This is a refreshing attitude to see on a pilot, I like your moxie

But crying about things that haven't even happened yet is so much easier.

I never was bothered by swarmers anyway since im an assault dropship pilot. I do get hit by the occasional invisible swam volley. I just think vehicles need some counter AV to make it balanced. something like flares for dropships and a pulse for ground vehicles.

Seems like a lot of vehicle users, tankers especially, are really worried about the 1.4 swarm launcher changes. Well I'm a dropship pilot and I am not affraid of these changes. Should I be? Maybe, however swarms can kill vehicles now anyway, and since we haven't even seen these changes why are vehicle pilots so scared and outraged?
We should be doing what we have always done, learning adapting and getting on with our jobs.
Pilots have been tested time and time again, I don't intend to quit now because of a slight change in swarm launchers.
If anything its a challange, and I intend to meet it.

Will I loose more dropships? Yeah probably for a while, until I adapt and restratigise.
So harden the **** up fellow pilots, we got work to do!

You're a dropship pilot and can fit afterburners to react to any sort of swarm fire, swarms have never been a serious factor for you because your maneuverability was always able to get you out of sticky situations. Rails and Forges are already in a state where they make Dropships near useless to fly to begin with so Swarms becoming more effective AV doesn't really affect you because as a role in the current state of the game, you're already screwed.

The Swarm and LAV collision change are set to finish the job CCP set out to do when they made Dropships useless, they'll be making every other vehicle class useless as well.

Seems like a lot of vehicle users, tankers especially, are really worried about the 1.4 swarm launcher changes. Well I'm a dropship pilot and I am not affraid of these changes. Should I be? Maybe, however swarms can kill vehicles now anyway, and since we haven't even seen these changes why are vehicle pilots so scared and outraged?
We should be doing what we have always done, learning adapting and getting on with our jobs.
Pilots have been tested time and time again, I don't intend to quit now because of a slight change in swarm launchers.
If anything its a challange, and I intend to meet it.

Will I loose more dropships? Yeah probably for a while, until I adapt and restratigise.
So harden the **** up fellow pilots, we got work to do!

I admire your enthusiasm and nearsightedness .
You realize that HAV pilots have choice - they can switch to railgun and.. you know how it's gonna end for DS pilots.
But hey, your struggle gives me strength, keep up the good work.

Seems like a lot of vehicle users, tankers especially, are really worried about the 1.4 swarm launcher changes. Well I'm a dropship pilot and I am not affraid of these changes. Should I be? Maybe, however swarms can kill vehicles now anyway, and since we haven't even seen these changes why are vehicle pilots so scared and outraged?
We should be doing what we have always done, learning adapting and getting on with our jobs.
Pilots have been tested time and time again, I don't intend to quit now because of a slight change in swarm launchers.
If anything its a challange, and I intend to meet it.

Will I loose more dropships? Yeah probably for a while, until I adapt and restratigise.
So harden the **** up fellow pilots, we got work to do!

My squad was tanking in a Dom match and after we started rolling out they started a major push to out redline and beat us back with Proto AV. As we tried to push up the road their whole team was determined to take us out, three or four people were firing advanced or proto swarms at us we did our best to kill them with our Blasters turrets and used the members not in tanks to eliminate them with AR's and Snipers but as we tried a last ditch effort to advance an orb was dropped on our tanks and as backed up behind a hill to avoid a finishing volley of swarms I a bumped a tank in my squad or he bumped me (tanks don't have a good rear view) and instantly I explode. Now they want to buff swarms and let them lock faster giving us less time to get in range of them and spelling death for my burning tank. For the person who says idiot drive the other way and attack them from the left instead of pushing the right there was a Falchion guarding the other side witch could hit us far before we would have reached it.

It is true that dropship pilots are not known for their farsightedness, as most pilots choose the role knowing the drawbacks. This has got me thinking about how to deal with redline railgun tanks, I'm thinking putting a forge and some swarms up high near the red might do the trick, but we will see! Happy hunting!

Cool story bro. Swarms are also getting a clip reduction, so they will have to reload more, creating more time to engage from optimal range, which on a tank is pretty far. Atleast you can look to your sides.....I have to move my whole dropship to look somewhere. Since this is all speculation we don't know if they will be better or worse we will just have to see and deal with it like we always have, adapting and surviving. Keep safe mate, don't risk your tank if the battles not worth it!

And thanks to this thread I am gonna log on and lose a few :)

Dude, do the math. It's way more powerful now.

Or not.. first map was a pubstomp with an assault forge gun getting the first kill. Thank you stupid event.

Seems like a lot of vehicle users, tankers especially, are really worried about the 1.4 swarm launcher changes. Well I'm a dropship pilot and I am not affraid of these changes. Should I be? Maybe, however swarms can kill vehicles now anyway, and since we haven't even seen these changes why are vehicle pilots so scared and outraged?
We should be doing what we have always done, learning adapting and getting on with our jobs.
Pilots have been tested time and time again, I don't intend to quit now because of a slight change in swarm launchers.
If anything its a challange, and I intend to meet it.

Will I loose more dropships? Yeah probably for a while, until I adapt and restratigise.
So harden the **** up fellow pilots, we got work to do!

Could you please elaborare on what you mean by "as a role in the current state of the game, you're screwed."
I can be pretty useful, just need a crew of 4 and we can do amazing point control...

Dropships are countered too hard by any sort of Rail weaponry currently in the game for them to have any role short of getting uplinks in high places or for early game troop transport, both of which can be accomplished with militia tier dropships and for far less cost to the pilot.

This is what I mean when I say, "you're screwed." as a dropship pilot because the game in its current state offers no incentive for you to ever use a Dropship over literally any other vehicle in the game assuming you plan to use the thing outside of its niche of uplink placement and early game transport.

A Dropship is an expensive flying WP generator for the opposing team.

Seems like a lot of vehicle users, tankers especially, are really worried about the 1.4 swarm launcher changes. Well I'm a dropship pilot and I am not affraid of these changes. Should I be? Maybe, however swarms can kill vehicles now anyway, and since we haven't even seen these changes why are vehicle pilots so scared and outraged?
We should be doing what we have always done, learning adapting and getting on with our jobs.
Pilots have been tested time and time again, I don't intend to quit now because of a slight change in swarm launchers.
If anything its a challange, and I intend to meet it.

Will I loose more dropships? Yeah probably for a while, until I adapt and restratigise.
So harden the **** up fellow pilots, we got work to do!

Dropships are countered too hard by any sort of Rail weaponry currently in the game for them to have any role short of getting uplinks in high places or for early game troop transport, both of which can be accomplished with militia tier dropships and for far less cost to the pilot.

This is what I mean when I say, "you're screwed." as a dropship pilot because the game in its current state offers no incentive for you to ever use a Dropship over literally any other vehicle in the game assuming you plan to use the thing outside of its niche of uplink placement and early game transport.

A Dropship is an expensive flying WP generator for the opposing team.

lol...

I always find it funny to hear about niche role needing to adapt instead of creating circumstances for others to adapt to...
things are backwards when our vehicle pilots "need to adapt" man.

lol im a proto swarmer and it's the same thing every time. Team establishes control of map, I wiyrkomi the ever-loving fk out of any vehicle called.
Team redlined? No vehicle is getting out out of it.

If anything, you dropship pilots got fked over worse by the newly lowered flight ceiling.
Before you could at least offer a viable ultra-high altitude spawn position, safe from AV; now you guys are fked no matter what you do. AV is around? Good luck doing your job.

We'll see what happens come 1.4.

yup, we have always been nerfed and we broke our banks but have the heart to stick with vehicles... maybe someday we will be rewarded...

Seems like a lot of vehicle users, tankers especially, are really worried about the 1.4 swarm launcher changes. Well I'm a dropship pilot and I am not affraid of these changes. Should I be? Maybe, however swarms can kill vehicles now anyway, and since we haven't even seen these changes why are vehicle pilots so scared and outraged?
We should be doing what we have always done, learning adapting and getting on with our jobs.
Pilots have been tested time and time again, I don't intend to quit now because of a slight change in swarm launchers.
If anything its a challange, and I intend to meet it.

Will I loose more dropships? Yeah probably for a while, until I adapt and restratigise.
So harden the **** up fellow pilots, we got work to do!

Seems like a lot of vehicle users, tankers especially, are really worried about the 1.4 swarm launcher changes. Well I'm a dropship pilot and I am not affraid of these changes. Should I be? Maybe, however swarms can kill vehicles now anyway, and since we haven't even seen these changes why are vehicle pilots so scared and outraged?
We should be doing what we have always done, learning adapting and getting on with our jobs.
Pilots have been tested time and time again, I don't intend to quit now because of a slight change in swarm launchers.
If anything its a challange, and I intend to meet it.

Will I loose more dropships? Yeah probably for a while, until I adapt and restratigise.
So harden the **** up fellow pilots, we got work to do!

Fellow pilot, in response to AV changes I want to get the word out on the wonders of dual afterburner fitting. It's going to help all of us mercs in the sky.

Your general lack of knowledge about dropships is insulting sir. Infact using a dropship to get "high" yourself with out a pilot is what leads people to post theories that really belittle dedicated pilots. I've shot down many of these wannabe pilots and cost them many isk for attempting such a foolish tactic. Then drop shocktroopers on your first point. Dropships take the most skill to use as you not only need really good piloting skills but also a gunner and a crew of 3 if you want to be effective and, like you stated, so many things can go wrong.

I know your not a pilot, the transport role is the niche of the std dropships, assault dropships niche is providing fire support, doing point control, recon, air superiority, extract and anti sniper opperations.

No wonder so many people hate dropship pilots if they think all we do is get snipers and forge gunners high

I AM a pilot but you're welcome to think what you'd like about me. The fact that Dropships are useless in Uprising can be a bitter pill to swallow and this upcoming update, 1.4, surely won't be making things better for your and my situation. When taking out a Dropship takes more effort than going to the redline and calling a rail tank to put them out of their misery in 2 shots I'll be happy to acknowledge roles for them that go beyond what I mentioned in previous posts. But as is, Assault or Standard or Logistics, it's all the same to a Forge Gunner or Rail Tanker.

:P

All most of you vehicle drivers/pilots want is to be invincible and solo clear entire teams. You won't be happy now and you won't be happy later. Why do you have to be so contrary?

Forge Guns/Railguns experienced a serious NERF in Uprising because of the introduction of falloff damage. They are the easiest they've ever been to survive. Bear in mind that these are weapons designed to be your hard counter. The real problem lies in the size of the maps.

When they get larger Forge gunners will be here crying

These posts crack me up, should I be happy about the current state of Dropships? Really when the entire vehicle class is negated by a single forge gunner chilling god knows where on a map and that's able to shoot me down before I can even activate my reppers should I be satisfied?

No one here is asking for invincibility, they're asking for a defined role in the game that justifies their use on a battlefield. If you genuinely believe their current incarnation in Uprising is satisfactory then we have no common ground to have a conversation.

No, you want to be invincible. All it takes is a squad with mics and vehicles suddenly become extremely powerful. "No they don't" will tell me you've never done/even attempted this. Dropships want to be gunships, tanks want to be invincible (solo), LAV's want to not need a gunner to get kills. LAV's already got their wish unfortunately.

Besides that you missed the point entirely. I implied that maps (including objectives, spawns, etc.) should be larger and more spread apart. This would be a massive buff to dropships as they could simply operate about to the "wait a sec I can get sniped in a vehicle" gun's range.

"But wait how will I know where they are" read this post again. Also Numnutz gave you a nice list of clearly defined roles.

"If you disagree with me then I'm not talking to you". Sigh, I don't know why I even come to the forums.

Is the current incarnation of vehicles perfect? No, of course not. But is it as horrible as you all are making it out to be? Then why do I still see tanks everywhere? Why do Assault DSes always seem to find my sniper perches? Using vehicles effectively is very reliant on extreme skill. Yes, it's probably the most challenging thing to do this game. And sorry, but full potential only comes out with teamwork. If anything vehicles could use a solid price reduction. I suppose I'd agree that they aren't quite worth the ISK invested, but then again this is part of EVE, where you pay ten times as much for an extra 2% on a module/ship

this isn't the case for LAVs or Tanks who at least have numerous places where they can take cover from enemy fire while still advancing into enemy territory.

Oh like the flight ceiling? Or the extended redline just for aircraft?

I feel like your problem is twofold:
1. You need more practice. Dropships are in fact very very very very hard to use correctly.
2. You really should get a squad. Preferably a more competent one than you play with now.

I personally play with Numnutz often and I can confirm that it's taken him hundreds of downed dropships for him to be remotely this positive about flying them

hundreds of downed dropships

Considering Numnutz doesn't run Afterburners I'd love to see how that transition from being in the thick of battle to a place where you can avoid enemy AV works out for you guys. I've played the fun game of cat and mouse while retreating to the redline / flight ceiling and hoping the enemy AV gets bored waiting for me to come down so I can be granted another 5 whole minutes of near useful gameplay again but I've found I'm infinitely more useful to my team and squad when I'm simply running a more effective vehicle class.

We'll agree to disagree. I'll keep on the eye out for your Squad though, I'd love to be proven wrong.

The way that i have found most effective is this; skill into an advanced large railgun and fight fire with fire

Considering Numnutz doesn't run Afterburners I'd love to see how that transition from being in the thick of battle to a place where you can avoid enemy AV works out for you guys. I've played the fun game of cat and mouse while retreating to the redline / flight ceiling and hoping the enemy AV gets bored waiting for me to come down so I can be granted another 5 whole minutes of near useful gameplay again but I've found I'm infinitely more useful to my team and squad when I'm simply running a more effective vehicle class.

We'll agree to disagree. I'll keep on the eye out for your Squad though, I'd love to be proven wrong.

But serimos, do I become the evil that I seek to destroy? I've been on the fence about this, and I still don't know....

No you don't, because the people you'll be shooting that railgun tank at are the ones who live to screw DS pilots over every single day. You have no idea how good it feels to blow up a railgun tank that has been trying to destroy my dropship by using my own railgun tank against them.

well then I might just have to skill into tanks a little. I was planning on skilling into logistics and scout Lav's anyway (not to run people over but to use them for what they are actually meant for) Would you recommend a gunlogi or just a sica?

Not like dropships can be any more vunerable at this point in time tho is it?

well then I might just have to skill into tanks a little. I was planning on skilling into logistics and scout Lav's anyway (not to run people over but to use them for what they are actually meant for) Would you recommend a gunlogi or just a sica?

I'd go Gunlogi, It doesn't cost as much SP as you'd think since we're already skilled into caldari dropships, one of the most essential and costly parts of tanks we have already covered; shield extenders. My gunlogi has an advanced railgun turret and 6,100 shield :D

Yeah i actualy skilled into a LAV recently as well, but I still don't really enjoy it that much so I'm kind of regretting using that SP, and for me I'm not skilled into a **** ton of other vehicles so LAV skilling is a pretty big sink for me at least, although the reason I am kind of sticking with a logi lav is because it can actively heal ground units, and in PC there's a strategy that could really be hard hitting if i skill into it right.

Seems like a lot of vehicle users, tankers especially, are really worried about the 1.4 swarm launcher changes. Well I'm a dropship pilot and I am not affraid of these changes. Should I be? Maybe, however swarms can kill vehicles now anyway, and since we haven't even seen these changes why are vehicle pilots so scared and outraged?
We should be doing what we have always done, learning adapting and getting on with our jobs.
Pilots have been tested time and time again, I don't intend to quit now because of a slight change in swarm launchers.
If anything its a challange, and I intend to meet it.

Will I loose more dropships? Yeah probably for a while, until I adapt and restratigise.
So harden the **** up fellow pilots, we got work to do!

Seems like a lot of vehicle users, tankers especially, are really worried about the 1.4 swarm launcher changes. Well I'm a dropship pilot and I am not affraid of these changes. Should I be? Maybe, however swarms can kill vehicles now anyway, and since we haven't even seen these changes why are vehicle pilots so scared and outraged?
We should be doing what we have always done, learning adapting and getting on with our jobs.
Pilots have been tested time and time again, I don't intend to quit now because of a slight change in swarm launchers.
If anything its a challange, and I intend to meet it.

Will I loose more dropships? Yeah probably for a while, until I adapt and restratigise.
So harden the **** up fellow pilots, we got work to do!

My tank can't out run swarms They shaved more than a second and a half off of swarm launcher lock time a second and a half less air time for swarms.