It is obvious these people don't play their own games. They refer to graphs rather than actually referring to people in the role they are modifying.

Who asked for ammunition for vehicles? It seems like ANOTHER un-fun and un-necessary mechanic tacked on to further limit the viability of our vehicles.

Where are the Warpoints for Logistic Vehicle operations outside of the Infantry Repair vehicle's tool? Why do dropships still get no Warpoints for spawn ins? Why no points for shield transporting or armor repairing?

All Wolfman's post tells me is HE DOESN'T GET IT.
We don't fill a niche?

-WRONG-

Imagine HAVs as Heavies and use us as so.
We accel in point defense in PC, as well as vehicle denial and suppression of infantry.

Dropships accel in getting infantry to point FAST and SAFE.
They also help with putting snipers in great locations.
With turreteers, they provide a very clear infantry and tank suppression role.

LLAVs offer incredible scouting opportunities. Whether eye-balling the enemy or scanning them out, they can
point out the enemy. They can harass infantry with their turret, passengers or with your bumper. They can
shield transport and armor repair infantry rather well and with certain builds you can rep tanks with them.

Just because the vocal minority of ****** vehicle operators can't make them work doesn't mean they don't fill a niche
and it doesn't mean you need to IMPOSE MORE RESTRICTIONS ON US!!!


He is working on a mechanic he doesn't know offering changes
that aren't needed for players who do get it. It is getting RIDICULOUS.

November and the PS4 can't come soon enough because I just can't stop shaking my head at this game.

Until then, I'll still be using my HAVs, LAVs, and Dropships, wishing furiously they'd give us more tools to work with,
rather than the CONSTANT stream of disappointment.

It is obvious these people don't play their own games. They refer to graphs rather than actually referring to people in the role they are modifying.

Who asked for ammunition for vehicles? It seems like ANOTHER un-fun and un-necessary mechanic tacked on to further limit the viability of our vehicles.

Where are the Warpoints for Logistic Vehicle operations outside of the Infantry Repair vehicle's tool? Why do dropships still get no Warpoints for spawn ins? Why no points for shield transporting or armor repairing?

All Wolfman's post tells me is HE DOESN'T GET IT.
We don't fill a niche?

-WRONG-

Imagine HAVs as Heavies and use us as so.
We accel in point defense in PC, as well as vehicle denial and suppression of infantry.

Dropships accel in getting infantry to point FAST and SAFE.
They also help with putting snipers in great locations.
With turreteers, they provide a very clear infantry and tank suppression role.

LLAVs offer incredible scouting opportunities. Whether eye-balling the enemy or scanning them out, they can
point out the enemy. They can harass infantry with their turret, passengers or with your bumper. They can
shield transport and armor repair infantry rather well and with certain builds you can rep tanks with them.

Just because the vocal minority of ****** vehicle operators can't make them work doesn't mean they don't fill a niche
and it doesn't mean you need to IMPOSE MORE RESTRICTIONS ON US!!!


He is working on a mechanic he doesn't know offering changes
that aren't needed for players who do get it. It is getting RIDICULOUS.

November and the PS4 can't come soon enough because I just can't stop shaking my head at this game.

Until then, I'll still be using my HAVs, LAVs, and Dropships, wishing furiously they'd give us more tools to work with,
rather than the CONSTANT stream of disappointment.

CCP Rejavik
CCP Shanghia

Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step.

I don't agree with that. I use my blaster tank as a way to push objectives and clear the map of lavs, allowing my team to cross open parts of the map and kill and capture objectives.

Railgun tank is used to counter enemy havs, drops, manned installations and snipers. not bad for holding objectives from a far.

Missile tank...... well that's just for fun I guess.

You are being very, very ignorant wih your post.

Turrets will now have finite ammunition. Vehicle vs. vehicle combat generally boils down to two vehicles parked opposite one another firing until someone pops. This is not fun. Finite ammunition allows us to make turrets more POWERFUL while preventing them from being a constant threat; spam a target and eventually you will run out of ammo.

That's what has been said. And I don't know about you but I don't like parking next to enemy tanks and shooting constantly to see who overhearts/runs out of modules to activate first. Open your eyes.

Missiles currently are suppression and bombardment of larger targets (anti-facility anti-hav) without the prohibitive cost of a rail gun but you have to fight a bit more like a brawler with it. The spread and streak of the missiles is nice that it helps with ground to air accuracy but due to the slow travel speed this all falters out at longer distances.

i bet 1million ISK that turrets don't get any more powerful.

I actually like a majority of the proposed changes, limited ammo stores being my favorite. Means you'll at least have to get off your redline hill to reload.

Also, if they talked to the people they were modifying, it would be nothing but a slew of requests for buffs in every niche role. I'd take data over "feels" any day.

Naw, they will simply recall the vehicle and call in another for a reload, something most tankers are used to.

The biggest benefit I see is having a buddy use up all the rounds in your side turrets then nubs have no reason to stay in your vehicle and they cannot reveal your location with random spam as well.

Because balancing is always a "complete joke" (to everyone wanting to keep their overpowered toys). Everyone posts these similar posts when balancing changes are introduced. People expect that their current OP setup should persist because it strokes their epeen, and when balancing catches up to them, they shout doom and gloom and say they're leaving. I'm sure we'll see many posts foreshadowing the death of the game when CCP introduces a fix for redline sniping or easier detection for where a sniper could be hiding and firing from.

Read the writing on the wall: CCP doesn't want tanks to exist in magnificent isolation. They are part of a team, requiring support. Burst tanking is going up, and that bodes well for vehicle survival--WITH the support of the rest of your team and for a short period. But long will be gone the days of tanks slowly hulking around and causing problems with their behemoth sizes by blocking doorways and using their combination of considerable hp and weapon power to act as solo, unstoppable agents.

In 1.5, get a tank with a proper crew, roll up on people, hit cooldowns and harvest tears. That's the play. If you want to drive that tank around solo, then you're probably going to have a bad day. Now, if we could only push CCP into adding that "isk destroyed" total in the end of action report, we might be able to see exactly how bad a day you're having.

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Because balancing is always a "complete joke" (to everyone wanting to keep their overpowered toys). Everyone posts these similar posts when balancing changes are introduced. People expect that their current OP setup should persist because it strokes their epeen, and when balancing catches up to them, they shout doom and gloom and say they're leaving. I'm sure we'll see many posts foreshadowing the death of the game when CCP introduces a fix for redline sniping or easier detection for where a sniper could be hiding and firing from.

Read the writing on the wall: CCP doesn't want tanks to exist in magnificent isolation. They are part of a team, requiring support. Burst tanking is going up, and that bodes well for vehicle survival--WITH the support of the rest of your team and for a short period. But long will be gone the days of tanks slowly hulking around and causing problems with their behemoth sizes by blocking doorways and using their combination of considerable hp and weapon power to act as solo, unstoppable agents.

In 1.5, get a tank with a proper crew, roll up on people, hit cooldowns and harvest tears. That's the play. If you want to drive that tank around solo, then you're probably going to have a bad day. Now, if we could only push CCP into adding that "isk destroyed" total in the end of action report, we might be able to see exactly how bad a day you're having.

Wow, a lot of hate tonight.

Let me clarify.

I am one of the best damn tankers around and can fulfill any role with the three turrets available.
I prefer blaster, but I can go rail when the need arises.

LOL at CPM who thinks that tanks are "God-Mode". Any tank fit less than optimal resistance who goes out into the open field will get crushed. Thankfully, I run optimum fits and can take hits with my blaster tank, within reason. I am deadly, but the things against me are no less deadly.

You think I am a red-line tank sniper? Well, what is the sense in bringing a rail to close quarters combat? There is none! Very unreliable in popping people close up, it is mostly an anti-vehicle and installation weapon with the occasional infantry kill.



I may have overreacted on the ammunition thing.
I hope with the imposing of ammunition on our tanks, they will eventually do what eve does and allow us to equip ammunition types for different situations. Pipe dream I know.

I was just underwhelmed at his general premise for vehicles in 1.5 because that is the CURRENT premise for building a decent tank with what we have. About the only surprise was this ammunition thing, which was silly.

I challenge you to a tank fight. all or nothing.

I never solo with my tank. I always run with a crew with voice comms. Its the only way to go.

Any time of the week, bro.

It is obvious these people don't play their own games. They refer to graphs rather than actually referring to people in the role they are modifying.

Who asked for ammunition for vehicles? It seems like ANOTHER un-fun and un-necessary mechanic tacked on to further limit the viability of our vehicles.

Where are the Warpoints for Logistic Vehicle operations outside of the Infantry Repair vehicle's tool? Why do dropships still get no Warpoints for spawn ins? Why no points for shield transporting or armor repairing?

All Wolfman's post tells me is HE DOESN'T GET IT.
We don't fill a niche?

-WRONG-

Imagine HAVs as Heavies and use us as so.
We accel in point defense in PC, as well as vehicle denial and suppression of infantry.

Dropships accel in getting infantry to point FAST and SAFE.
They also help with putting snipers in great locations.
With turreteers, they provide a very clear infantry and tank suppression role.

LLAVs offer incredible scouting opportunities. Whether eye-balling the enemy or scanning them out, they can
point out the enemy. They can harass infantry with their turret, passengers or with your bumper. They can
shield transport and armor repair infantry rather well and with certain builds you can rep tanks with them.

Just because the vocal minority of ****** vehicle operators can't make them work doesn't mean they don't fill a niche
and it doesn't mean you need to IMPOSE MORE RESTRICTIONS ON US!!!


He is working on a mechanic he doesn't know offering changes
that aren't needed for players who do get it. It is getting RIDICULOUS.

November and the PS4 can't come soon enough because I just can't stop shaking my head at this game.

Until then, I'll still be using my HAVs, LAVs, and Dropships, wishing furiously they'd give us more tools to work with,
rather than the CONSTANT stream of disappointment.

AHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA yeah your a perfect tanker, all the best tankers always run in squads of 4-6 tankers, but im sure you only need infantry because your so good.

It is just ridiculous. They ignore the dropships, they ignore support, and they talk this mess?


I would have given him a thumbs up if he addressed WP for MCRU spawn ins and WP for reps on vehicles/installations.


btw, this is my first post on this.
Just patience wearing thin with CCP and their Vehicle Development.

CCP Rejavik
CCP Shanghia

Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step.

Skytt asked for it, old timey beta dust 514 tanker. matter of factly quite a few people ask for ammo as a means of balancing out the god mode out of them. An empty tank is a dead/useless tank. Not the besieger and ender of worlds.

War points are being worked on but it didn't make the 1.4 cut.

Also HAV's don't do a lot of defending these days, its more running away and being annoying as possible. Any serious push against an HAV will kill it.

Dropships don't get infantry to point b safely, you're better off in a limbus. It won't land on you when you disembark. They also give sniper the hell away to counter snipers, oh lookie dropship on a roof. Free lunch while he cowers up there while I wait for him to pop his head up while I shoot from underneath a truck he can't see me back through.

Scouting going out the window outside the squad in 1.4. Squad mates are no the only folks that will help your vision now and that can be done by a high perch spotter.

Scout LAVs are useless,
Logi DSs are useless
HAVs are left wondering what the hell are they supposed to be excelling at.
LAVs are wondering why in the hell is their bumper a far more effective killing tool than their high powered blaster/missile/railgun is?

Bottom Line

There are two reactions I shouldn't be having when you round a corner in any vehicle.
1. Meh~

and

2. Yum!

They day they make me go 'OH SNAP" is the day they get it right.

It is just ridiculous. They ignore the dropships, they ignore support, and they talk this mess?


I would have given him a thumbs up if he addressed WP for MCRU spawn ins and WP for reps on vehicles/installations.


btw, this is my first post on this.
Just patience wearing thin with CCP and their Vehicle Development.

Also, you are wrong on those vehicles being 'useless'.
Just have to work around its weakness and embrace their strengths.

CCP Rejavik
CCP Shanghia

Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step.

I actually like a majority of the proposed changes, limited ammo stores being my favorite. Means you'll at least have to get off your redline hill to reload.

Also, if they talked to the people they were modifying, it would be nothing but a slew of requests for buffs in every niche role. I'd take data over "feels" any day.

Because balancing is always a "complete joke" (to everyone wanting to keep their overpowered toys). Everyone posts these similar posts when balancing changes are introduced. People expect that their current OP setup should persist because it strokes their epeen, and when balancing catches up to them, they shout doom and gloom and say they're leaving. I'm sure we'll see many posts foreshadowing the death of the game when CCP introduces a fix for redline sniping or easier detection for where a sniper could be hiding and firing from.

Read the writing on the wall: CCP doesn't want tanks to exist in magnificent isolation. They are part of a team, requiring support. Burst tanking is going up, and that bodes well for vehicle survival--WITH the support of the rest of your team and for a short period. But long will be gone the days of tanks slowly hulking around and causing problems with their behemoth sizes by blocking doorways and using their combination of considerable hp and weapon power to act as solo, unstoppable agents.

In 1.5, get a tank with a proper crew, roll up on people, hit cooldowns and harvest tears. That's the play. If you want to drive that tank around solo, then you're probably going to have a bad day. Now, if we could only push CCP into adding that "isk destroyed" total in the end of action report, we might be able to see exactly how bad a day you're having.

LOL "proper crew"

We get idiots jumping into our turrets all the time, who make it painfully obvious they don't know what to do, firing into the air, firing at the MCC, firing at something that's 300m away. It's about time they give us the option to not have to put small turrets on. I don't think a single forum tanker will put on small turrets, unless it's a dropship. I know for CERTAIN I won't be using small turrets, because 99% of the time, I get some idiot that jumps into my turret, then acts indignant that I don't drive around with him in my tank, and give him things to shoot at (that he won't be able to hit anyway), and let him get points for doing literally nothing, and at times worse than nothing, calling attention to my tank when I'm not able to handle another fight.

Scout LAVs are broken, name one person who actively uses that.

Spot on. A crewed tank and some team work with infantry will make AV / Swarm work tough going...as it should be. On the same hand, AT missles in RL are a an absolute MF'r for tanks and armored vehicles to deal with. The best defense is to suppress the shooter and push a local counter attack against them.

Sounds kinda like how it should work in the Game, yes?

Wow, a lot of hate tonight.

Let me clarify.

I am one of the best damn tankers around and can fulfill any role with the three turrets available.
I prefer blaster, but I can go rail when the need arises.

LOL at CPM who thinks that tanks are "God-Mode". Any tank fit less than optimal resistance who goes out into the open field will get crushed. Thankfully, I run optimum fits and can take hits with my blaster tank, within reason. I am deadly, but the things against me are no less deadly.

You think I am a red-line tank sniper? Well, what is the sense in bringing a rail to close quarters combat? There is none! Very unreliable in popping people close up, it is mostly an anti-vehicle and installation weapon with the occasional infantry kill.



I may have overreacted on the ammunition thing.
I hope with the imposing of ammunition on our tanks, they will eventually do what eve does and allow us to equip ammunition types for different situations. Pipe dream I know.

I was just underwhelmed at his general premise for vehicles in 1.5 because that is the CURRENT premise for building a decent tank with what we have. About the only surprise was this ammunition thing, which was silly.

And once again someone is not happy about the patchnotes. Nothing to see here folks. We see this every month.

I'm a good tanker and I will keep turrets on. Why? That extra punch from the missile on enemy tank, the good guy on the blaster helping to sweep infantry is invaluable to team play.

If you are a 'lone wolf' tanker, or running PCs with a rail tank (don't need them on a long range tank, maybe with a skirmisher rail), then yeah, removing them for more PG.

They really are a waste of SP and ISK. Every time I see a Callisto or Abron on the field, I laugh, same as I do with Enforcers.

Finite ammo for vehicles in one of the most win things CCP has ever done in this game, and I hope they stick with it. It will completely change the way vehicles treat the battlefield and how they work with their teams.

Enforcers actually are pretty good in the right hands.

Caution and battlefield awareness are your friends.

Enforcers actually are pretty good in the right hands.

Caution and battlefield awareness are your friends.

CCP Rejavik
CCP Shanghia

Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step.

They really are a waste of SP and ISK. Every time I see a Callisto or Abron on the field, I laugh, same as I do with Enforcers.

It is obvious these people don't play their own games. They refer to graphs rather than actually referring to people in the role they are modifying.

Who asked for ammunition for vehicles? It seems like ANOTHER un-fun and un-necessary mechanic tacked on to further limit the viability of our vehicles.

Where are the Warpoints for Logistic Vehicle operations outside of the Infantry Repair vehicle's tool? Why do dropships still get no Warpoints for spawn ins? Why no points for shield transporting or armor repairing?

All Wolfman's post tells me is HE DOESN'T GET IT.
We don't fill a niche?

-WRONG-

Imagine HAVs as Heavies and use us as so.
We accel in point defense in PC, as well as vehicle denial and suppression of infantry.

Dropships accel in getting infantry to point FAST and SAFE.
They also help with putting snipers in great locations.
With turreteers, they provide a very clear infantry and tank suppression role.

LLAVs offer incredible scouting opportunities. Whether eye-balling the enemy or scanning them out, they can
point out the enemy. They can harass infantry with their turret, passengers or with your bumper. They can
shield transport and armor repair infantry rather well and with certain builds you can rep tanks with them.

Just because the vocal minority of ****** vehicle operators can't make them work doesn't mean they don't fill a niche
and it doesn't mean you need to IMPOSE MORE RESTRICTIONS ON US!!!


He is working on a mechanic he doesn't know offering changes
that aren't needed for players who do get it. It is getting RIDICULOUS.

November and the PS4 can't come soon enough because I just can't stop shaking my head at this game.

Until then, I'll still be using my HAVs, LAVs, and Dropships, wishing furiously they'd give us more tools to work with,
rather than the CONSTANT stream of disappointment.

Scout LAVs are broken, name one person who actively uses that.

CCP Rejavik
CCP Shanghia

Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step.

Its a different playstyle. LEARN each vehicle's strength and play to it. The Vayu is INCREDIBLY efficient at shredding infantry, and can even knock out other tanks well if you get the first punch.

CCP Rejavik
CCP Shanghia

Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step.

Bring your expensive Vayu out against my inexpensive Madrugar, please..
Risk v Reward

My Madrugar ***** all over you will little risk and.. well I wouldn't say a massive reward but it's definitely going to be better than what you get :)

Seriously, that **** is far too expensive, stop defending broken vehicles that you know are ****** and shouldn't be like that, a range vehicle shouldn't be slower than the standard vehicles, and it shouldn't have less PG/CPU. For it to be effective you need V in Enforcers, a shitton of SP for such a terrible vehicle.

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CCP Rejavik
CCP Shanghia

Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step.

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CCP Rejavik
CCP Shanghia

Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step.