I just want to sell all my useless gear to an npc merchant. I don't care about a player to player market. These things will never be useful to me, I just want to get a little isk out of it to support my tanking habit. Plz plz plz.

CPM has been stressing this as well to the teams responsible and they understand the important too but there is more backbone work required before we can start selling items on the market to other players. CCP hasn't forgotten but its something that is going to take more than one month to deploy and do as much work possible outside the sprint features is being done.

CPM has been stressing this as well to the teams responsible and they understand the important too but there is more backbone work required before we can start selling items on the market to other players. CCP hasn't forgotten but its something that is going to take more than one month to deploy and do as much work possible outside the sprint features is being done.

LOL you are point battling for senseless debate wins.

Now you want to sell them to NPCs, in which they will give the lowest dollar compared to the opportunity that you can sell it to a player for a higher price which is the same as the market of EVE?

Really does that make sense or are you just debating to be debating?

They are listening to the community. The community has been stating "what about the new players" or threads that say "Dust numbers are low"

So, IMO, CCP implemented some things to get people busy, to increase activity and to give new players a little more speed in the steps they take or better yet, SP incentives to get better suits which equal good times for the player

All the people that keep saying ISK is not an issue. Stop being selfish. There are plenty and I do mean plenty, of players who are not even breaking into 1 million ISK yet. Laid back corporations who don't ask for donations (now with the tax, money will generate)

So you should consider why CCP choose what they did to release for the update. It's for the new players that we have made countless threads fussing with CCP for.

Player Trading is coming...just breathe easy. Continue to collect. These things take time. Have some patience dammit.

CPM has been stressing this as well to the teams responsible and they understand the important too but there is more backbone work required before we can start selling items on the market to other players. CCP hasn't forgotten but its something that is going to take more than one month to deploy and do as much work possible outside the sprint features is being done.

But there's no manufacturing yet......

If manufacturing is Dust side, I will be very disappointed. This is the perfect opportunity to give PI meaning, and allow a meaningful Eve to Dust interaction, until they get Sov. worked out for 0.0

Putting in a simple X is worth Y ISK when sold is alot easier than creating an entire market infrastructure. He's asking for a quick tide over until they get around to the full market, and the NPCs need to be there anyway to set the low bar on costs.

To Aeon, why you never respond to PSN messages :c

CPM has been stressing this as well to the teams responsible and they understand the important too but there is more backbone work required before we can start selling items on the market to other players. CCP hasn't forgotten but its something that is going to take more than one month to deploy and do as much work possible outside the sprint features is being done.

There are plenty and I do mean plenty, of players who are not even breaking into 1 million ISK yet.

I'd be very interested to hear what kind of "backbone work" needs to be done. They already have an item database. They already have an NPC seeded market. They just need to allow us to set up buy and sell orders, and wallah! Player driven market. Obviously, I'm not a programmer, but common. It's got to be as easy as putting bread in a toaster to get toast. Right?

Can we just sell it back to NPC market at a slight loss? Seems like liquidation would be easier to impliment...



How the... ... I don't even...

?!WHAT?!

1 mil ISK?! That's like an hour of gameplay in militia gear. GTFO with that nonsense... those plenty of people are probably broke IRL too. lol

I had this long drawn out wall of text explaining the reasoning but I decided to break it down in key points:

2.) Player Trading is good for things like Officer/Aurum gear, but bad for everything else. Trying to find another player with gear that you use but he himself does not use is a bit tricky.

3.) We already have ISK trading and being as it's the more valuable commodity......

4.) ....selling gear is a preferable alternative to trading it.

There's nothing more meaningful than an active economy but if you can't have that than the next best thing is a way to sell off all the gear you're NOT using and give the ISK you gained to another player who can use it to freely buy fittings instead of having to get bits of gear from everyone in his corporation.

5.) ISK isn't an issue with PC capable corporations who are already frolicking in the piles of wealth that keeps climbing. Faction Warfare payouts are about to hit an all time high with future changes. Anyone can just run Militia Gear/BPOs and make uber bank.

So, if ISK isn't an issue and player trading is more of a burden when compared to just... selling the gear and trading the ISK... Why is this simple implementation not in game yet? Why wait for the next release? There's a dozen ways to obtain gear but no way of getting rid of it.

Well selling items in Dust has its complications. first being where is your 'inventory' in the universe and the sorts. For as far as the game universe is concerned we're middle of nowhere which also just happens to not have an 'auction house.'

So improving the backbone may include adding our inventories into the space, and getting that space beefed up to handle us (it should considering jita sees a billion+ items a day shifted.) Then comes the question of what to do with middle of nowhere?

Do we make it a real space that magically interact with all Dust 514 related stations or what, making our inventories exist in a weird quasi-quantum entangled state in the universe?
Or we do it like eve that everything you sell is from the station you're stationed in?
Questions that need answering, considerations, weighing, and support and the sorts.

LOL you are point battling for senseless debate wins.

Now you want to sell them to NPCs, in which they will give the lowest dollar compared to the opportunity that you can sell it to a player for a higher price which is the same as the market of EVE?

Really does that make sense or are you just debating to be debating?

Why not allow us to move from station to station by having an Eve player dock at the station, open his ship hanger to a dust merc so he can walk on in...uhm, Walking on Stations 2.0. Then load his inventory, trade items and contract shipments of items and personnel to the desired station for sale or just a vacation from the station they are in. To go shopping in Jita or Rens, or Dodixie or even Hek or Amarr or maybe to visit the corporate Hanger to grab a tank or two for the next battle.

I've hauled scientists and exotic dancers as well as Oura Masadi to countless stations along with ammo, and modules and trade items. My slaver hounds have yet to attack a single one of my passengers.
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One Universe//One War//One Server//One Shard not two or twenty.

They're already working on getting rid of selling to npcs already in Dust.

Well selling items in Dust has its complications. first being where is your 'inventory' in the universe and the sorts. For as far as the game universe is concerned we're middle of nowhere which also just happens to not have an 'auction house.'

So improving the backbone may include adding our inventories into the space, and getting that space beefed up to handle us (it should considering jita sees a billion+ items a day shifted.) Then comes the question of what to do with middle of nowhere?

Do we make it a real space that magically interact with all Dust 514 related stations or what, making our inventories exist in a weird quasi-quantum entangled state in the universe?
Or we do it like eve that everything you sell is from the station you're stationed in?
Questions that need answering, considerations, weighing, and support and the sorts.

I just want the EvE contracts system in Dust. No "market", just a list of buy/sell contracts.

Can we just sell it back to NPC market at a slight loss? Seems like liquidation would be easier to impliment...



How the... ... I don't even...

?!WHAT?!

1 mil ISK?! That's like an hour of gameplay in militia gear. GTFO with that nonsense... those plenty of people are probably broke IRL too. lol

LOL you are point battling for senseless debate wins.

Now you want to sell them to NPCs, in which they will give the lowest dollar compared to the opportunity that you can sell it to a player for a higher price which is the same as the market of EVE?

Really does that make sense or are you just debating to be debating?

All the stuff we use is bpc unless we buy the bpo. Doesn't that mean that our inventory is really a bunch of materials that are manufactured into items as needed? It is an odd bit of logic to work out.

I say have every item have a standard material chart and a specialized material chart. The lower the gear the lower number of specialized parts needed. All of the materials would be on board the MCC or war barge and when a fit is selected the item is produced and transported to the battle.

I would love to see mining teams and convoy details. People say no one wants those things but there are lots of people in EVE who only mine, haul, produce and sell. If CCP gives us the tools we'll will use them and/or break them. I came here wanting a fps that has the openness of EVE but it is just another shooter. :(