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D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 752	Posted - 2013.08.28 18:03:00 - [1] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: the std is rough. good luck w that. even the adv is pretty sketchy. the projectiles like to pass through ppl when you're going for directs since the splash is nonexistent. for flaylocks plasma cannon or both? I know for a fact this is the case with flaylocks. I have operation at level 5 and still people can get away scott free... I mean really, the explosions occur right on people and they dnt take any damage unless its a direct hit. and even then its a hit-or-miss. So, to be honest this is a trick shot weapon because you were tricked into using it before you wasted your sp
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 752	Posted - 2013.08.28 18:05:00 - [2] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: General John Ripper wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Cause I really love those things. I just don't wanna get yelled at. no one ever cared if you used a basic flaylock.... It was the proto flaylock that was the problem. Go ahead and use the proto flaylock if you want. Whenever I am with my buds and they see a flaylock, they always comment "ohh a flaylock, i haven't seen one of those in a long time" so judging by most reactions i get out of people I know, I would say its safe. Just don't use a mass driver or LLav if you don't want to get yelled at. Mass Drivers are fine. It's those pesky assault rifle. It's OP I swear! AR = OP need I put up the numbers? (dps, ttk, range, ammo, dpc) need I quote the long list of advantages? need i list the disadvantages of which there are none?
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 752	Posted - 2013.08.28 18:06:00 - [3] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Spademan wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: calisk galern wrote: who cares? short of nova knives their isn't a weapon in this game that isn't bitched about. Also, the plasma cannon. You will never hear anybody say "f-ing plasma cannon nub" Nor have I ever seen a complaint about the Laser since the concrete nerf donkey Yeah, a buddy of mine uses and the ELM and he still manages to get kills with it. Think he has prof level 1 or maybe 3 with a complex DMG mod it(though I honestly can't remember cause I was drunk when I asked him) The standard owns also. I can go 15-3 if I feel like it. But it suck balls in CQC maps unless you find a good camping spot. the standard is pretty garbage bro... thats why no one uses it. I use it, but its hardly worth chicken ****
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 753	Posted - 2013.08.28 18:09:00 - [4] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: Lol at 'They killed the Flaylock' They didn't, they just made it a sidearm. no they made it a waste of SP. A side arm is the SMG. A side arm is the scrambler pistol. flaylock = doesn't work. you know what they made a primary and a side arm? an AR. because it reloads so fast you dnt need a secondary.
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 753	Posted - 2013.08.28 18:17:00 - [5] - Quote CHIPMINT BUTTERCUP wrote: calisk galern wrote: who cares? short of nova knives there isn't a weapon in this game that isn't bitched about. No one QQ's about the Exile much. It is my weapon of choice. thats because its an AR
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 753	Posted - 2013.08.28 18:20:00 - [6] - Quote General John Ripper wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Cause I really love those things. I just don't wanna get yelled at. no one ever cared if you used a basic flaylock.... It was the proto flaylock that was the problem. Go ahead and use the proto flaylock if you want. Whenever I am with my buds and they see a flaylock, they always comment "ohh a flaylock, i haven't seen one of those in a long time" so judging by most reactions i get out of people I know, I would say its safe. Just don't use a mass driver or LLav if you don't want to get yelled at. but the proto were never really a problem, because they only killed people in CQC. If you were using an AR in CQC you would lose because the AR is a mid range weapon designed for mid range combat. people seem to forget that. the AR still had more kills that another gun in the game. flaylocks ranked 5th underneath ARs, snipers, shotguns and HMGs. the only reason why scramblers were lower is because people dnt spec into them as often. lazers suck and so did the plasma cannon. SMGs, were 6th place, and then came everything else.
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 753	Posted - 2013.08.28 18:29:00 - [7] - Quote superjoe360x wrote: They basically killed all flaylocks except for the core. A slight buff to the basic and advanced flaylock is needed in terms of splash radius. I was very accurate with the flaylocks and now its hard even for me to hit stuff with an advanced. I couldn't imagine the standard bro. Sorry to break your heart but the AR abusers go their wish and the nerf hammer fell a touch to hard. Don't waste your SP and go to the typical SMG like almost everyone else. Its ok for the SMG to be ran as a main weapon and to have the power and damage but if any explosive device has any sort of stopping power ppl complain. Fact is they don't like getting blown up because they were not paying attention while ARing ppl to death. Nor do AR users like to take the high ground. They also run in packs. All these things make auto AR guys a MD and Flaylock users dream kills. I love when I get hate mail from AR abusers. Ill go work for a bit to secure me some high ground and put in effort just to have some non tactical lazy AR guy complaining about how he got killed a bazillion times by the stupid no aiming MD or Flaylock guy that's above his head. Yet they will keep walking underneath me and they will keep complaining on the forums but they will most likely never put the effort forth to come and get me. So question is why if someone has great tactics do you come on here and complain when you didn't even try to kill me probably. I agree 100% with this. but you know whats funny? All they have to do, is back up. literally. they just need to move back to the ARs intended range of mid-range which is far enough to dodge most all explosive weapons. but, like you said the want o beat close range weapons in CQC. unfucking believable. whats worse is that all the math proves that the AR is in fact OP. but no one want to admit to it. and even when they do no one reacts to it to change it. no hand held weapon can out dps an AR from 5 meters out to 75m. (even an Assault forgun. it does 158 damage every 4 seconds. every 4 seconds a milita AR can do upwards of 1898 damage without damage mods, proficiency or headshots). with a dps of 467 a milita Ar can drop a heavy suit with max mods and skills in 3.7 seconds or faster. with proficiency heavy suit dies in 3 seconds or less (with max mods and skills giving it 1591 ehp). your average heavy suit dies in 2 seconds to a militia AR. 24 bullets is all it takes... but flaylocks were OP?
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 753	Posted - 2013.08.28 18:30:00 - [8] - Quote OZAROW wrote: superjoe360x wrote: They basically killed all flaylocks except for the core. A slight buff to the basic and advanced flaylock is needed in terms of splash radius. I was very accurate with the flaylocks and now its hard even for me to hit stuff with an advanced. I couldn't imagine the standard bro. Sorry to break your heart but the AR abusers go their wish and the nerf hammer fell a touch to hard. Don't waste your SP and go to the typical SMG like almost everyone else. Its ok for the SMG to be ran as a main weapon and to have the power and damage but if any explosive device has any sort of stopping power ppl complain. Fact is they don't like getting blown up because they were not paying attention while ARing ppl to death. Nor do AR users like to take the high ground. They also run in packs. All these things make auto AR guys a MD and Flaylock users dream kills. I love when I get hate mail from AR abusers. Ill go work for a bit to secure me some high ground and put in effort just to have some non tactical lazy AR guy complaining about how he got killed a bazillion times by the stupid no aiming MD or Flaylock guy that's above his head. Yet they will keep walking underneath me and they will keep complaining on the forums but they will most likely never put the effort forth to come and get me. So question is why if someone has great tactics do you come on here and complain when you didn't even try to kill me probably. I'm a scout an all u gotta do is close ur eyes an shoot a explosive weapon in a random direction an somehow ill die thats not the explosives fault thats because scouts suck and need a buff
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 753	Posted - 2013.08.28 18:44:00 - [9] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: they really do need to up the splash as right now std thru adv are just crap 3 shot pistols that can't kill anyone while my toxin SMG can be ran as a main . like the mass driver at the beginning of uprising they over nerfed it and made it almost useless with its lack of reliability. precisely, why I not only needs a buff but deserves to be restored to its original condition, or at least a radius buff.
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 759	Posted - 2013.08.28 22:51:00 - [10] - Quote why hasnt CCP noticed the trend that everything that isnt an AR is deemed OP?! the ONLY reason the TAC was nerfed was because everyone who had SP in ARs was using it AND the entire non-AR community simultaeously threatened to stop playing the game. player count was decreasing fast because of it. player count didn't decrease because of Lazers, MD or flaylocks. nor HMGs

D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 762	Posted - 2013.08.29 03:15:00 - [11] - Quote Minor Treat wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Cause I really love those things. I just don't wanna get yelled at. actually dude the basic is still very deadly but to be deadly with this basic flaylock you need to skill into flaylock operation levels because each level you get the blast radius increases. Don't underestimate any basic weapon when its skilled into. Remember the weapons are really dangerous when skilled into and equipped with the right module against the right enemy. i have it at level 5 and lvl 3 (operation) on my main and alt and the Standard is still pretty **** poor bro... once hit detection comp in, movement speed is reduced, and even auto-aim (i dnt use it), they might be better, but right now... my flaylock fires confetti. all the guns that got nerfed fire confetti the heavy confetti gun the confetti driver the confettilock pistol the flashlight (lazer) the confetti cannon confetti ships just to name a few
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 768	Posted - 2013.08.29 19:57:00 - [12] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: 19/2 in one match tonight. One kill using MD, the rest using AR or SMG. Still got mail about LOL MD. Use what you want. Don't worry about their opinions. I'm still thinking about training more into Flaylock because it comes from the Matar Motherland. have you noticed how all the minmintar weapons except the SMG have gotten nerfed... the MD, flaylock, HMG and contact grenades. all nerfed. they want to nerf locus grenades too. (contact grenades need to become sticky grenades)
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 768	Posted - 2013.08.29 20:13:00 - [13] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Commander Tuna wrote: D legendary hero wrote: superjoe360x wrote: They basically killed all flaylocks except for the core. A slight buff to the basic and advanced flaylock is needed in terms of splash radius. I was very accurate with the flaylocks and now its hard even for me to hit stuff with an advanced. I couldn't imagine the standard bro. Sorry to break your heart but the AR abusers go their wish and the nerf hammer fell a touch to hard. Don't waste your SP and go to the typical SMG like almost everyone else. Its ok for the SMG to be ran as a main weapon and to have the power and damage but if any explosive device has any sort of stopping power ppl complain. Fact is they don't like getting blown up because they were not paying attention while ARing ppl to death. Nor do AR users like to take the high ground. They also run in packs. All these things make auto AR guys a MD and Flaylock users dream kills. I love when I get hate mail from AR abusers. Ill go work for a bit to secure me some high ground and put in effort just to have some non tactical lazy AR guy complaining about how he got killed a bazillion times by the stupid no aiming MD or Flaylock guy that's above his head. Yet they will keep walking underneath me and they will keep complaining on the forums but they will most likely never put the effort forth to come and get me. So question is why if someone has great tactics do you come on here and complain when you didn't even try to kill me probably. I agree 100% with this. but you know whats funny? All they have to do, is back up. literally. they just need to move back to the ARs intended range of mid-range which is far enough to dodge most all explosive weapons. but, like you said the want o beat close range weapons in CQC. unfucking believable. whats worse is that all the math proves that the AR is in fact OP. but no one want to admit to it. and even when they do no one reacts to it to change it. no hand held weapon can out dps an AR from 5 meters out to 75m. (even an Assault forgun. it does 1538 damage every 4 seconds. every 4 seconds a milita AR can do upwards of 1898 damage without damage mods, proficiency or headshots). with a dps of 467 a milita Ar can drop a heavy suit with max mods and skills in 3.7 seconds or faster. with proficiency heavy suit dies in 3 seconds or less (with max mods and skills giving it 1591 ehp). your average heavy suit dies in 2 seconds to a militia AR. 24 bullets is all it takes... but flaylocks were OP? Lol you cannot kill a heavy suit with half a clip of a militia ar. You are bonkers. with max mods and skills milita AR dps = 467 (no damage mods. no proficiency) heavy with proto mods, proto suit, and lvl5 skills max ehp. 1591 1591 ehp /467 ehp per second = 3.4 seconds 341.1 = 37.4 37.4 = damage per shot. 1591/37.4 = 42 shots 42/48 = 88% of your clip. milita AR dps = 537.05 (with proficiency and no damage mods heavy with proto mods, proto suit, and lvl5 skills max ehp = 1591 1591/537.05 = 2.9 seconds 34 1.25 = 42.5 damage per shot 1591/42.5 = 37 shots 37/48 = 77% of clip. milita AR dps = 467 (no mods, skills) Average heavy median ehp = 1000 (not all heavies have core upgrades to max. some use armor plates others dnt. on average this is the ehp of a heavy the lowest ehp being 800 highest being 1591) 1000/467 = 2.1 seconds 37.4 damage per shot 1000/37.4 = 26 shots 26/48 = 54% of your clip to kill your average heavy. militia AR dps = 537.05 (w/ proficiency, no damage mods) average heavy median ehp 1000 (the actual median is 1200, but do to fitting requirements reaching this without going over the median is impossible) 1000/537.05 = 1.8 seconds 42.5 damage per shot 1000/42.5 = 24 24/48 = 50% half your clip to kill your average heavy.
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 768	Posted - 2013.08.29 20:17:00 - [14] - Quote OZAROW wrote: True yet not true, buy itself it may suck but last night some dude from RND went 19/0 with the core on a minmatar assault mk0 , so I tested the theory an use my mini med advanced frame that only has 3 high instead of 5 an put 2complex side dams to add to my proficiency 3 faylock an I went 15/3 with under 300 shields so I imagine with pro 5 an 3side dams you could probably wreck most suits in two shots, one for shields an the killshot, not really my play style but had to test its effectiveness mon the less you could do it better with SMGs
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 768	Posted - 2013.08.29 20:44:00 - [15] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: D legendary hero wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: Lol at 'They killed the Flaylock' They didn't, they just made it a sidearm. no they made it a waste of SP. A side arm is the SMG. A side arm is the scrambler pistol. flaylock = doesn't work. you know what they made a primary and a side arm? an AR. because it reloads so fast you dnt need a secondary. I'm happy with my Core Flaylock. It still hardly takes any PG/CPU away from my Scout, the radius and damage was ridiculous, adjust your aim, aim for the body, anything, its not hard. the proto is the only half decent flaylock, and even at that its pretty lame.... I use standard and ADV but they suck now. It also, doesn't help that I use heavy suits. but even on my light suits the gun itself is pretty lame. if you need PROTO for a gun to be usable then its broken. period. look at the lazers. the only usable one is the viziam PROTO. HMGS you need ADV or higher to get any effect.