Liarrrrrrrrr.

OK, so my 100k proto swarm fit with 3 complex dmg mods and level 3 prof has a hard time with maddys...yet your just running at them over and over with a std swarm launch and they just...die?

Teach me.

climb somewhere high with good line of sight, glitch out render distance so your invisable to everyone.

you can tell your invisable to everyone when infantry stops rendering properly, most infantry wont be able to see you (snipers definatly wont) and tanks and other vehicles will still render for you due to them having a higher render priority.

then just spam away and watch everything either die or hide

Height advantage is one thing, but on the ground is another.

Height advantage is one thing, but on the ground is another.

OK, so my 100k proto swarm fit with 3 complex dmg mods and level 3 prof has a hard time with maddys...yet your just running at them over and over with a std swarm launch and they just...die?

Teach me.

I will wait to see what 1.5 has to offer before passing judgement, but why does evreyone assume aV weapons are supposed to be weak?
Even in RL they some of the strongest weapon that exist. A round will ventilate, but aV cook you while you still breathe if it didnt detonate and send you into giblets.
aV has always been brutally good at being aV. Why would this change in the millennia ahead?

Honestly it sounds like you just have first hand evidence of what a lot of us have been saying
Most tanker drivers are terrible at it and have not learned proper tactics

Inb4 some butt hurt dude is all "But I drive well and get instapopped and blah blah blah whine whine whine"

i dare you to come up with a tactic to combat the invisable swarmer/forger with LOS to aparently everywhere

best you can hope for is to hope to live long enough to recall your tank and run something else

yet another who seems to suck at dust lol

First off someone from Infamous crying about people being invisible is hilarious to me since I remember how you guys exploited the hell out of the invisibility bug

Second its really not all that hard to develop tactics to avoid these things, first you just learn the common places guys set up on a map and really the majority of people will set up in the same place and then you learn exactly what areas that place covers and to do that youll probably need to set foot wherever it is and actually learn it not "Oh theres a tower there I bet it can see here, here and there" and from there is just not leaving yourself in the danger zone that long or even baiting the guy by extending half a second longer than usual and grabbing his attention while a friendly sniper pops his lid
Dont forget that sniper rifles have an insane draw distance over every other weapon

Heh, I remember my favorite sniper kill, I spawned into a match that was already half over and I see in the kill feed this guy with a Thales so I grab my own rifle and check the usual camping spots, FYI snipers and AV have spots in common since good visibility is key for both, anyway I zero him after looking around a bit and get this guy with a red zone to red zone head shot at nearly 500 meters

Ran a advanced mini medium suit.
Fit
Dren swarms. Because I have not skilled into swarms.
Standard AV nade
high
standard damage modesx3
low
speed fit

Ya I had no trouble killing madrugers.

Soloed tanks all night long with this fit.

No idea how people can say tanks are OPed when I died probab 1-2 times at most in a fit that cost 5k isk. then I would kill the tank that cost 1.2m plus.

Ya sorry AV is currently OP. Not by alot but it easily fucks up vehicles

How is OP, when I can walk right up to you and shoot you dead with a scrambler pistol? Or shoot you from 50m away and kill you with an AR?

if you do it right your invisable to snipers as well since they suffer from the same rendering problems

so remove sniping from your counter stratagy and it seems your only tactic is "avoid most of the map and stay away from combat"

seems to me like that just states "tanks are not viable because broken game"

Man you go on about rendering so much and get it horribly wrong
Now you want to talk about swarms not rendering thats a known issue and totally needs to be fixed but here you are harping "Da mean old AV man is invisible to everyone" when thats just not true, ask any counter sniper
The only people I can possible imagine being completely out of everyones render distance would be hugging the back of their red zone and really if someone gets a shot on you from that distance they deserve it

Also again hilarious that a guy from a corp that everyone knew was abusing a glitch is whining about render distance

im not the one useing ad hominem arguments thats YOU.

you diddnt have a rebuttal, you had a non applicable compairison.

if you need a rebuttal to it then real life isnt balanced, games are, so unbalanced real life examples cant be converted into balanced game examples.

nothing in this game actually resembles real life in any meaningful way except for the paint job.

and an armchair psychologist wouldnt be on these forums, this is game design 101, im not sure where your getting psychology from in any of this.

have a real conversation about the topic rather than just waving around terms you dont understand please

You want to talk about rebuttals when all you have done ever since you started talking about this issue, what 2 days ago, was repeat the same thing over and over despite my own and others post essentially saying "It does not work that way, here is why and here is what you personally can do" but in the face of all of that you time and again fall back on "But da renderenenenen"

You want to talk about ad hominem arguments even though when you were called on your BS or when someone made a good point you go off on a tangent about how the other person doesnt know what they are talking about, how what they say carries no weight and they should not be listened to while offering nothing to back up your claim that they are wrong and again ignoring when it is brought up that that is what you are doing


You have no legs in any argument since all you have done so far is repeat one sound bite over and over, because you accuse others of doing things you have already done yourself exposing you as a hypocrite, and when pressed on these facts you attempt to make threats hiding behind your corp tag


Also hilariously ironic that you say dont use terms you dont understand but obviously fail to comprehend what an armchair psychologist is by going "herp derp dis is gaming forum"

You want to talk about rebuttals when all you have done ever since you started talking about this issue, what 2 days ago, was repeat the same thing over and over despite my own and others post essentially saying "It does not work that way, here is why and here is what you personally can do" but in the face of all of that you time and again fall back on "But da renderenenenen"

You want to talk about ad hominem arguments even though when you were called on your BS or when someone made a good point you go off on a tangent about how the other person doesnt know what they are talking about, how what they say carries no weight and they should not be listened to while offering nothing to back up your claim that they are wrong and again ignoring when it is brought up that that is what you are doing


You have no legs in any argument since all you have done so far is repeat one sound bite over and over, because you accuse others of doing things you have already done yourself exposing you as a hypocrite, and when pressed on these facts you attempt to make threats hiding behind your corp tag


Also hilariously ironic that you say dont use terms you dont understand but obviously fail to comprehend what an armchair psychologist is by going "herp derp dis is gaming forum"

Honestly it sounds like you just have first hand evidence of what a lot of us have been saying
Most tanker drivers are terrible at it and have not learned proper tactics

Inb4 some butt hurt dude is all "But I drive well and get instapopped and blah blah blah whine whine whine"