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Anmol Singh
the unholy legion of darkstar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.08.26 01:57:00 -
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ADV and basic HMG are both complete utter ****... you either have to be 1 meter away from your enemy to kill this baster or accept defeat to a milita suit. |
Exmaple Core
Ancient Exiles
944
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Posted - 2013.08.26 02:00:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:ADV and basic HMG are both complete utter ****... you either have to be 1 meter away from your enemy to kill this baster or accept defeat to a milita suit.
MH82 is okaish. HMGs need alittle bit more range but the damage is okay, its more so the heavy suit sucks, not the hmg |
Anmol Singh
the unholy legion of darkstar
DARKSTAR ARMY
285
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Posted - 2013.08.26 02:08:00 -
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Exmaple Core wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:ADV and basic HMG are both complete utter ****... you either have to be 1 meter away from your enemy to kill this baster or accept defeat to a milita suit. MH82 is okaish. HMGs need alittle bit more range but the damage is okay, its more so the heavy suit sucks, not the hmg
i got 1200 ehp and i go down, fking hate this game. |
castba
Penguin's March
86
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Posted - 2013.08.26 02:15:00 -
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Why would you expect heavy + hmg to be god mode? |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
3529
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Posted - 2013.08.26 02:22:00 -
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the ADV HMG isn't too bad for pubs. |
Anmol Singh
the unholy legion of darkstar
DARKSTAR ARMY
286
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Posted - 2013.08.26 02:24:00 -
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castba wrote:Why would you expect heavy + hmg to be god mode?
Because its a GOD DAM HEAVY WITH FKING 1200 EHP AND A HEAVY MACHINE GUNE, "A MINI GUN" except we get taken down by milita suits at like 20 meters distance...
Why do you question sooo much? |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
3529
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Posted - 2013.08.26 02:36:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:castba wrote:Why would you expect heavy + hmg to be god mode? Because its a GOD DAM HEAVY WITH FKING 1200 EHP AND A HEAVY MACHINE GUNE, "A MINI GUN" except we get taken down by milita suits at like 20 meters distance... Why do you question sooo much?
when you come to terms that heavies are a joke, you'll be fine.
1200+ HP means nothing. You have nades doing 800+ dmg on you, you have Mass Driver spam. People think playing a heavy is "EZ MODE!"... it's not.
Know your angles and positions, and always have a retreating route in mind. |
castba
Penguin's March
86
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Posted - 2013.08.26 02:42:00 -
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I question your thought because it is irrational and was hoping if you did question it yourself, you would hear how ridiculous it sounds.
From one heavy to another (although my sp is in forge and smg)
Do you "stand and deliver" or do you pick your moments?
If you don't mind me suggesting something, try this fit:
Dren sentinel (or basic sentinel if you don't have the Elite pack - same suit)
Complex damage mod
Basic armour plate
Complex repairer
Basic hmg
Cost is under 11k so you can die 15 times and still make money (and have a ball)... Or you can run it, play intelligently (know when to pull back) and be surprisingly effective. |
Rynoceros
Rise of Old Dudes
575
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Posted - 2013.08.26 02:55:00 -
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25/2 is not uncommon for me with ADV Heavy, MH-82 on my 2m SP alt.
I rarely do this on my 10m SP Assault since Uprising.
Unfortunately, MDs are everywhere right now and favor the same areas that Heavies do. This is where some Leroy Jenkins tactics prove useful. |
Shadow Archeus
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
122
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Posted - 2013.08.26 02:59:00 -
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I went 40-8 earlier today........using mlt suit complex damage mod complex armor repair and std hmg....the biggest threat is fgs and MDS......keep your distance but stay within range and have a logi......sure if there's a lot of explosives goin off its gunna be a bad match.....my advice is to have a fit with an ar or SCR to mediate the range......most people think o there's a heavy he can't hit me at this range then zap....charged headshot |
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Chad Michael Murray
The Phoenix Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.08.26 03:12:00 -
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Don't stand still while shooting, it helps out tons. Pinky swear. |
Anmol Singh
the unholy legion of darkstar
DARKSTAR ARMY
290
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Posted - 2013.08.26 03:32:00 -
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Chad Michael Murray wrote:Don't stand still while shooting, it helps out tons. Pinky swear.
if i dont stand, well i wont hit because of the spray of the gun... i literally have to stand still for the gun to stop spraying ... |
Heathen Bastard
The Bastard Brigade
591
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Posted - 2013.08.26 03:35:00 -
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yeah, on fighting things, it's either firing from an entrenched position(take a knee, use cover, etc) or my escape plan is: THE ONLY WAY OUT IS THROUGH! OPEN FIRE, WALK FORWARD! |
8213
Grade No.2
192
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Posted - 2013.08.26 03:49:00 -
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I have ADV HMG everything.
I do more than fine with it. You can't use it on on every map and in every game mode.
You have to change your tactics up. Find DS 10 or CHICAGOCUBS4EVER and have them teach you for a game.
You have to be wise with your engagements and you need a Repair Tool user to help you out time-to-time.
The range and damage for the HMG is fine, considering its the most powerful close range weapon in the game, by far. Anything 20m or closer, you will kill, every time. But its more of a support role on the battlefield than an offensive role.
This isn't like the Betas where the HMG rule the battlefield without any skill. Give it more time and practice.
It helps to be on both sides of the HMG know how. You have to know how to kill an HMG in order to know how to use an HMG..
Quite frankly, I think HMG is perfect right where its at. |
Anmol Singh
the unholy legion of darkstar
DARKSTAR ARMY
290
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Posted - 2013.08.26 03:51:00 -
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8213 wrote:I have ADV HMG everything.
I do more than fine with it. You can't use it on on every map and in every game mode.
You have to change your tactics up. Find DS 10 or CHICAGOCUBS4EVER and have them teach you for a game.
You have to be wise with your engagements and you need a Repair Tool user to help you out time-to-time.
The range and damage for the HMG is fine, considering its the most powerful close range weapon in the game, by far. Anything 20m or closer, you will kill, every time. But its more of a support role on the battlefield than an offensive role.
This isn't like the Betas where the HMG rule the battlefield without any skill. Give it more time and practice.
It helps to be on both sides of the HMG know how. You have to know how to kill an HMG in order to know how to use an HMG..
Quite frankly, I think HMG is perfect right where its at.
+1 but it can use a bit of a range buff, anything beyond 30m is unkillable and the tracking is just terrible |
8213
Grade No.2
192
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Posted - 2013.08.26 03:52:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:8213 wrote:I have ADV HMG everything.
I do more than fine with it. You can't use it on on every map and in every game mode.
You have to change your tactics up. Find DS 10 or CHICAGOCUBS4EVER and have them teach you for a game.
You have to be wise with your engagements and you need a Repair Tool user to help you out time-to-time.
The range and damage for the HMG is fine, considering its the most powerful close range weapon in the game, by far. Anything 20m or closer, you will kill, every time. But its more of a support role on the battlefield than an offensive role.
This isn't like the Betas where the HMG rule the battlefield without any skill. Give it more time and practice.
It helps to be on both sides of the HMG know how. You have to know how to kill an HMG in order to know how to use an HMG..
Quite frankly, I think HMG is perfect right where its at. +1 but it can use a bit of a range buff, anything beyond 30m is unkillable and the tracking is just terrible
That's called balance... |
DeadlyAztec11
Red Star Jr.
EoN.
2012
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Posted - 2013.08.26 03:57:00 -
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First off, if your running armor plates, you are ruining your turn speeds for no reason. Second. SQUAT you fat sumo! Improves dispersion so much.
Third, get a complex damage mod on that *****.
I got a basic advanced heavy (cause I was smart enough to go Commando suit), standard HMG, M1 grenades, basic armor rep, enhanced shield extender and cardiac regulator.
I'm fkn crushin it! |
Anmol Singh
the unholy legion of darkstar
DARKSTAR ARMY
290
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Posted - 2013.08.26 03:59:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:First off, if your running armor plates, you are ruining your turn speeds for no reason. Second. SQUAT you fat sumo! Improves dispersion so much.
Third, get a complex damage mod on that *****.
I got a basic advanced heavy (cause I was smart enough to go Commando suit), standard HMG, M1 grenades, basic armor rep, enhanced shield extender and cardiac regulator.
I'm fkn crushin it!
i have about 590 armor and 620 shield, i do squat, i have a tiny rep on my adv suit only repping 3 Hps but i have enhanced dmg mod and adv hmg |
demonkiller 12
Seraphim Auxiliaries
129
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Posted - 2013.08.26 04:05:00 -
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my HMG heavy is awesome always having 5:1 10:1 kd whenever im not forging with him
Std Sentinel
Std HMG
Militia HMG (because ive only gone into heavy weapons on that character)
Std Locus for those annoying bunny hopper that like to hover around me
Std shield energizer
2x militia armor reppers
i have 486 shield and armor since both skills are at 4
this fit is fine i dont see why you have a problem
it also only costs 7k |
demonkiller 12
Seraphim Auxiliaries
129
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Posted - 2013.08.26 04:17:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:Chad Michael Murray wrote:Don't stand still while shooting, it helps out tons. Pinky swear. if i dont stand, well i wont hit because of the spray of the gun... i literally have to stand still for the gun to stop spraying ...
after firing for 1 second the guns actually super accurate |
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Turtle Hermit Roshi
Famous.OTF
Only The Famous
15
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Posted - 2013.08.26 04:19:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:ADV and basic HMG are both complete utter ****... you either have to be 1 meter away from your enemy to kill this baster or accept defeat to a milita suit.
NOOB all i use is the basic hmg ..... jus got proficiency 5 tho consecutively i was doing 10/2 this bpast night hmg are the shiznit if you dont agree you are wrong ...and stupid |
Exmaple Core
Ancient Exiles
945
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Posted - 2013.08.26 04:20:00 -
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Turtle Hermit Roshi wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:ADV and basic HMG are both complete utter ****... you either have to be 1 meter away from your enemy to kill this baster or accept defeat to a milita suit. NOOB all i use is the basic hmg ..... jus got proficiency 5 tho consecutively i was doing 10/2 this bpast night hmg are the shiznit if you dont agree you are wrong ...and stupid
Im mostly happy with the hmg, tho i think it needs a tad more range. You? |
Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
League of Infamy
673
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Posted - 2013.08.26 04:22:00 -
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The HMG will be gaining accuracy in 1.4 as well since the operations skill will reduce dispersion by 5% rather than reducing heat buildup. You'll have to worry a bit about overheating but you'll be doing a lot more damage. |
demonkiller 12
Seraphim Auxiliaries
129
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Posted - 2013.08.26 04:22:00 -
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8213 wrote:I have ADV HMG everything.
I do more than fine with it. You can't use it on on every map and in every game mode.
The range and damage for the HMG is fine, considering its the most powerful close range weapon in the game, by far. Anything 20m or closer, you will kill, every time..
ive never seen a heavy beat plazma canun in CQC, it excels at the shotguns role |
demonkiller 12
Seraphim Auxiliaries
129
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Posted - 2013.08.26 04:23:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:8213 wrote:I have ADV HMG everything.
I do more than fine with it. You can't use it on on every map and in every game mode.
You have to change your tactics up. Find DS 10 or CHICAGOCUBS4EVER and have them teach you for a game.
You have to be wise with your engagements and you need a Repair Tool user to help you out time-to-time.
The range and damage for the HMG is fine, considering its the most powerful close range weapon in the game, by far. Anything 20m or closer, you will kill, every time. But its more of a support role on the battlefield than an offensive role.
This isn't like the Betas where the HMG rule the battlefield without any skill. Give it more time and practice.
It helps to be on both sides of the HMG know how. You have to know how to kill an HMG in order to know how to use an HMG..
Quite frankly, I think HMG is perfect right where its at. +1 but it can use a bit of a range buff, anything beyond 30m is unkillable and the tracking is just terrible
after firing for a few seconds killing anything at 60-75 meters is pretty easy |
demonkiller 12
Seraphim Auxiliaries
129
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Posted - 2013.08.26 04:26:00 -
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Yea in 1.4 the HMG* op skill is being changed to 5% recoil reduction per level |
hackerzilla
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
242
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Posted - 2013.08.26 04:27:00 -
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Wow you are complaining about the HMG the 2nd most unskilless weapon in the game? (1st being AR) |
castba
Penguin's March
89
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Posted - 2013.08.26 05:57:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:The HMG will be gaining accuracy in 1.4 as well since the operations skill will reduce dispersion by 5% rather than reducing heat buildup. You'll have to worry a bit about overheating but you'll be doing a lot more damage.
Reducing kick, not dispersion |
Dexter307
the unholy legion of darkstar
DARKSTAR ARMY
129
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Posted - 2013.08.26 06:20:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:The HMG will be gaining accuracy in 1.4 as well since the operations skill will reduce dispersion by 5% rather than reducing heat buildup. You'll have to worry a bit about overheating but you'll be doing a lot more damage.
No, its reducing recoil, but the hmg has hardly any recoil, so idk why they decided to nerf the hmg operations skill. |
RA Drahcir
Psygod9
136
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Posted - 2013.08.26 06:38:00 -
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HMGs need to be doing this and this |
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GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR
the unholy legion of darkstar
DARKSTAR ARMY
27
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Posted - 2013.08.26 06:51:00 -
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dude dont get mad all suits are for different situations heavys are mostly close quarters assault rifles for medium and close snipers for medium and long range but my tip for u is always stay close to friendlys and never go out in the open unless u want to be run over by llav. |
Jake Bloodworth
DUST University
Ivy League
92
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Posted - 2013.08.26 06:55:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:First off, if your running armor plates, you are ruining your turn speeds for no reason. Second. SQUAT you fat sumo! Improves dispersion so much.
Third, get a complex damage mod on that *****.
I got a basic advanced heavy (cause I was smart enough to go Commando suit), standard HMG, M1 grenades, basic armor rep, enhanced shield extender and cardiac regulator.
I'm fkn crushin it! i have about 590 armor and 620 shield, i do squat, i have a tiny rep on my adv suit only repping 3 Hps but i have enhanced dmg mod and adv hmg
Do tell how you managed 620 shields while running a damage modifier? |
Boomer Dues Mortis
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
197
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Posted - 2013.08.26 08:02:00 -
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I went 44-0 a week ago with a 17k suit using a Std HMG, the problem is not the gun it is the user. |
Shadow Of-Chaos
Club Midnight
36
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Posted - 2013.08.26 08:02:00 -
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Jake Bloodworth wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:First off, if your running armor plates, you are ruining your turn speeds for no reason. Second. SQUAT you fat sumo! Improves dispersion so much.
Third, get a complex damage mod on that *****.
I got a basic advanced heavy (cause I was smart enough to go Commando suit), standard HMG, M1 grenades, basic armor rep, enhanced shield extender and cardiac regulator.
I'm fkn crushin it! i have about 590 armor and 620 shield, i do squat, i have a tiny rep on my adv suit only repping 3 Hps but i have enhanced dmg mod and adv hmg Do tell how you managed 620 shields while running a damage modifier?
he didnt |
THEAMAZING POTHEAD
Pure Innocence.
EoN.
278
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Posted - 2013.08.26 08:09:00 -
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get prof 5, & use 2 complex damage mods on a basic proto with a boundless.
you will never complain about the HMG again. |
General Erick
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
61
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Posted - 2013.08.26 09:14:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:ADV and basic HMG are both complete utter ****... you either have to be 1 meter away from your enemy to kill this baster or accept defeat to a milita suit. MH82 is okaish. HMGs need alittle bit more range but the damage is okay, its more so the heavy suit sucks, not the hmg i got 1200 ehp and i go down, fking hate this game.
Two lessons from an experienced heavy player with only 1000 max HP.
1. Stay out of open areas.
2. Stay on target and don't press the L1 button unless at long range. |
XiBravo
TeamPlayers
EoN.
187
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Posted - 2013.08.26 09:18:00 -
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THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:get prof 5, & use 2 complex damage mods on a basic proto with a boundless.
you will never complain about the HMG again.
That's enough out of you 
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Scalesdini
The Surrogates Of War
128
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Posted - 2013.08.26 09:44:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:ADV and basic HMG are both complete utter ****... you either have to be 1 meter away from your enemy to kill this baster or accept defeat to a milita suit.
You're doing it wrong. |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company
General Tso's Alliance
17
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Posted - 2013.08.26 10:04:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:castba wrote:Why would you expect heavy + hmg to be god mode? Because its a GOD DAM HEAVY WITH FKING 1200 EHP AND A HEAVY MACHINE GUNE, "A MINI GUN" except we get taken down by milita suits at like 20 meters distance... Why do you question sooo much?
Becaue every 5 min you complain about something that so many other people can use effectively, its almost as if you expect to be one man army irrespective of your fit, vechile or mindset. Learn to use the guns and stop sounding like a 3 year old throwing his teddy's out the cot all time!!
If a weapon isnt working for you go to the training grounds and ask for advice! |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
1109
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Posted - 2013.08.26 10:08:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:ADV and basic HMG are both complete utter ****... you either have to be 1 meter away from your enemy to kill this baster or accept defeat to a milita suit.
I they are using an AR, I feel your pain. AR's are insanely OP against heavy suits.
Otherwise, HMG's > Most everything in CQC. If it wasn't for AR's and shield tanked players, they would be incredibly OP.
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gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
3302
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Posted - 2013.08.26 13:00:00 -
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I use a militia heavy with a standard HMG and a militia damage mod ( I'm poor okay), I get stomped at range but if I play smart and get close I can do some serious damage, in an ambush yesterday I managed to flank a group of reds, I got 4 kills in under 10 seconds before they took me down, maybe you should just get good OP? |
SILVERBACK 02
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
156
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Posted - 2013.08.26 13:16:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:ADV and basic HMG are both complete utter ****... you either have to be 1 meter away from your enemy to kill this baster or accept defeat to a milita suit. MH82 is okaish. HMGs need alittle bit more range but the damage is okay, its more so the heavy suit sucks, not the hmg i got 1200 ehp and i go down, fking hate this game.
try using the assault foorge as an anti infantry weapon... you will be suprised
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Doc Noah
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
480
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Posted - 2013.08.26 14:38:00 -
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AR OP against heavies? Seems about right, its not like a heavy could use an AR or anyth~ |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
5914
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Posted - 2013.08.26 14:44:00 -
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I don't know how the HMG performs in PC but in pubs I don't see why anyone would complain. I romp the crap out of pubs with my advanced HMG fit and it feels like it's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too easy, not the other way.
L2Flux?
Doc Noah wrote:AR OP against heavies? Seems about right, its not like a heavy could use an AR or anyth~
I took AR all the way to prof 3 with some upgrade skills and what not. I want to get rid of every last SP I wasted on those boring ass guns.
Oh wait, that would destroy the delicate economy of DUST and send us spiraling helplessly out of control into a world of chaos and dismay where everything is FoTM and everyone is sad. |
Jake Bloodworth
DUST University
Ivy League
93
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Posted - 2013.08.26 15:02:00 -
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Shadow Of-Chaos wrote:Jake Bloodworth wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:First off, if your running armor plates, you are ruining your turn speeds for no reason. Second. SQUAT you fat sumo! Improves dispersion so much.
Third, get a complex damage mod on that *****.
I got a basic advanced heavy (cause I was smart enough to go Commando suit), standard HMG, M1 grenades, basic armor rep, enhanced shield extender and cardiac regulator.
I'm fkn crushin it! i have about 590 armor and 620 shield, i do squat, i have a tiny rep on my adv suit only repping 3 Hps but i have enhanced dmg mod and adv hmg Do tell how you managed 620 shields while running a damage modifier? he didnt
I know this, and you know this. But, I don't think he knows this.  |
Kam Elto
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
65
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Posted - 2013.08.26 15:03:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:Mobius Kaethis wrote:The HMG will be gaining accuracy in 1.4 as well since the operations skill will reduce dispersion by 5% rather than reducing heat buildup. You'll have to worry a bit about overheating but you'll be doing a lot more damage. No, its reducing recoil, but the hmg has hardly any recoil, so idk why they decided to nerf the hmg operations skill.
yeah, not going to be much of an improvement. any word about changing the Sentinel racial bonus that reduces feedback damage? that's a useless bonus for most heavies. |
Cobra CLUTCH79
OVERLORDS OF THE ONI SERPENT
35
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Posted - 2013.08.26 15:06:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:Chad Michael Murray wrote:Don't stand still while shooting, it helps out tons. Pinky swear. if i dont stand, well i wont hit because of the spray of the gun... i literally have to stand still for the gun to stop spraying ...
theres a skill to fix that.. |
Jake Bloodworth
DUST University
Ivy League
93
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Posted - 2013.08.26 15:18:00 -
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I don't think any honest REAL heavy player is going to complain about where the HMG is at. I regularly put up 30+ kill matches with an advanced HMG on a Dren suit. My K/D ratio has risen tremendously since I switched to heavy with Uprising. The HMG could use a quality of life buff here and there. I "think" we are getting one next patch, but that remains to be seen. Any weakness with the heavy lies in the suit and the user. But, we are getting a little love for the suit in 1.4 as well. So, the weakness is going to lie squarely on the user.
The HMG is an absolute terror in close combat. The aiming fixes and the turn speed fixes are going to make it MORE of a terror. I'm convinced that bad heavy players are just like bad tank players. They stand there thinking they should be nigh invincible. This is simply not the case. I shall include a few pointers below for you.
1) Yes, proficiency matters. Spend your SP to get that to 5 as soon as your core skills are in order.
2) Yes, core matters. Get your core armor and shield skills up ASAP. 1000 EHP without the first armor plate is beastly.
3) Yes, Damage Modifiers matter. Complex mods as soon as 1 and 2 are in order imo.
4) Yes, you have to take cover. Bullets are hella dangerous!
5) Yes, you have to strafe, albeit more slowly, like the assault players.
6) Yes, you are the problem if you can't put up big scores in PUB matches.
Example Pub Stomp Suit (Remember: Full core armor/shield and proficiency 5)
Dren Sentinel (Basic Sentinel will do just as well at a slightly higher cost)
Highs - Complex Damage Modifier (But, But, shield extenders... NO)
Lows - Cardiac Regulator Blueprint, 2x Blue Print armor Reps
Sidearm - Blueprint SMG
Heavy Weapon - MH-82 Heavy Machine Gun
Grenades - Blue Print
Sub 20k isk suit that destroys people. Many 40+ kill with less than 10 death matches with this bad boy. Your mileage may vary.
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