there's multiple missiles per shot, so It's fine.

Yea, we know. They are **** per missile. But, there's multiple missiles per shot, so It's fine.

Yea, we know. They are **** per missile. But, there's multiple missiles per shot, so It's fine.

Yea, we know. They are **** per missile. But, there's multiple missiles per shot, so It's fine.

Cycled missile > standard MD

Lets take the average of 2 missiles splash damage, we will use the the fragmented because it has the largest blast.
104 damage per missile. 2 missiles= 208 damage if 3 missles hit it would be 312 damage.

I'm glad someone said it. I had they same idea but I was like, 'naw, some one could not miss something so obvious, I must be missing something' LOL

The standard lv1 mass driver has blast radius of 4 meters, a splash of 116 damage and a direct damage of 242.
It has a clip of 6 and 18 shots total. It can fire one shot a second and a reload time of 4 seconds.

There are several different kinds of proto large missiles, so we will go through all of them.
XT-201s: Direct damage is 507, splash is 104 and blast radius is 3m. Fire interval is 2.5 seconds and fires 4 shots per volly.
XT-201 Cycled: Direct damage is 456.3, spash is 93.6 and blast radius is 1.8m. fire interval is 2.5 seconds and fires 4 shots per volly.
XT-201 Fragmented: Direct damage is 418, splash is 104 and blast radius is 4m. Fire interval is 2.5 seconds and fires 4 shots per volly.
XT-201 Accelerated: Direct damage is 507. splash is 104 and blast radius is 3m. Fire interval is 2.5 seconds and fires 4 shots per volly.

As you can see the standard 1v1 mass driver has more splash radius and splash damage than the proto missile launchers mounted on tanks. A significant meter on most of them, only .4m more than fragmented but more than double the range than splash radius than the cycled.

MISSILE SPREAD

Now, the large missile turrents should have an advantage of payloads per firing interval, they should but the spread of the missiles are uneven and just as in accurate, your missiles will never travel the same flight path as lightning will never strike the same spot twice. This being said, you usally hit an infantry soldier with the splash of 1-3 missiles, never 4 but every so often 1, funny how that works. Standard mass driver only has to hit with its single round.

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Lets take the average of 2 missiles splash damage, we will use the the fragmented because it has the largest blast.
104 damage per missile. 2 missiles= 208 damage if 3 missles hit it would be 312 damage.
Keep in mind, the fire interval is 2.5 seconds, so the mass driver will have fired 2 rounds and will most likely have a third in the air before the tank fires its second volly.
2 standard mass driver rounds are 232 damage and the third would bump it to 348 damage.
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Yes there are some direct hits with both weapons, but both are seldom and are devastating
The standard mass driver can quite often out DPS proto large missles, as evident here.

Now that we know the standard mass driver dwarfs proto tank missiles, lets check out the proto mass driver... the boundless.
159.7 direct damage, 76.6 splash, blast radius of 6.6m, clip 8, reload of 4s and 25% higher fire rate than the standard MDs.
yep... 6.6m splash. more than double the splash on most large missile turrents. almost 4 times the proto cycled.
Add in the MD operation skill to even use the boundless (requires LV5, 5% blast radius per level) and the splash range is 8.25 splash radius... more than double the most anti infaintry missle, the proto fragmented, and nearly triple that of the other 2. not even gona talk about cycled... kinda depressing. throw on some damage mods and some profficentcy and it is much more potent than a tank wanting to blow stuff up

Just some nit picking here: if it shoots four shots, why do you only account for 2-3?
Secondly, did you account for Mass Driver - Missile Travel times?

did you not read my statement about the missile spread? i am a caldari enforcer proto missile tank, they get bonuses to large missiles and i also dab with the standard MD. I explained how the missles dont hit while the MD does

You're missing the point. Tank = very high survailbty and infinite ammo. Mass driver users are squishy next to tanks. Fail post sir.

Yea, we know. They are **** per missile. But, there's multiple missiles per shot, so It's fine.

because it is extreemly rare for all 4 missles to hit, the only time they would is if you are about 6 to 10 meters away from your target, but even then its not guaranteed because of the unpredictable missile spread, it is never consistant. but by then you would be AV naded to death and wouldent bother shooting because your trying to get away. The travel times would favor the mass driver, its a CQC weapon and missles are long to medium range, you do not CQC with missles

Yea, I did. That's what makes them ****; the terrible ass spread. Fix the spread and hit detection, and it will be fine.

My handheld gun should be stronger than a mounted gun gtfo seriously you know ****

At what point did i say a mass driver user is harder to kill than a tank? your missing the point, fail troll sir, im comparing the damage output of a missile tanker to a MD user, not the survive-ability of a drop-suit to tank

The standard lv1 mass driver has blast radius of 4 meters, a splash of 116 damage and a direct damage of 242.
It has a clip of 6 and 18 shots total. It can fire one shot a second and a reload time of 4 seconds.

There are several different kinds of proto large missiles, so we will go through all of them.
XT-201s: Direct damage is 507, splash is 104 and blast radius is 3m. Fire interval is 2.5 seconds and fires 4 shots per volly.
XT-201 Cycled: Direct damage is 456.3, spash is 93.6 and blast radius is 1.8m. fire interval is 2.5 seconds and fires 4 shots per volly.
XT-201 Fragmented: Direct damage is 418, splash is 104 and blast radius is 4m. Fire interval is 2.5 seconds and fires 4 shots per volly.
XT-201 Accelerated: Direct damage is 507. splash is 104 and blast radius is 3m. Fire interval is 2.5 seconds and fires 4 shots per volly.

As you can see the standard 1v1 mass driver has more splash radius and splash damage than the proto missile launchers mounted on tanks. A significant meter on most of them, only .4m more than fragmented but more than double the range than splash radius than the cycled.

MISSILE SPREAD

Now, the large missile turrents should have an advantage of payloads per firing interval, they should but the spread of the missiles are uneven and just as in accurate, your missiles will never travel the same flight path as lightning will never strike the same spot twice. This being said, you usally hit an infantry soldier with the splash of 1-3 missiles, never 4 but every so often 1, funny how that works. Standard mass driver only has to hit with its single round.

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Lets take the average of 2 missiles splash damage, we will use the the fragmented because it has the largest blast.
104 damage per missile. 2 missiles= 208 damage if 3 missles hit it would be 312 damage.
Keep in mind, the fire interval is 2.5 seconds, so the mass driver will have fired 2 rounds and will most likely have a third in the air before the tank fires its second volly.
2 standard mass driver rounds are 232 damage and the third would bump it to 348 damage.
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Yes there are some direct hits with both weapons, but both are seldom and are devastating
The standard mass driver can quite often out DPS proto large missles, as evident here.

Now that we know the standard mass driver dwarfs proto tank missiles, lets check out the proto mass driver... the boundless.
159.7 direct damage, 76.6 splash, blast radius of 6.6m, clip 8, reload of 4s and 25% higher fire rate than the standard MDs.
yep... 6.6m splash. more than double the splash on most large missile turrents. almost 4 times the proto cycled.
Add in the MD operation skill to even use the boundless (requires LV5, 5% blast radius per level) and the splash range is 8.25 splash radius... more than double the most anti infaintry missle, the proto fragmented, and nearly triple that of the other 2. not even gona talk about cycled... kinda depressing. throw on some damage mods and some profficentcy and it is much more potent than a tank wanting to blow stuff up

It hasent been fixed sence early-mid chormosome (last build) and sadly because of that the missles simply do not hit, you never hit with all four and its a treat to hit with 3. There is a lot of wasted damage potential because the missiles are so inacurate and have pisspoor splash radius compared to the infaintry grenade launcher

Allow me to just nit pick some more here. I'm not against nor for your argument, just trying to clear some things up.

You are applying the variable of spread to Large Missiles, that is what you have just stated. Therefore you can not apply all 4 shots into factoring, that is what you have said.

However you are implying that the Mass Driver is always hitting its mark as well, that it is in point blank range where travel time is not even a factor.

So the Missile launcher in your scenario never hits 100% but the mass driver does? That seems biased. I understand that missiles spread without control but with the mass driver there is travel time, a shot can surely be missed.

Small turrets aren't that hard to beat.

I would rather use a standard flaylock than a proto small cycle missile- they're absolutely terrible.

It certainly can, your right. That depends on the skill of the mass driver user, as well as the missile tanker. Not sure if you ever missile tanked before but it is extreemly easy to miss all 4 shots with fragmented missiles, its just as possible for the tanker to completely miss. though the mass driver user should have an advantage in hitting infaintry considering most missiles have a range of 3ms and mass drivers have a range from 4m to 8.8 depending on what MD their using

I've used large missiles and yes they need fixing.
But thank you for admitting a little bias here.

Also, why are you comparing a non-broke weapon to a severely broke weapon?