Are you listening to yourself? And have you played LITERALLY any other game? Go pick up TF2, its free, I'll wait. Notice anything about the Heavy and Scout? SAME TURN SPEED. And yet the Heavy is never considered a PROLEETOMGZ characer because that isn't a gamebreaking factor. In fact, it's all that keeps him useable against waves of Pyros or Scouts or even Medics. Quit your whining and let the Heavy class finally get out from under the most bullshit excuse of a handicap since a man tied a hand behind his back to play CoD.

Are you listening to yourself? And have you played LITERALLY any other game? Go pick up TF2, its free, I'll wait. Notice anything about the Heavy and Scout? SAME TURN SPEED. And yet the Heavy is never considered a PROLEETOMGZ characer because that isn't a gamebreaking factor. In fact, it's all that keeps him useable against waves of Pyros or Scouts or even Medics. Quit your whining and let the Heavy class finally get out from under the most bullshit excuse of a handicap since a man tied a hand behind his back to play CoD.

Because you're really damn 'heavy'. You think sumo wrestlers can turn as fast as gymnasts?

Hate to burst your bubble, but turn limit does not have a place in a proper FPS...
It is a fun little gimmick, but aiming quality all around suffers. Sorry.

Yes but in TF2 the scout actually has the right amount of speed and agility to make up for it. Our scouts can't double jump, and we're not 100% faster than mediums.

Give us scouts as mobile as infantry in Titanfall, then we can talk.

I played a heavy for three builds and will again. One of the things i loved about switching from assault on my main to heavy on my alt was that the suit felt different. you had to maneuver differently, you had to be cautious and bide your time in situations where the assault could afford to wade in.

You may have enjoyed it but many many more hated it. Its just a bad bad mechanic. There are other ways we can make heavies feel heavy and scouts feel like, this is not one of them.

And I'm just gonna go ahead and say it, even though most people wont like it but mouse sensitivity couple with move speed was SOOOOOOOO gimped and ******. It was so bad it was laughable.

I know I know... this is a console game and all that. It will end up being a good change in the end. This is supposed to be an FPS more than its an RPG I think, at least I hope so.

I was waiting for someone to use this analogy and you're absolutely spot on.

How does a big fat guy with a massive heavy machine gun manage to turn as fast as skinny dude in lycra holding a pistol?

Total suit and weapon weight should factor into turn speed in just the same way it does movement and strafe speed.

Are you listening to yourself? And have you played LITERALLY any other game? Go pick up TF2, its free, I'll wait. Notice anything about the Heavy and Scout? SAME TURN SPEED. And yet the Heavy is never considered a PROLEETOMGZ characer because that isn't a gamebreaking factor. In fact, it's all that keeps him useable against waves of Pyros or Scouts or even Medics. Quit your whining and let the Heavy class finally get out from under the most bullshit excuse of a handicap since a man tied a hand behind his back to play CoD.

Welcome to FPS logic. It has worked in hundreds of games before, so it's going to work in DUST...

One reason why reduced turning speed is problematic is that it does not just affect turning speed, but also the speed at which you can look around, which isn't just a big disadvantage but also utterly unrealistic.

This could be solved by de-coupling looking and aiming speeds, so the reticle would drag behind while you look around quickly. I believe that some games have tried that, but I think it's going to feel pretty bad.

Ultimately it's not necessary to achieve balance for the heavy class, and it's better to go with fun gameplay than with realism.


There is one other way of course, which would be to reduce a weapon's accuracy for a short time if you turn very quickly (symbolised by enlarging the crosshair). I think that's actually the best way to introduce movement handicaps. But DUST doesn't even have this for running or jumping, so it would be odd to introduce it just for turning. I wouldn't mind if it's introduced comprehensively though, it's kind of a staple of tactical shooters and adds a good bit of consideration to the gunplay.

Fixed that for you.

Currently heavies were super underpowered. Hopefully the update makes them relevant again because I'm tired of killing heavies so easily in my logi suit.

Under powered? lolscouts lolderpships lollazor lolplasmacannon lolscoutsagain

seriously heavys are not underpowered! If you mean that HMGs don't have the range of a sniper and hence you can't kill people across the map, then screw off because I know the reason most people picked heavys in the first place was because *cue ****** voice* "they have bigs guns, and they have big suits so they can't die! And the big gun looks like it can do a lot of damage"

Most people flee to heavys so that they can feel invincible and thry believe no matter how good they do they will win. They are wrong. Anyone who says the heavy is UP is just bad with it.

Keep in mind my at (4.5 mil SP) is half invested in heavy suits and heavy weapons.

Equalised turning speeds makes no sense

There is one other way of course, which would be to reduce a weapon's accuracy for a short time if you turn very quickly (symbolised by enlarging the crosshair). I think that's actually the best way to introduce movement handicaps. But DUST doesn't even have this for running or jumping, so it would be odd to introduce it just for turning. I wouldn't mind if it's introduced comprehensively though, it's kind of a staple of tactical shooters and adds a good bit of consideration to the gunplay.

Try having at least 8mil SP invested into heavies, then you get to comment in a heavy thread.

Heavies aren't what they are supposed to be yet. 1.4 is going a long way to fix that.

I only have 4 mil sp spread between being a sentinel/commando... I only started playing like 3 months ago and even I think the heavies aren't what they should be... but I guess I'll stfu til I hit 8 mil sp.

Have to agree with the OP. This is a blow to the survival of another endangered species: The Scout. Its like saving the Elephants in Africa by killing off all the Tigers in India. Surely another method of buffing could have been applied instead.

How does a big fat guy with a massive heavy machine gun manage to turn as fast as skinny dude in lycra holding a pistol?

Total suit and weapon weight should factor into turn speed in just the same way it does movement and strafe speed.

i have 12mil into tanks and they are bigger waste then heavies so STFU. this equalised turn speed is just a bad idea.

You're in a tank though, so this shouldn't affect you at all.... soooo STFU.

Equalised turn speed is a great idea because it makes skill (albeit the twitching, reactive skill that most FPS's favor) a more important factor than equipment. We don't know yet if it will make the Heavy OP, well, it can't make us OP, we're just able to track faster which means we can do CQC more effectively. The way I see it we'll be able to engage multiple targets in CQC before getting overrun by literally any other weapon, which is what we're supposed to do. So next time you go to hack an objective make sure there are no heavies camping it.... Or just rush it with as many people you can get.

Under powered? lolscouts lolderpships lollazor lolplasmacannon lolscoutsagain

seriously heavys are not underpowered! If you mean that HMGs don't have the range of a sniper and hence you can't kill people across the map, then screw off because I know the reason most people picked heavys in the first place was because *cue ****** voice* "they have bigs guns, and they have big suits so they can't die! And the big gun looks like it can do a lot of damage"

Most people flee to heavys so that they can feel invincible and thry believe no matter how good they do they will win. They are wrong. Anyone who says the heavy is UP is just bad with it.

Keep in mind my at (4.5 mil SP) is half invested in heavy suits and heavy weapons.

How does a big fat guy with a massive heavy machine gun manage to turn as fast as skinny dude in lycra holding a pistol?

Total suit and weapon weight should factor into turn speed in just the same way it does movement and strafe speed.

Because its a ******* video game.

What's wrong with you people?