. Sorry to break your heart but the AR abusers go their wish and the nerf hammer fell a touch to hard. Don't waste your SP and go to the typical SMG like almost everyone else.
Its ok for the SMG to be ran as a main weapon and to have the power and damage but if any explosive device has any sort of stopping power ppl complain. Fact is they don't like getting blown up because they were not paying attention while ARing ppl to death. Nor do AR users like to take the high ground. They also run in packs. All these things make auto AR guys a MD and Flaylock users dream kills.
I love when I get hate mail from AR abusers. Ill go work for a bit to secure me some high ground and put in effort just to have some non tactical lazy AR guy complaining about how he got killed a bazillion times by the stupid no aiming MD or Flaylock guy that's above his head. Yet they will keep walking underneath me and they will keep complaining on the forums but they will most likely never put the effort forth to come and get me. So question is why if someone has great tactics do you come on here and complain when you didn't even try to kill me probably. I agree 100% with this. but you know whats funny? All they have to do, is back up. literally. they just need to move back to the ARs intended range of mid-range which is far enough to dodge most all explosive weapons. but, like you said the want o beat close range weapons in CQC. unfucking believable. whats worse is that all the math proves that the AR is in fact OP. but no one want to admit to it. and even when they do no one reacts to it to change it. no hand held weapon can out dps an AR from 5 meters out to 75m. (even an Assault forgun. it does 1538 damage every 4 seconds. every 4 seconds a milita AR can do upwards of 1898 damage without damage mods, proficiency or headshots). with a dps of 467 a milita Ar can drop a heavy suit with max mods and skills in 3.7 seconds or faster. with proficiency heavy suit dies in 3 seconds or less (with max mods and skills giving it 1591 ehp). your average heavy suit dies in 2 seconds to a militia AR. 24 bullets is all it takes... but flaylocks were OP? Lol you cannot kill a heavy suit with half a clip of a militia ar. You are bonkers. *with max mods and skills*
milita AR dps = 467 (no damage mods. no proficiency)
heavy with proto mods, proto suit, and lvl5 skills max ehp. 1591
1591 ehp /467 ehp per second = 3.4 seconds
34*1.1 = 37.4
37.4 = damage per shot.
1591/37.4 = 42 shots
42/48 = 88% of your clip.
milita AR dps = 537.05 (with proficiency and no damage mods
heavy with proto mods, proto suit, and lvl5 skills max ehp = 1591
1591/537.05 = 2.9 seconds
34 *1.25 = 42.5 damage per shot
1591/42.5 = 37 shots
37/48 = 77% of clip.
milita AR dps = 467 (no mods, skills)
Average heavy median ehp = 1000 (not all heavies have core upgrades to max. some use armor plates others dnt. on average this is the ehp of a heavy the lowest ehp being 800 highest being 1591)
1000/467 = 2.1 seconds
37.4 damage per shot
1000/37.4 = 26 shots
26/48 = 54% of your clip to kill your average heavy.
militia AR dps = 537.05 (w/ proficiency, no damage mods)
average heavy median ehp 1000 (the actual median is 1200, but do to fitting requirements reaching this without going over the median is impossible)
1000/537.05 = 1.8 seconds
42.5 damage per shot
1000/42.5 = 24
24/48 = 50%
half your clip to kill your average heavy. |
D legendary hero
THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND
768
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Posted - 2013.08.29 20:17:00 -
[76] - Quote
OZAROW wrote:True yet not true, buy itself it may suck but last night some dude from RND went 19/0 with the core on a minmatar assault mk0 , so I tested the theory an use my mini med advanced frame that only has 3 high instead of 5 an put 2complex side dams to add to my proficiency 3 faylock an I went 15/3 with under 300 shields so I imagine with pro 5 an 3side dams you could probably wreck most suits in two shots, one for shields an the killshot, not really my play style but had to test its effectiveness mon the less
you could do it better with SMGs
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Knight Soiaire
Better Hide R Die
2136
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Posted - 2013.08.29 20:33:00 -
[77] - Quote
D legendary hero wrote:Knight Soiaire wrote:Lol at 'They killed the Flaylock' They didn't, they just made it a sidearm. no they made it a waste of SP. A side arm is the SMG. A side arm is the scrambler pistol. flaylock = doesn't work. you know what they made a primary and a side arm? an AR. because it reloads so fast you dnt need a secondary.
I'm happy with my Core Flaylock.
It still hardly takes any PG/CPU away from my Scout, the radius and damage was ridiculous, adjust your aim, aim for the body, anything, its not hard. |
D legendary hero
THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND
768
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Posted - 2013.08.29 20:44:00 -
[78] - Quote
Knight Soiaire wrote:D legendary hero wrote:Knight Soiaire wrote:Lol at 'They killed the Flaylock' They didn't, they just made it a sidearm. no they made it a waste of SP. A side arm is the SMG. A side arm is the scrambler pistol. flaylock = doesn't work. you know what they made a primary and a side arm? an AR. because it reloads so fast you dnt need a secondary. I'm happy with my Core Flaylock. It still hardly takes any PG/CPU away from my Scout, the radius and damage was ridiculous, adjust your aim, aim for the body, anything, its not hard.
the proto is the only half decent flaylock, and even at that its pretty lame....
I use standard and ADV but they suck now. It also, doesn't help that I use heavy suits. but even on my light suits the gun itself is pretty lame.
if you need PROTO for a gun to be usable then its broken. period.
look at the lazers. the only usable one is the viziam PROTO.
HMGS you need ADV or higher to get any effect. |
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