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Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
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Posted - 2013.08.24 13:17:00 -
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Honestly it sounds like you just have first hand evidence of what a lot of us have been saying
Most tanker drivers are terrible at it and have not learned proper tactics
Inb4 some butt hurt dude is all "But I drive well and get instapopped and blah blah blah whine whine whine" |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
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Posted - 2013.08.24 13:27:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Honestly it sounds like you just have first hand evidence of what a lot of us have been saying
Most tanker drivers are terrible at it and have not learned proper tactics
Inb4 some butt hurt dude is all "But I drive well and get instapopped and blah blah blah whine whine whine" i dare you to come up with a tactic to combat the invisable swarmer/forger with LOS to aparently everywhere best you can hope for is to hope to live long enough to recall your tank and run something else
First off someone from Infamous crying about people being invisible is hilarious to me since I remember how you guys exploited the hell out of the invisibility bug
Second its really not all that hard to develop tactics to avoid these things, first you just learn the common places guys set up on a map and really the majority of people will set up in the same place and then you learn exactly what areas that place covers and to do that youll probably need to set foot wherever it is and actually learn it not "Oh theres a tower there I bet it can see here, here and there" and from there is just not leaving yourself in the danger zone that long or even baiting the guy by extending half a second longer than usual and grabbing his attention while a friendly sniper pops his lid
Dont forget that sniper rifles have an insane draw distance over every other weapon
Heh, I remember my favorite sniper kill, I spawned into a match that was already half over and I see in the kill feed this guy with a Thales so I grab my own rifle and check the usual camping spots, FYI snipers and AV have spots in common since good visibility is key for both, anyway I zero him after looking around a bit and get this guy with a red zone to red zone head shot at nearly 500 meters |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
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Posted - 2013.08.24 14:22:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Honestly it sounds like you just have first hand evidence of what a lot of us have been saying
Most tanker drivers are terrible at it and have not learned proper tactics
Inb4 some butt hurt dude is all "But I drive well and get instapopped and blah blah blah whine whine whine" i dare you to come up with a tactic to combat the invisable swarmer/forger with LOS to aparently everywhere best you can hope for is to hope to live long enough to recall your tank and run something else First off someone from Infamous crying about people being invisible is hilarious to me since I remember how you guys exploited the hell out of the invisibility bug Second its really not all that hard to develop tactics to avoid these things, first you just learn the common places guys set up on a map and really the majority of people will set up in the same place and then you learn exactly what areas that place covers and to do that youll probably need to set foot wherever it is and actually learn it not "Oh theres a tower there I bet it can see here, here and there" and from there is just not leaving yourself in the danger zone that long or even baiting the guy by extending half a second longer than usual and grabbing his attention while a friendly sniper pops his lid Dont forget that sniper rifles have an insane draw distance over every other weapon Heh, I remember my favorite sniper kill, I spawned into a match that was already half over and I see in the kill feed this guy with a Thales so I grab my own rifle and check the usual camping spots, FYI snipers and AV have spots in common since good visibility is key for both, anyway I zero him after looking around a bit and get this guy with a red zone to red zone head shot at nearly 500 meters if you do it right your invisable to snipers as well since they suffer from the same rendering problems so remove sniping from your counter stratagy and it seems your only tactic is "avoid most of the map and stay away from combat" seems to me like that just states "tanks are not viable because broken game"
Man you go on about rendering so much and get it horribly wrong
Now you want to talk about swarms not rendering thats a known issue and totally needs to be fixed but here you are harping "Da mean old AV man is invisible to everyone" when thats just not true, ask any counter sniper
The only people I can possible imagine being completely out of everyones render distance would be hugging the back of their red zone and really if someone gets a shot on you from that distance they deserve it
Also again hilarious that a guy from a corp that everyone knew was abusing a glitch is whining about render distance |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
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Posted - 2013.08.24 14:44:00 -
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Ignores my rebuttal to his comment, tries to railroad the conversation into something else and then does some tiny **** e peen waving and posturing
This shows Chance knows he is on the ropes in this argument and is attempting to deflect and mislead to cover his weak position
0/10 since its just so painfully obvious whats going on, perhaps you should take up a debate course?
Oh and armchair psychologist says that by initially speccing fully into a tank and then complaining that others have made it useless could be interpreted as a metaphor for sexual impotence and insecurity in your own ***** size with the tank being an overcompensation tool such as a loud fast car in the real world and that when it is destroyed it painfully reminds you of your own personal short comings
QQ moar |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
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Posted - 2013.08.24 15:06:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:im not the one useing ad hominem arguments thats YOU.
you diddnt have a rebuttal, you had a non applicable compairison.
if you need a rebuttal to it then real life isnt balanced, games are, so unbalanced real life examples cant be converted into balanced game examples.
nothing in this game actually resembles real life in any meaningful way except for the paint job.
and an armchair psychologist wouldnt be on these forums, this is game design 101, im not sure where your getting psychology from in any of this.
have a real conversation about the topic rather than just waving around terms you dont understand please
You want to talk about rebuttals when all you have done ever since you started talking about this issue, what 2 days ago, was repeat the same thing over and over despite my own and others post essentially saying "It does not work that way, here is why and here is what you personally can do" but in the face of all of that you time and again fall back on "But da renderenenenen"
You want to talk about ad hominem arguments even though when you were called on your BS or when someone made a good point you go off on a tangent about how the other person doesnt know what they are talking about, how what they say carries no weight and they should not be listened to while offering nothing to back up your claim that they are wrong and again ignoring when it is brought up that that is what you are doing
You have no legs in any argument since all you have done so far is repeat one sound bite over and over, because you accuse others of doing things you have already done yourself exposing you as a hypocrite, and when pressed on these facts you attempt to make threats hiding behind your corp tag
Also hilariously ironic that you say dont use terms you dont understand but obviously fail to comprehend what an armchair psychologist is by going "herp derp dis is gaming forum" |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
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Posted - 2013.08.24 15:25:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:Delta 749 wrote:
You want to talk about rebuttals when all you have done ever since you started talking about this issue, what 2 days ago, was repeat the same thing over and over despite my own and others post essentially saying "It does not work that way, here is why and here is what you personally can do" but in the face of all of that you time and again fall back on "But da renderenenenen"
You want to talk about ad hominem arguments even though when you were called on your BS or when someone made a good point you go off on a tangent about how the other person doesnt know what they are talking about, how what they say carries no weight and they should not be listened to while offering nothing to back up your claim that they are wrong and again ignoring when it is brought up that that is what you are doing
You have no legs in any argument since all you have done so far is repeat one sound bite over and over, because you accuse others of doing things you have already done yourself exposing you as a hypocrite, and when pressed on these facts you attempt to make threats hiding behind your corp tag
Also hilariously ironic that you say dont use terms you dont understand but obviously fail to comprehend what an armchair psychologist is by going "herp derp dis is gaming forum"
it DOES work that way, it has been proven, and your suggestions on what to do about it are flawed and dont work. testing has shown those statements to be true. so, now that weve establised that my procedual testing trumps your anecdotal evidence how about we just assume that it doesnt matter how many times you give the argument it doesnt make it true. i attack their argument, show how they dont actually have one outside of it boiling down to "nuh unh if i dont see it it doesnt exsist" youve done nothing but attack me personally and provide solutions that are inadaquate at best, and just plain non functional at worst. ive tryed to actually reason with you and explain my position bbut ironically trying to refute "It does not work that way, here is why and here is what you personally can do" with "it DOES work that way, here is how i know, and this is why your suggestions as to what you can do dont work" issnt an acceptable responce. ive also threatened absolutly nothing
If it has been proven then providing that proof would easily lay all this to rest, if you dont then everything your argument is as anecdotal as you accuse mine of being
Quote:next your going to tell me i shouldnt be exploiting the hell out of this form of invisability in order to get it fixed?
last time people called for our heads.... what will happen if i get the corp doing it this time as well?
See now thats a direct quote from you in another thread and it sure sounds like a thinly veiled threat to me along with some e peen waving around trying to intimidate the conversation in a direction you can control
Again you leave these big gaping holes in your argument I could drive a tank through, there are several ways you could back up your claims which you have not done despite claiming to have known this problem for months and gathered data on it and such and when pushed on it you stall, claim others have attacked you first, attempt to divert the flow of the conversation, basically anything you can to avoid admitting you are wrong
This isnt even 4chan tard level of transparent idiocy, its below that and that you actually think its working and that you have portrayed yourself well and that your actions and then backpedaling on those actions wouldnt be noticed is just pathetic |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
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Posted - 2013.08.24 15:27:00 -
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Lillica Deathdealer wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:im not the one useing ad hominem arguments thats YOU.
you diddnt have a rebuttal, you had a non applicable compairison.
if you need a rebuttal to it then real life isnt balanced, games are, so unbalanced real life examples cant be converted into balanced game examples.
nothing in this game actually resembles real life in any meaningful way except for the paint job.
and an armchair psychologist wouldnt be on these forums, this is game design 101, im not sure where your getting psychology from in any of this.
have a real conversation about the topic rather than just waving around terms you dont understand please You want to talk about rebuttals when all you have done ever since you started talking about this issue, what 2 days ago, was repeat the same thing over and over despite my own and others post essentially saying "It does not work that way, here is why and here is what you personally can do" but in the face of all of that you time and again fall back on "But da renderenenenen" You want to talk about ad hominem arguments even though when you were called on your BS or when someone made a good point you go off on a tangent about how the other person doesnt know what they are talking about, how what they say carries no weight and they should not be listened to while offering nothing to back up your claim that they are wrong and again ignoring when it is brought up that that is what you are doing You have no legs in any argument since all you have done so far is repeat one sound bite over and over, because you accuse others of doing things you have already done yourself exposing you as a hypocrite, and when pressed on these facts you attempt to make threats hiding behind your corp tag Also hilariously ironic that you say dont use terms you dont understand but obviously fail to comprehend what an armchair psychologist is by going "herp derp dis is gaming forum" I imagine you smell like poop after taking the time to type this same BS in over and over. See? I can insult you too, isnt it nice? Isnt it productive? Arent we reaching a consensus, and trying to improve the game for both ends? I thought so, too.
Oh we were but like I said when pressed on issues he offers nothing to back it up and after a couple days of him trying to ride my nuts in any thread related to the issue Ive decided to troll and practice some insults and dissection |
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