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Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.08.24 15:25:00 -
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My Madrugar got wrecked by a militia swarm.....I had 7k+ ehp.....with my reppers and shield boosters active and still got blown up by a militia swarm in 3 shots. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1840
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Posted - 2013.08.24 15:25:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:Delta 749 wrote:
You want to talk about rebuttals when all you have done ever since you started talking about this issue, what 2 days ago, was repeat the same thing over and over despite my own and others post essentially saying "It does not work that way, here is why and here is what you personally can do" but in the face of all of that you time and again fall back on "But da renderenenenen"
You want to talk about ad hominem arguments even though when you were called on your BS or when someone made a good point you go off on a tangent about how the other person doesnt know what they are talking about, how what they say carries no weight and they should not be listened to while offering nothing to back up your claim that they are wrong and again ignoring when it is brought up that that is what you are doing
You have no legs in any argument since all you have done so far is repeat one sound bite over and over, because you accuse others of doing things you have already done yourself exposing you as a hypocrite, and when pressed on these facts you attempt to make threats hiding behind your corp tag
Also hilariously ironic that you say dont use terms you dont understand but obviously fail to comprehend what an armchair psychologist is by going "herp derp dis is gaming forum"
it DOES work that way, it has been proven, and your suggestions on what to do about it are flawed and dont work. testing has shown those statements to be true. so, now that weve establised that my procedual testing trumps your anecdotal evidence how about we just assume that it doesnt matter how many times you give the argument it doesnt make it true. i attack their argument, show how they dont actually have one outside of it boiling down to "nuh unh if i dont see it it doesnt exsist" youve done nothing but attack me personally and provide solutions that are inadaquate at best, and just plain non functional at worst. ive tryed to actually reason with you and explain my position bbut ironically trying to refute "It does not work that way, here is why and here is what you personally can do" with "it DOES work that way, here is how i know, and this is why your suggestions as to what you can do dont work" issnt an acceptable responce. ive also threatened absolutly nothing
If it has been proven then providing that proof would easily lay all this to rest, if you dont then everything your argument is as anecdotal as you accuse mine of being
Quote:next your going to tell me i shouldnt be exploiting the hell out of this form of invisability in order to get it fixed?
last time people called for our heads.... what will happen if i get the corp doing it this time as well?
See now thats a direct quote from you in another thread and it sure sounds like a thinly veiled threat to me along with some e peen waving around trying to intimidate the conversation in a direction you can control
Again you leave these big gaping holes in your argument I could drive a tank through, there are several ways you could back up your claims which you have not done despite claiming to have known this problem for months and gathered data on it and such and when pushed on it you stall, claim others have attacked you first, attempt to divert the flow of the conversation, basically anything you can to avoid admitting you are wrong
This isnt even 4chan tard level of transparent idiocy, its below that and that you actually think its working and that you have portrayed yourself well and that your actions and then backpedaling on those actions wouldnt be noticed is just pathetic |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1840
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Posted - 2013.08.24 15:27:00 -
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Lillica Deathdealer wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:im not the one useing ad hominem arguments thats YOU.
you diddnt have a rebuttal, you had a non applicable compairison.
if you need a rebuttal to it then real life isnt balanced, games are, so unbalanced real life examples cant be converted into balanced game examples.
nothing in this game actually resembles real life in any meaningful way except for the paint job.
and an armchair psychologist wouldnt be on these forums, this is game design 101, im not sure where your getting psychology from in any of this.
have a real conversation about the topic rather than just waving around terms you dont understand please You want to talk about rebuttals when all you have done ever since you started talking about this issue, what 2 days ago, was repeat the same thing over and over despite my own and others post essentially saying "It does not work that way, here is why and here is what you personally can do" but in the face of all of that you time and again fall back on "But da renderenenenen" You want to talk about ad hominem arguments even though when you were called on your BS or when someone made a good point you go off on a tangent about how the other person doesnt know what they are talking about, how what they say carries no weight and they should not be listened to while offering nothing to back up your claim that they are wrong and again ignoring when it is brought up that that is what you are doing You have no legs in any argument since all you have done so far is repeat one sound bite over and over, because you accuse others of doing things you have already done yourself exposing you as a hypocrite, and when pressed on these facts you attempt to make threats hiding behind your corp tag Also hilariously ironic that you say dont use terms you dont understand but obviously fail to comprehend what an armchair psychologist is by going "herp derp dis is gaming forum" I imagine you smell like poop after taking the time to type this same BS in over and over. See? I can insult you too, isnt it nice? Isnt it productive? Arent we reaching a consensus, and trying to improve the game for both ends? I thought so, too.
Oh we were but like I said when pressed on issues he offers nothing to back it up and after a couple days of him trying to ride my nuts in any thread related to the issue Ive decided to troll and practice some insults and dissection |
Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
463
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Posted - 2013.08.24 15:31:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:Delta 749 wrote:
You want to talk about rebuttals when all you have done ever since you started talking about this issue, what 2 days ago, was repeat the same thing over and over despite my own and others post essentially saying "It does not work that way, here is why and here is what you personally can do" but in the face of all of that you time and again fall back on "But da renderenenenen"
You want to talk about ad hominem arguments even though when you were called on your BS or when someone made a good point you go off on a tangent about how the other person doesnt know what they are talking about, how what they say carries no weight and they should not be listened to while offering nothing to back up your claim that they are wrong and again ignoring when it is brought up that that is what you are doing
You have no legs in any argument since all you have done so far is repeat one sound bite over and over, because you accuse others of doing things you have already done yourself exposing you as a hypocrite, and when pressed on these facts you attempt to make threats hiding behind your corp tag
Also hilariously ironic that you say dont use terms you dont understand but obviously fail to comprehend what an armchair psychologist is by going "herp derp dis is gaming forum"
it DOES work that way, it has been proven, and your suggestions on what to do about it are flawed and dont work. testing has shown those statements to be true. so, now that weve establised that my procedual testing trumps your anecdotal evidence how about we just assume that it doesnt matter how many times you give the argument it doesnt make it true. i attack their argument, show how they dont actually have one outside of it boiling down to "nuh unh if i dont see it it doesnt exsist" youve done nothing but attack me personally and provide solutions that are inadaquate at best, and just plain non functional at worst. ive tryed to actually reason with you and explain my position bbut ironically trying to refute "It does not work that way, here is why and here is what you personally can do" with "it DOES work that way, here is how i know, and this is why your suggestions as to what you can do dont work" issnt an acceptable responce. ive also threatened absolutly nothing If it has been proven then providing that proof would easily lay all this to rest, if you dont then everything your argument is as anecdotal as you accuse mine of being Quote:next your going to tell me i shouldnt be exploiting the hell out of this form of invisability in order to get it fixed?
last time people called for our heads.... what will happen if i get the corp doing it this time as well?
See now thats a direct quote from you in another thread and it sure sounds like a thinly veiled threat to me along with some e peen waving around trying to intimidate the conversation in a direction you can control Again you leave these big gaping holes in your argument I could drive a tank through, there are several ways you could back up your claims which you have not done despite claiming to have known this problem for months and gathered data on it and such and when pushed on it you stall, claim others have attacked you first, attempt to divert the flow of the conversation, basically anything you can to avoid admitting you are wrong This isnt even 4chan tard level of transparent idiocy, its below that and that you actually think its working and that you have portrayed yourself well and that your actions and then backpedaling on those actions wouldnt be noticed is just pathetic bug report forum, first page
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=74777&find=unread
first post from may 9th
if you want more search "invisable swarm" "invisable forge" "invisable sniper" "invisable players"
you will find 40+ threads on the issues surrounding rendering and mentions of invisable AVers dating back all the way to the first week of the rendering changes
recreating the glitches boils down to "go to this exact point on the map, stand there and shoot AV untill you run out of ammo, then scuicide and do it again."
i cant release the exact locations due to forum rules, nore do i want them to be widely known as enough people know about it to make it a hastle already.
and as a note you should notice that my name pops up absolutly nowhere in reguards to the invisability glitching tied to my corps name. in fact only 3 names pop up.
hardly a whole corp and hardly me directly. i test the issues, im not known for abusing them. my statemtn was simply an observation on how quickly it got fixed once it became widely and visably abused for profit. by a small minority |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
3123
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Posted - 2013.08.24 16:36:00 -
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More imp bullshit. It's been a while.
My advanced swarms with damage mods can't scratch decent HAVs. No way in hell a standard swarm without the skill is going to do any better. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
3124
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Posted - 2013.08.24 16:40:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:im not the one useing ad hominem arguments thats YOU.
you diddnt have a rebuttal, you had a non applicable compairison.
if you need a rebuttal to it then real life isnt balanced, games are, so unbalanced real life examples cant be converted into balanced game examples.
nothing in this game actually resembles real life in any meaningful way except for the paint job.
and an armchair psychologist wouldnt be on these forums, this is game design 101, im not sure where your getting psychology from in any of this.
have a real conversation about the topic rather than just waving around terms you dont understand please You want to talk about rebuttals when all you have done ever since you started talking about this issue, what 2 days ago, was repeat the same thing over and over despite my own and others post essentially saying "It does not work that way, here is why and here is what you personally can do" but in the face of all of that you time and again fall back on "But da renderenenenen" You want to talk about ad hominem arguments even though when you were called on your BS or when someone made a good point you go off on a tangent about how the other person doesnt know what they are talking about, how what they say carries no weight and they should not be listened to while offering nothing to back up your claim that they are wrong and again ignoring when it is brought up that that is what you are doing You have no legs in any argument since all you have done so far is repeat one sound bite over and over, because you accuse others of doing things you have already done yourself exposing you as a hypocrite, and when pressed on these facts you attempt to make threats hiding behind your corp tag Also hilariously ironic that you say dont use terms you dont understand but obviously fail to comprehend what an armchair psychologist is by going "herp derp dis is gaming forum" Don't let him derail the argument. I have a year's worth of practice at dealing with these kinds of people in dust. |
THE TRAINSPOTTER
ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN
212
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Posted - 2013.08.24 16:47:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:8213 wrote:Caeli SineDeo wrote:Ran a advanced mini medium suit. Fit Dren swarms. Because I have not skilled into swarms. Standard AV nade high standard damage modesx3 low speed fit
Ya I had no trouble killing madrugers.
Soloed tanks all night long with this fit.
No idea how people can say tanks are OPed when I died probab 1-2 times at most in a fit that cost 5k isk. then I would kill the tank that cost 1.2m plus.
Ya sorry AV is currently OP. Not by alot but it easily fucks up vehicles How is OP, when I can walk right up to you and shoot you dead with a scrambler pistol? Or shoot you from 50m away and kill you with an AR? how is infantry vs infantry combat relevant to tank VS av combat?
because when swarmers unload their load on a tank , the whole map see that , especially snipers or close enemy infantry
you are a perfect example of meat bag who would die first in a real war
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pyramidhead 420
89th Infantry Division
0
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Posted - 2013.08.24 17:05:00 -
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shut up kid |
Nemo Bluntz
TeamPlayers EoN.
414
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Posted - 2013.08.24 17:32:00 -
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I would love the see the video of a tank dropping to standard swarms with a couple damage mods.
Actually, I don't need to see the video. I know exactly what it would look like. It would be a tanker in a militia/standard tank barreling into a fight, not worrying about cover, not using modules, not retreating then getting killed as a guy bombards him with 3-4 direct hit swarm shots, nearly point blank, with a few av nades for dessert.
Swarms aren't OP, dumb ass tankers are UP. Any tanker with half a brain can handle swarms. Everyone else is just a crybaby at this point. |
Nemo Bluntz
TeamPlayers EoN.
415
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Posted - 2013.08.24 17:50:00 -
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Oh, here's a video of a derp getting berated by swarms. Let's see how that works out for him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HwiIU6rJCk
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Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
470
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Posted - 2013.08.24 18:43:00 -
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invisable swarms at 5:56 if anyones interested in seeing some (lol)
start a little before that.
side impact, no trail, no explosive effect just impact physics |
Nemo Bluntz
TeamPlayers EoN.
415
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Posted - 2013.08.24 18:52:00 -
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....and it still survived.
But let's get to that viewpoint... should swarms not be able to kill vehicles because of a glitch that makes them invisible? Or should that glitch be fixed?
I mean, I don't see anyone arguing that melee should be nerfed because of the melee glitch. Why is that? Address the bug, don't nerf the weapon. |
Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
470
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Posted - 2013.08.24 18:56:00 -
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Nemo Bluntz wrote:....and it still survived.
But let's get to that viewpoint... should swarms not be able to kill vehicles because of a glitch that makes them invisible? Or should that glitch be fixed?
I mean, I don't see anyone arguing that melee should be nerfed because of the melee glitch. Why is that? Address the bug, don't nerf the weapon.
lol imagine how he would of coped if the swarm hit him consistanly the whole time instead of 1 or 2 hits a minuite
he woulda been mesed up. bad swarmer was bad.
judge the top 10% not the bottom 90%
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Thumb Green
Novashift
320
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Posted - 2013.08.24 19:06:00 -
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Caeli SineDeo wrote:Ran a advanced mini medium suit. Fit Dren swarms. Because I have not skilled into swarms. Standard AV nade high standard damage modesx3 low speed fit
Ya I had no trouble killing madrugers.
Soloed tanks all night long with this fit.
No idea how people can say tanks are OPed when I died probab 1-2 times at most in a fit that cost 5k isk. then I would kill the tank that cost 1.2m plus.
Ya sorry AV is currently OP. Not by alot but it easily fucks up vehicles
Shitfits and idiot tank drivers/crews are easy to take out and are nothing to brag about. Especially when it's a combination of both. |
Nemo Bluntz
TeamPlayers EoN.
415
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Posted - 2013.08.24 19:07:00 -
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Let's see. Time stamp of that first barrage of swarms.
1:53; 2:00; 2:18; 2:28
That's 4 full hits in 35 seconds and the DS didn't even think about running away until the hit at 2:18. And the thing had full health back at 3:00 on the dot.
but swarms are soooooo OP Give me a break. |
Caeli SineDeo
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
669
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Posted - 2013.08.25 13:54:00 -
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8213 wrote:Caeli SineDeo wrote:Ran a advanced mini medium suit. Fit Dren swarms. Because I have not skilled into swarms. Standard AV nade high standard damage modesx3 low speed fit
Ya I had no trouble killing madrugers.
Soloed tanks all night long with this fit.
No idea how people can say tanks are OPed when I died probab 1-2 times at most in a fit that cost 5k isk. then I would kill the tank that cost 1.2m plus.
Ya sorry AV is currently OP. Not by alot but it easily fucks up vehicles How is OP, when I can walk right up to you and shoot you dead with a scrambler pistol? Or shoot you from 50m away and kill you with an AR? OP would probably kill you in his sleep take a look at my K/D and W/L if you need clarification. |
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