DUST Search - Hmg is getting a buff in 1.4

D legendary hero wrote:

Breakin Stuff wrote:

RA Drahcir wrote:

Buff? No, it is a nerf. Missing a target due to recoil is a skill issue; having to stop sending rounds down range because of overheating is a broken weapon issue.

As the God of Heavies, and Lord of all things fat, I banish thee, false donut-chaser from our midst.

Thou naysaying hath offended me, and the company thou keepest maketh my butt drip. Thou doth makest me feel unclean.

On a more serious note:

WAAAAH WAAAH *butthurt*

Get the hell over it. Better accuracy on the HMG means my time to kill just dropped on those caldari sissies and their resistance to kinetic damage. In fact, this one's a "must test" add.

More accuracy to the HMG? Yes please! More reason to not run screaming into crowds squealing like a moron crying about killstreaks? Absolutely.

I was on the fence but the whining has me on the 1.4 heat nerf! YAY!

Stupid idiots don't even test weapon efficiency before they cry about how CCP pooped in their cheerios.

Do us all a favor and disable your keyboard.

but the recoil doesnt effect accuracy the spread does.
even if your right on target the crazy spread will make most of your shots miss. in end you will never be able to take advantage of your high dps because many of those rounds are not actually hitting target.

recoil is perfectly managable in your optimal and effective ranges. at your max range you probably shouldnt be engaging enemies anyway unless you have a clear advantage.

recoil only becomes noticeable after 200+ rounds fired. but with this nerf, you will have over heated before the recoil becomes a problem....

please CCP reduce spread instead. i like my enemies dead.

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Kekklian Noobatronic Goonfeet Top Men. 307	Posted - 2013.08.21 07:21:00 - [61] - Quote Been waiting for some HMG love for a loooong time.. I am a little concerned about the overheat, as I use the Burst and can overheat that sucker no problem.. But over all, that's some pretty welcome news. Woo!
RA Drahcir Psygod9 116	Posted - 2013.08.21 07:24:00 - [62] - Quote Buff? No, it is a nerf. Missing a target due to recoil is a skill issue; having to stop sending rounds down range because of overheating is a broken weapon issue.
Vitharr Foebane Blood Money Mercenaries 27	Posted - 2013.08.21 07:39:00 - [63] - Quote RA Drahcir wrote: Buff? No, it is a nerf. Missing a target due to recoil is a skill issue; having to stop sending rounds down range because of overheating is a broken weapon issue. less recoil plus better hit detection means less bullets required to kill something. Less bullets means less heat build up. Unless you are trying to kill the entire red team in one clip, heat shouldn't be an issue. I believe this to a buff and a rather welcome one at that.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Top Men. 1178	Posted - 2013.08.21 07:47:00 - [64] - Quote RA Drahcir wrote: Buff? No, it is a nerf. Missing a target due to recoil is a skill issue; having to stop sending rounds down range because of overheating is a broken weapon issue. As the God of Heavies, and Lord of all things fat, I banish thee, false donut-chaser from our midst. Thou naysaying hath offended me, and the company thou keepest maketh my butt drip. Thou doth makest me feel unclean. On a more serious note: WAAAAH WAAAH butthurt Get the hell over it. Better accuracy on the HMG means my time to kill just dropped on those caldari sissies and their resistance to kinetic damage. In fact, this one's a "must test" add. More accuracy to the HMG? Yes please! More reason to not run screaming into crowds squealing like a moron crying about killstreaks? Absolutely. I was on the fence but the whining has me on the 1.4 heat nerf! YAY! Stupid idiots don't even test weapon efficiency before they cry about how CCP pooped in their cheerios. Do us all a favor and disable your keyboard.
RA Drahcir Psygod9 117	Posted - 2013.08.21 07:52:00 - [65] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: RA Drahcir wrote: Buff? No, it is a nerf. Missing a target due to recoil is a skill issue; having to stop sending rounds down range because of overheating is a broken weapon issue. As the God of Heavies, and Lord of all things fat, I banish thee, false donut-chaser from our midst. Thou naysaying hath offended me, and the company thou keepest maketh my butt drip. Thou doth makest me feel unclean. On a more serious note: WAAAAH WAAAH butthurt Get the hell over it. Better accuracy on the HMG means my time to kill just dropped on those caldari sissies and their resistance to kinetic damage. In fact, this one's a "must test" add. More accuracy to the HMG? Yes please! More reason to not run screaming into crowds squealing like a moron crying about killstreaks? Absolutely. I was on the fence but the whining has me on the 1.4 heat nerf! YAY! Stupid idiots don't even test weapon efficiency before they cry about how CCP pooped in their cheerios. Do us all a favor and disable your keyboard. It is a win/win situation for me. If it turns to ****, I am right. If not, then good.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Top Men. 1178	Posted - 2013.08.21 07:54:00 - [66] - Quote when did you ever get this delusion that being right on an internet forum MATTERS?
RA Drahcir Psygod9 117	Posted - 2013.08.21 07:56:00 - [67] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: when did you ever get this delusion that being right on an internet forum MATTERS? Never.
RA Drahcir Psygod9 117	Posted - 2013.08.21 08:01:00 - [68] - Quote Brainstorming problems with the HMG...heat buildup and recoil are not of any issue. Why reinvent the wheel? If any changes are to made with the HMG it should be hit detection with the cone of fire. Why nerf heat buildup and buff something that is already fine?
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Top Men. 1178	Posted - 2013.08.21 08:08:00 - [69] - Quote RA Drahcir wrote: Why nerf heat buildup and buff something that is already fine? because other people will cry more when they encounter us. the hit detection and cone of fire thing's already in the works. But I like the change because I'm anticipating sparking a river of OMG HEAVIES ARE OP! QQ threads by myself.
Chibi Andy Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 439	Posted - 2013.08.21 08:22:00 - [70] - Quote better accuracy, slightly more heat build up........ now when are we getting our new heavy suits?

Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Top Men. 1178	Posted - 2013.08.21 08:45:00 - [71] - Quote Chibi Andy wrote: better accuracy, slightly more heat build up........ now when are we getting our new heavy suits? there are no alternative heavy suits EVERGäó
The Robot Devil Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 854	Posted - 2013.08.21 08:52:00 - [72] - Quote Good to see the fat guys get some love. I hope it helps and makes them a more viable option. I would like to see a time where corners are scary because a HMG might be on the other side.
Another Heavy SOB Pure Innocence. EoN. 532	Posted - 2013.08.21 09:07:00 - [73] - Quote I like the change, although the basic burst variant will become practically useless due to overheat in 2 bursts. Same as the MLR as it has the same heat build up as basic, operation skill was the only thing making it useful. Six Kin should still be good with careful heat management. As mentioned by a few other heavies I never really had an issue controlling recoil, or heat for that matter. Should be interesting to see how it works out.
Purona The Vanguardians 43	Posted - 2013.08.21 11:18:00 - [74] - Quote how to control recoil stop firing for 1 second when things start to get out of hand problem solved. If the only thing they are doing is giving recoil reduction then i am going to be very disappointed. Mostly because as of right now the HMG is just a worse assault rifle in every way but ammo count
Jake Bloodworth DUST University Ivy League 80	Posted - 2013.08.21 14:49:00 - [75] - Quote I like this change. I actually had forgotten there was a heat mechanic until a couple days ago when I was trying to kill a fleeing tank with my HMG. The tank was a breath from being in flames and got stuck on terrain so I opened up on it. First time my boundless has EVER overheated. Maybe I'm doing it wrong though. I did get the tank. :-) I think the heat thing was a semi-useful skill. The recoil reduction is going to be a semi-useful skill as well. Overall, depending on the rest of 1.4, we may be seeing a huge buff here. It seems to be a win/win situation for heavies. We are either buffed... or not nerfed.
Mamertine Son R.E.B.E.L.S 195	Posted - 2013.08.21 15:09:00 - [76] - Quote I can go head to head with HMG users standing a couple meters away with my scrambler... now I'm going to have to learn to keep ma distance especially with the upcoming armor changes... sigh
FATPrincess - XOXO Shining Flame Amarr Empire 440	Posted - 2013.08.21 15:28:00 - [77] - Quote Having less recoil bonus for weapon that's meant for CQC doesn't seem like a buff to me. The gun starts to kick very bad at 1/4 clip, like @ 100 bullets left, so the bonus won't be significant. I can see the gun overheating frequently though, so in this case it's more like a nerf.... lol. -XOXO
RA Drahcir Psygod9 117	Posted - 2013.08.21 18:33:00 - [78] - Quote Right now we are able to take out blueprint LAVs with one stream of fire if they miss their first attempt of running us over. Now with the overheating variable, we are going to get ran over more often. No more "toe-to-toe with vehicles" as advertised. If it turns out to be a nerf, which it seems to be, I am going to join in on the rooftops with a FG.
D3LTA Blitzkrieg II 0uter.Heaven 24	Posted - 2013.08.21 18:35:00 - [79] - Quote CCP Wolfman wrote: Confirmed :-) put the damn oatch notes up *patch
Cosgar ParagonX 4479	Posted - 2013.08.21 18:37:00 - [80] - Quote I guess this means I won't be able to use this any more when talking about the HMG needing a buff.

Torr Wrath Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 748	Posted - 2013.08.21 18:48:00 - [81] - Quote This is sadly actually probably going to be a nerf to those of us who spent time to master the HMG.
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 673	Posted - 2013.08.21 18:52:00 - [82] - Quote Master Jaraiya wrote: I'm on the fence on this one. I currently have no problem with heat build up, but sometimes the muzzle rise robs me of kills outside of optimal range. If the HMG's hit detection is fixed in 1.4 heat build up should not be an issue at all. Currently, you have to hold the trigger longer because the hit detection doesn't work quite right, causing heat to build up quite a bit faster. I'm leaning toward calling this a buff. We will wait to see when 1.4 goes live. spread is still the biggest issue. that and the fact that your bullets actually do not register until the center dot in the reticule cone is on target.
RA Drahcir Psygod9 122	Posted - 2013.08.21 18:55:00 - [83] - Quote As of now we can shoot 374 rounds out of the boundless before overheating...if X(1.15)=374, then without the overheating reduction we should be able to shoot 325 rounds. Makes sense? Maybe this won't be too much of a problem. But recoil? What recoil?
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 673	Posted - 2013.08.21 18:57:00 - [84] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: RA Drahcir wrote: Buff? No, it is a nerf. Missing a target due to recoil is a skill issue; having to stop sending rounds down range because of overheating is a broken weapon issue. As the God of Heavies, and Lord of all things fat, I banish thee, false donut-chaser from our midst. Thou naysaying hath offended me, and the company thou keepest maketh my butt drip. Thou doth makest me feel unclean. On a more serious note: WAAAAH WAAAH butthurt Get the hell over it. Better accuracy on the HMG means my time to kill just dropped on those caldari sissies and their resistance to kinetic damage. In fact, this one's a "must test" add. More accuracy to the HMG? Yes please! More reason to not run screaming into crowds squealing like a moron crying about killstreaks? Absolutely. I was on the fence but the whining has me on the 1.4 heat nerf! YAY! Stupid idiots don't even test weapon efficiency before they cry about how CCP pooped in their cheerios. Do us all a favor and disable your keyboard. but the recoil doesnt effect accuracy the spread does. even if your right on target the crazy spread will make most of your shots miss. in end you will never be able to take advantage of your high dps because many of those rounds are not actually hitting target. recoil is perfectly managable in your optimal and effective ranges. at your max range you probably shouldnt be engaging enemies anyway unless you have a clear advantage. recoil only becomes noticeable after 200+ rounds fired. but with this nerf, you will have over heated before the recoil becomes a problem.... please CCP reduce spread instead. i like my enemies dead.
Torr Wrath Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 748	Posted - 2013.08.21 18:59:00 - [85] - Quote For those who think this is a nerf not a buff, please post here and let CCP know.
echo47 Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 42	Posted - 2013.08.21 19:00:00 - [86] - Quote 5% per level? This weapon will have less kick than my TAC AR. I sure hope this change has been tested thoroughly.
RA Drahcir Psygod9 123	Posted - 2013.08.21 19:10:00 - [87] - Quote echo47 wrote: 5% per level? This weapon will have less kick than my TAC AR. I sure hope this change has been tested thoroughly. The recoil already is negligible. Honestly, if you cannot handle it, just go to the nearest walmart and buy yourself a can of M-A-N. I will probably see you there because I am on my way to stock up on some coolant.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 122	Posted - 2013.08.21 19:55:00 - [88] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: RA Drahcir wrote: Buff? No, it is a nerf. Missing a target due to recoil is a skill issue; having to stop sending rounds down range because of overheating is a broken weapon issue. As the God of Heavies, and Lord of all things fat, I banish thee, false donut-chaser from our midst. Thou naysaying hath offended me, and the company thou keepest maketh my butt drip. Thou doth makest me feel unclean. On a more serious note: WAAAAH WAAAH butthurt Get the hell over it. Better accuracy on the HMG means my time to kill just dropped on those caldari sissies and their resistance to kinetic damage. In fact, this one's a "must test" add. More accuracy to the HMG? Yes please! More reason to not run screaming into crowds squealing like a moron crying about killstreaks? Absolutely. I was on the fence but the whining has me on the 1.4 heat nerf! YAY! Stupid idiots don't even test weapon efficiency before they cry about how CCP pooped in their cheerios. Do us all a favor and disable your keyboard. but the recoil doesnt effect accuracy the spread does. even if your right on target the crazy spread will make most of your shots miss. in end you will never be able to take advantage of your high dps because many of those rounds are not actually hitting target. recoil is perfectly managable in your optimal and effective ranges. at your max range you probably shouldnt be engaging enemies anyway unless you have a clear advantage. recoil only becomes noticeable after 200+ rounds fired. but with this nerf, you will have over heated before the recoil becomes a problem.... please CCP reduce spread instead. i like my enemies dead. This, if they have to remove the heat build up skill then we should get it replaced by a reduced spread skill
I-Shayz-I Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 665	Posted - 2013.08.21 19:59:00 - [89] - Quote Hopefully they fixed the hit detection problem that made it so you don't actually do damage unless the dot in the center of the reticule is red.
FATPrincess - XOXO Shining Flame Amarr Empire 445	Posted - 2013.08.21 20:04:00 - [90] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: RA Drahcir wrote: Buff? No, it is a nerf. Missing a target due to recoil is a skill issue; having to stop sending rounds down range because of overheating is a broken weapon issue. As the God of Heavies, and Lord of all things fat, I banish thee, false donut-chaser from our midst. Thou naysaying hath offended me, and the company thou keepest maketh my butt drip. Thou doth makest me feel unclean. On a more serious note: WAAAAH WAAAH butthurt Get the hell over it. Better accuracy on the HMG means my time to kill just dropped on those caldari sissies and their resistance to kinetic damage. In fact, this one's a "must test" add. More accuracy to the HMG? Yes please! More reason to not run screaming into crowds squealing like a moron crying about killstreaks? Absolutely. I was on the fence but the whining has me on the 1.4 heat nerf! YAY! Stupid idiots don't even test weapon efficiency before they cry about how CCP pooped in their cheerios. Do us all a favor and disable your keyboard. but the recoil doesnt effect accuracy the spread does. even if your right on target the crazy spread will make most of your shots miss. in end you will never be able to take advantage of your high dps because many of those rounds are not actually hitting target. recoil is perfectly managable in your optimal and effective ranges. at your max range you probably shouldnt be engaging enemies anyway unless you have a clear advantage. recoil only becomes noticeable after 200+ rounds fired. but with this nerf, you will have over heated before the recoil becomes a problem.... please CCP reduce spread instead. i like my enemies dead. With how bad hit detection is on the HMG, won't you prefer that the accuracy cone was larger? So that more of your shots can hit the crazy fast strafing target...I mean pray and spray > skill in this game. -XOXO



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